paulo
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Never was your enemy
Been working on this for a bit and heard it too many times now, so thought I'd take a break and hand it over to the good people here for guidance. All comments good or bad much appreciated as always.... Never was your enemy
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/02 16:51:20
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NIce song! The bass drum needs more thump imo. Well done!!! Great tunage. It seems like a throwback to the 80's but it has more of a fresh aproach.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/02 19:45:32
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Paulo, this is the kind of song that I wish that I heard more often. Your vocal and lyrics are terrific. You have a knack for writing songs that I like to listen to, and your production skills are first rate. Yet, I don't hear much in the bass range of the spectrum either. Everything else is well represented and just about perfect, imo. This could be a hit with just a little attention to the low end.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/02 22:59:26
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i dig how this reminds me of the Thompson Twins meets Pet Shop Boys. extremely cool song; well crafted. loving the extended decay on that tom drum. also, the double time parts work nicely with the half time ones. vox is spot on & truly pays homage to the better voices that we all heard on the radio back when i was just a pup in the 80s. nice one, mate.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/05 18:16:02
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Loved it from a composition/mix standpoint, then I got to the chorus: while not bad at all, it doesn't work for me with the mood you set with the verses. Like part of a different song. So to make it fit I would go halftime with the beats, maybe do some weird distorted industrial type of drums, and a slightly more menacing delivery of the vocals.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/05 18:36:12
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At least you sing bettterer than me paulo.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/06 09:43:12
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Very interesting arrangement mix of electronica and rock. First rate and smooth production. I agree with James on the chorus. I have heard songs that had a different beat on the verse than the chorus. But before they change the beat, they do some a breakdown or something to give you something that it is going to change.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/06 10:20:20
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very good Paulo... sounds commercial and "pop"... I'd like to hear more of the guitar and kick... well done...
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paulo
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/06 17:27:13
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Guitarpima - thanks for listening and comments - 80's throwback ? Many that know me would say that you just described me, so I guess it's probably exactly that ;) I'll take a look at that basss drum Lynn - Thank you so much for the kind words - I think we may be kindred spirits in some ways as I often find your songs very appealling too - in fact I was listening to some the other night . I'll check out the low end over the weekend - this was a headphone mix only, so I'm not completely surprised by that. ABeautifulVirus - I never thought Thompson Twins at all until you mentioned it, but I can see exactly what you mean now. I did like a lot of their early stuff and I used to lust after those Prophet 5 synths they used a lot, so I guess some of that rubbed off somewhere down the line. The Tom drum is a BFD Eco preset, so can't take any credit for that. Thanks for listening. Jamesyoyo - I hear what you're sayng an in truth there was a stage in it's development where I thought..... what I have here is two songs... but the more I heard it, it really grew on me and it's probably the thing I like best about it. The lightness of the chorus is deliberate as it's saying....hey look, I'm still smiling because you don't bother me in the slightest......which I thought wouldn't really work if done in a more menacing way as it would imply that it does get under your skin a little. Make sense ? Bapu - Thanks. I think. Vicente - Thanks for listening and kind words. I'm glad that people are liking the production as that is something I have been trying to improve. As with Jamesyoyo I will have to agree to disagree on the chorus thing - the more you listen it really grows IMHO. Frank - Thanks for the ears and comments - the kick has been mentioned and I will be looking at that. I did have some trouble with getting the guitar in there - I presume you mean in the chorus ? - I eq'd the heck out of the synth pad to try and find more room for it, which worked to some extent, but it still wasn't quite where I wanted it to be. I'll revisit that at the same time.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/06 21:00:32
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Very cool Paulo - I felt the same way about the Chorus until I heard the second one come in then I liked the way the Chorus came in. You're right - it does grow on you. Love the nasty synth sounds.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/06 21:01:31
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btw, you need to plug this in the Coffee House
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/06 21:33:10
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Those first notes really punch, took me by surprise. The vocals are well done in the contemporary style. An interesting song and I really liked the chorus. The vocals in the verse seem a little weak in the mix, but on the chorus it stands out nice. Cool chorus. Not as while about the organ break at 2:33 as it didn't have the same powerful vibe as the rest. Killer chorus! Daryl
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/07 08:40:48
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All that needs to be said has been said. From a straight listen and bearing in mind what has been said already it sounds good here, will keep an ear out for the developments. Thanks for sharing
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/07 10:17:49
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/07 16:30:43
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nice song and arrangement, sounds good
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/08 10:59:18
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Paulo, I enjoyed this so much, some clever things going on with the composition. I'm not sure why some didn't like the chorus? I thought it was brilliant. Great work. Mark.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/09 22:40:06
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Hey, this is cool! Such a cool beginning...and I actually like the chorus too. :) Nice!!
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paulo
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/10 19:18:29
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Daryl - Thanks for the ears - yeah those synths are kind of dirty sounding which I thought contrasted well with the lightness of the chorus sections. As for the CH, I figure that everyone there already knows where the song forum is if they are interested in such things ;) Daryl C - Yeah pretty sudden that intro - I don't usually do that, so thought I would for a change. Glad you liked it - the chorus is my favorite bit - really gets in your head. I'll take a look at the vox - they sounded ok my end to be honest, but maybe with fresh ears I'll hear it differently. Wookie - Thanks for the ears and comments - I'll put the tweaked version up when it's done. Old55 - Thanlks for listening - glad you liked. Makke - Thank you for taking the time to listen and comment - much appreciated. Mark - Thank you so much for the kind words - you can come again ! ;) Nice to see you back in these parts. Janet - Cool is good, I can live with that ! ;) Glad to see you back too ! :)
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/11 15:30:21
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Hi Paulo, I actually listened to this and some of your other songs by clicking on your sig without knowing you posted this in the song forum. I thought to myself, he should post this song, it's damn good!! I like the whole song as well as the mix, (listening through H-phones)so my opinion may not be accurate......the low end didn't seem very present, but eveything else was well done. Listening a 3rd round and the song just grows on you.....well done!!
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/15 00:46:57
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Hi Paulo, Very cool tune. I've listened to it a couple of times and like it a lot. There is a lot of attention to little details that really makes this stand out. Really great job.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/16 17:57:40
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Mesh - thanks for taking the time to listen and comment. I put the SC link in my sig so long ago that I'd actually forgotten about it ! Glad to know that it finally got used. You may well be right about the lows - it has been mentioned already. I was hoping to get to it today and check it out, but it never happened, so hopefully some time over the next few days. Glad you liked it enough to have another listen or two - a compliment in itself I always think. Geeare - Another multiple listener - thank you so much ! Glad you liked !
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/19 04:19:27
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Hey, Paulo, Very cool electronica/rock fusion song with excellent vocals and great arrangement and production! Lots of interesting elements and surprises popping in and out throughout the nice clean mix. I really like this one a lot, great stuff! Bob
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/23 10:01:06
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Thanks for the listen and kind words Bob. I've been trying to get more clarity in my mixes lately and by comparing to my earlier mixes I seem to be finally making some progress, - but it's good to hear that people here are noticing that. I find a lot of inspiration to do better from the many talented people here - beats the radio any day IMHO. There are a few tweaks I'd still like to make on this when real life allows, but it seems to have been well recieved generally. :)
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/23 10:11:27
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Heya Paulo, nice to meet you. I was surprised where this went. Nice, definite touch of Pet shop boys type style came in at a transition with harmony. I am noticing a few people love analogue synth stuff here too :).
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/23 15:58:29
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Besides Thompson Twins and Pet Shop Boys, I also hear som REM...particularly in the chorus. Regards, Dan
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/25 20:34:40
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Very British sounding tune to me. I like it. The more I listened the more I liked the vocal. At first I thought maybe a little flange with some trailing delay would sound cool. It might but this sounds good too. I like the layout of the song. It moved well for me.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/28 08:11:09
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Excellent stuff mate I love those offbeat guitar stabs in the verses, they really push the song along. Nice idea to up the tempo too.
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paulo
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/30 12:21:18
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Makzimia - nice to "meet" you too - maybe I really will one day - I have family in SD and have been known to visit ! Maybe I already did meet you without knowing it ! Thanks for the listen and comments. Dan - I don't really consider styles when I'm writing other than that I like to mix things together that shouldn't really work if you know what I mean, so I guess that's why people hear certain influences. Thanks for taking the time to listen and comment. Warren - always a pleasure to hear from you - I might just try what you suggest as I still haven't gotten around to the tweaks yet because of stupid real life ! Glad you liked anyway. Strummy - thank you kind sir ! Yeah, the tempo thing seems to have divided opinion a little, but I think it works too. Glad you enjoyed it.
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/30 12:38:22
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Cool intro guitar riff and synth choices. I like the tempo change its fits and still has a nice flow. