Ripwolf
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Native Instument User Libraries
I purchased Komplete 10 Ultimate earlier this year and have been learning my way around the content. Would love to hear about what user content from the NI site people have found useful to them and why. I write in a wide variety of styles so nothing is really out of bounds. Thank you all in advance.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 02:30:22
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☄ Helpfulby terrybritton 2016/12/03 09:08:10
I don't think it's in the User Library but Boscomac has some absolutely superb Donationware (i.e. donate if you like) ensembles for Reaktor. There's synths, modeled instruments, drum machines and effects. They really are a top notch labor of love kind of deal and I use them all the time to the point where I did actually donate to him. Can't recommend these highly enough. http://boscomac.free.fr/ To be honest I haven't checked out the User Libraries for anything except Reaktor. There's a ton of great stuff for Reaktor though, I have loads of it installed but I haven't found a use for all of it. What I love about the Reaktor User Library is that you get some really original, quirky sounding effects and instruments. One of my favorite soft synths ever is Eccentrix, FM wave mangling heaven. Great once you get used to how it works. There's loads of good drum machines and sequencers too. I quite like The Silverbird Live. Other good synths and instruments I've found are Polaris, Acoustring and Serenade (an amazing modeled violin). There are many others which I don't at this time recall 
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 07:08:08
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Thank you for the suggestions sharke. Much appreciated!
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 07:52:08
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I'll second the Boscomac suggestion. Amazing stuff, really.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 07:52:09
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I'll second the Boscomac suggestion. Amazing stuff, really.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2015/11/01 09:06:04
Most of the good stuff isn't in the NI User Library, it's scattered all over the web. Searching for it is half the fun. Here are couple lists of sample freebies: http://www.theflipsideforum.com/index.php?topic=11431.0http://earmonk.com/free-sample-libraries/ Here's a KVR sticky that's been running for about 8 years and though disorganized it touches on just about every free sample library: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=188856 A good source for small, very inexpensive sample libraries is Sampleism. Some commercial vendors that offer high quality stuff for < $50: Indiginus, Wavesfactory, Bolder Sounds, Lyrical Distortion, Hollow Sun, Embertone, and lots more I can't think of off the top o' my head. Nearly all sample vendors offer freebies to generate traffic to their site and demo versions to entice you to purchase. Impact Soundworks' Trial Pack is one example. A new one I've just picked up from Cinematique is a free demo version of their very cool Ensembila cinematic sequencer. Bargains abound, even at some of the higher-priced vendors' sites. SampleLogic sells a collection of their products for $25 called the TryPack that's recommended. Indiginus has some libraries for $5, that are prototypes for what later became full products but are useable as-is. SoundIron has their Iron Pack series that sell for 5 bucks or less, or all 12 of them for $49. If you're into pianos, Sampletekk is the place to start for low-priced pianos (sales are frequent). For cheap drums, there's Drumwerks and Analogue Drums (grab the freebie Big Mono). For acoustic guitars, see Indiginus first. Of course, this is all about cheap and free stuff. Once you're ready to spend some dough, the sky's the limit. Orange Tree Samples, SampleLogic, Spitfire Audio, Kirk Hunter, VSL, get ready to mortgage your house and sell your kids.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 08:55:05
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 09:03:28
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I have downloaded a couple of hundred Reaktor ensembles from the NI Reaktor user library, and about half of those I ended up keeping. Some of those are excellent, and some not so much.
I relied on the rating values other users gave the synths I was thinking of downloading, and I think that helped me skip some dogs.
I checked out the other libraries and there are not really any sizable numbers of things like Kontakt libraries or Massive or the other stuff to download. As was noted above, there are lots of freebies and low-cost libraries for Kontakt out on the web, and I have also found TONS of other freebies, like for FM8 I found every single Yamaha DX* anything factory patches out there in a single collection, and FM8 can directly read the DX* sysex format and play those sounds, so I have tens of thousands of DX* patches that sound FABULOUS in FM8.
If you want those, send me a private message and I would be happy to send them as a series of 8 emails with an attached zip folder per email to give you the collection.
I also have several REALLY nice Kontakt libraries that were completely free, for various instruments, and it IS fun to hunt on the web for those.
There is an expansion pack available through the Cakewalk store for something like $20 (I think) that would also give you every single EMU Proteus sound released all in one collection (might be $49). I used to have 3 Proteus rack modules back before computers, and loved those sounds. They offer it for Dim Pro, BUT that same collection is available in Kontakt format too.
One of the BEST Kontakt libraries I got off the web was a MASSIVE percussion library, which was free, once I made a $10 donation for something or another. It is a HUGE library with tons of high-quality samples. They even released a free update for it about 6-8 months later.
SOOOO - shoot me a PM with a real email address, and I can send you some goodies (along with those FM8 DX* banks). I will even throw in a couple of surprise Reaktor ensembles I had built for a couple of specialty sounds I wanted. They are REMARKABLE.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 09:15:01
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After watching some demos of the Wavelore(?) pedal steel using Kontakt, I started thinking I would have to set money aside and get the full Kontakt. So I'll wait for a sale and maybe get Komplete (not the Ultimate) in the deal, though it sounds like you guys actually prefer the free libraries, which is amazing.
Anywhere in particular that Kontakt deals happen?
Thanks
Michael
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 09:34:50
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You can wait for the yearly Summer of Sound or go for the regular upgrade from a Kontakt approved library, Michael.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 09:50:45
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Thanks Fleer Does that mean I can upgrade from my NI The Giant? or ???
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 10:43:10
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After watching some demos of the Wavelore(?) pedal steel using Kontakt, I started thinking I would have to set money aside and get the full Kontakt. So I'll wait for a sale and maybe get Komplete (not the Ultimate) in the deal, though it sounds like you guys actually prefer the free libraries, which is amazing.
