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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/02 02:37:16 (permalink)
Sounds really good to me Herb.
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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/02 09:26:53 (permalink)
Markno, agape, wildman, guitartrek, Bapu... thanks.

I was listening to this on the way home last night and I totally agree with Agape that we need something in the first chorus to "raise the energy level" and I was thinking the B3 would fit the bill nicely without being too obvious. Then I got home and peeked in on this thread and saw the comment.... Good observation.

That's what I like about this forum.... good ears, and good ideas. 

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/02 10:04:20 (permalink)
Newer version is a vast improvement Herb. The new singer has a much better grasp of how to phrase tricky words to make them scan without putting an odd emphasis on them. The difference between 'secrets' and 'directions' in the two versions for example.

Aside from that I think the whole thing sits better in the lower key, and the production is very smooth. Good work.

 
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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/02 20:13:47 (permalink)
Thanks James...I agree.

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/02 22:39:39 (permalink)
Hey Herb
Excellent piece!  The new mix has a nice clean edge and I'm another vote for liking the lower key.  Your new singer has good control over her voice but could use a little more dynamics.  Some added harmonies would be nice.
I know your not really asking for help on the mix but the arrangement IMO gets a little busy at times.  It sounds like most of those crowded tracks are the selection/style of Band In A Box.  Herb, I'm not sure what direction your shooting for on this piece.  To my ears the playing/style and instrument selection really gives this a true older country feel.  If so then BRAVO!  If your shooting for the modern country vibe I'm not getting that from this arrangement.  All in all this is a very well written piece of music/mix.  KUDOS!

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/03 00:38:44 (permalink)
Hey Herb, great work.  If your looking for opinions, I agree with whats posted above:

1)  Vocals maybe a smidgen too loud (or maybe partly the reverb choice?)
2)  The singer is real good, but she doesn't sound completely comfortable with the lines.  A little more practice with it and I think she can make it even better
3)  It is screaming for vocal harmonies.

The arrangement and mix sound great, just the minor vocal level and/or reverb choice.

Great job, please post a final version so we can all compare


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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/03 08:01:08 (permalink)
Kev & Mike.... yup... we're working on it slowly but surely.

the mix is a rough mix.... things will be changed and edited...levels up, others down, some instruments will be edited or replaced...... but it is probably close to where it will end up.

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/06 01:37:24 (permalink)
Herb, The only crit I have is the singer is struggling a bit in the lower registers, but she is wonderful in the mids (she never went too high so I cannot judge that). Super strong mids, but slightly flat lows. Something seemed missing... but I am not sure what... maybe a bit of vocal layering.

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/06 15:01:56 (permalink)
Shad: We are planning some layering and harmonies on the choruses at the very least.  

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/06 18:06:15 (permalink)
A good song well played.
The Male harmony does not fit for me. Too wide a tonal separation?
I don't really know what I'm talking about but I imagined the song as a backer sung by a typical current country star and it worked for me so that's how I got to thinking it's about the vox (Other than some minor instrument blend tweaks)
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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/06 18:48:28 (permalink)
M-Glenn, I had considered a male vocal track to trade off lines with the female, however, the singer I asked has not replied to me yet..... As far as the tonal difference goes.... it all depends on a few things...

One is how it is mixed, and another is if the song is in the vocal range of the singer in question. Another factor is chemistry.... but without the 2 singers in the studio at the same time the chemistry part is a bit harder to get on tape..... 

so with a "no reply" from the guy I asked....( a local guy with the goal of Nashville) I will probably just stick with the female and use layering and harmony to complete the project.....

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/07 20:04:45 (permalink)
Uggh how the heck did I miss this?! So sorry Herb. Really love this. I like both versions, but my heart belongs to the new version.

2 minor crits: I love the harmonies you had in the first one. Woud like to hear them in the new version as it sounds like it can really use them to push things to the next level on the chorus in my opinion.

The second (new mix) is just a tad bright to my ears. It sounds fantastic though....but if I had to, I'd just reach for a treble knob in my car or a high end frequency on an eq and drop it. I can't even tell you what freq it is....that's how subtle it is. But it's just a bit bright for me here. Still totally killer though...awesome everything!

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/07 20:14:12 (permalink)
This is much better, but I want to see pictures.

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/09 20:15:52 (permalink)
Danny & Robby:   Sorry it took so long to reply.... I've been out of town hunting for a few days and visiting with family in another state....

The mix is a preliminary with more work to do.... yes we are planning a redo of the vox and adding layers and harmony especially in the chorus...  Pictures....we'll see....perhaps in the final edition thread...

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/11 01:18:52 (permalink)
Without reading other opinions:

I feel she and the song are both top notch pop: A+++++++ and it would be difficult to make this more spectacular for pop audiences who'd like to relax at work or play. 


I wish all country music were at least this sweet and fun.

The vox is pop but not my cup.

She is stereotypical country pop (lyrics and message, too), blending into the status quo ... so to speak ... There seems no profound hook, no quirkiness, no originality, no loud noise, no dire conviction, no urgent message.  "Life is crazy" while pro and pop, doesn't win my broken heart.

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/11 04:10:20 (permalink)
Hi, 
now I'm no expert but, surely there most definitely is a hook in there, and it is the line "Everytime we come and go baby"
Is it not?

Maybe it just needs the aforementioned proposed harmony to reinforce it.

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Re:Need some opinions 2012/12/11 09:17:16 (permalink)
Philip... good observations and I too wish country was more like this .... but alas..  I do ahve to disagree with the no hook statement. 


Wildman nailed it... the hook is in the chorus...... every time we come and go baby.... every time, every time we come and go.   It's repeated.  This was reviewed and commented on by some writers of the hits you hear on radio (Nashville songwriters assn staff) and one of them commented "what a great hook... it really hits home and draws me in"..... 


And yes, this was a preliminary version, there will be a final with harmony and vocal layering. Pop is where it's at these days... while I don't particularly like it, I'm not against it much either. 


I'm just happy that this song chose me to be it's writer. 

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