Anywhere in particular that Kontakt deals happen?
Thanks
Michael
There is usually a Black Friday opportunity also...
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 12:15:26
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Thanks! That's not too far off.... summer is! LOL
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 14:32:22
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There are quite a few GREAT sounds that come with Kontakt 5, the original question was asking about user libraries, so that is what responding posts had focused on. :)
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 14:49:22
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NI will have some things at half off around thanksgiving. Can't always tell exactly what will be half off but for sure a bunch of things will be.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 15:58:55
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Right Bob, I caught that, but guess I focused more on Bit's opener,
"Most of the good stuff isn't in the NI User Library, it's scattered all over the web. Searching for it is half the fun."
I figure there must be all kinds of great stuff in Komplete or they wouldn't sell so many! LOL The sheer number of third party developers is amazing. I should've jumped during the half price sale(?) when it went by.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/01 23:41:57
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☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2015/11/02 08:43:31
pentimentosound
Thanks Fleer Does that mean I can upgrade from my NI The Giant? or ???
Michael
Nope, it'll have to be a third party Kontakt Player library. That'll get you a $249 crossgrade price for Kontakt instead of $399. And these prices can get sliced in half during sales, so you'd pay $125 for Kontakt.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 00:05:41
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pentimentosound
...Anywhere in particular that Kontakt deals happen?...
Thanks
Michael
The last 2 Decembers, they had 50% sale on a number of things. For me, I was able to get the Kontakt 4 to 5 upgrade for just $49, plus a couple of other things for the same price. It was all December long - last 2 years - so just after Black Friday, if not then. Be sure to check any cross-grade prices.
post edited by jimusic - 2015/11/02 00:17:11
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 00:07:22
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http://modularsamples.com/ The above has got HUGE Kontakt-format (and other format) sample collections you can download for various synths. INCREDIBLE - Like maybe 20 GB+ of free stuff. Bob Bone
post edited by robert_e_bone - 2015/11/02 00:18:23
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 00:36:24
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Hey thanks Bob.
I have an older, non-playable DW8000 and a working rack mount EX8000 brother to it, but I never seem to get to it much.
So this is cool to have it for Kontakt as well.
Hopefully I'll make use of it now.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 01:36:39
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Some great suggestions. Thank you all! Half the fun is searching the net and coming upon a gem or two. But it never hurts to get some ideas from people in the know. Many thanks! Thanks bitflipper and Robert. Good thing I'm well stocked up on coffee! I'll need it between your links and Roberts! Not leaving anyone out. I truly appreciate all the info from everyone.
post edited by Ripwolf - 2015/11/02 02:00:33
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 08:35:20
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robert_e_bone
http://modularsamples.com/
The above has got HUGE Kontakt-format (and other format) sample collections you can download for various synths. INCREDIBLE - Like maybe 20 GB+ of free stuff.
Bob Bone
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 08:38:59
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Yes yes! Thanks to all.
So, any third party library to crossgrade? Could you name one for reference? I've yet to do any cross-grade stuff.
I might already have something to "trade"!
I want to check into this and be ready for the sales/deals. That makes it much more reasonable! I already feel the Holiday shopping spirit! LOL
Michael
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 11:42:38
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☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2015/11/02 14:19:21
I cant' find the list anymore...but I know Slate Drums EX was one of the cheapest
of the products to qualify for the Kontakt Crossgrade price...
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 13:43:57
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Also, any of the SoundIron Kontakt Player libraries at www.soundiron.com. Edith says: link not copying.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 14:16:45
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
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Thanks Fleer and Larry. As I read the NI page it only lists their own products for cross-grading and that isn't what I thought cross grade meant! I'll check out Soundiron (I've listened to some demos of their stuff) and the SS EX. I've got some funds stashed for other studio items, but plan to sneak Kontakt or Komplete 10 in there. It seems like getting Komplete 10 is the way better deal, even if I have to load/install it all! LOL I got the VST Buzz newsletter with the Aria Sounds London Symphonic Strings and have been feeling like I'll have to go the Kontakt route. Some of the stuff is superb and that pedal steel from Wavelore was only $149 on sale. That is a tenth of what good steel would cost me, and hold me till I buy one. Michael PS I still haven't found anywhere that says what the third party plugs you can use for cross grading are, nor where that is on the NI site.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 17:11:08
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From the NI site: It's not possible to crossgrade from the free KONTAKT PLAYER or any KONTAKT PLAYER-based instruments available directly from the NI Online Shop — including instruments produced in partnership with other companies. Kinda sounds like crossgrades are only for existing customers. If I'm reading that right, that's an odd definition for "crossgrade".
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 17:19:23
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Yeah, confused me too. This is from the Komplete 10 "Buy It" page where you can choose the cross grade version. "This crossgrade only works for users of KOMPLETE KONTROL S25-88, MASCHINE 2 software (included with MASCHINE STUDIO, and new purchases of MASCHINE and MASCHINE MIKRO), KONTAKT 1-5, REAKTOR 2-5, GUITAR RIG KONTROL 1-5 (but not LE, GO, XE, SESSION or other versions of GUITAR RIG)." None of which I own and so far no other options appear on the NI site, so I'm wondering where and how the third party cross grades are listed. I just saw that I can cross grade from GPO to Kontakt 5 for $249 reg on the Kontakt page. Is that all I have to do to qualify for it? Anyone? Michael Edit**** I would prefer Komplete over just Kontakt.
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Re: Native Instument User Libraries
2015/11/02 19:25:44
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Komplete would be the way to go, Michael, definitely at half-price crossgrade.
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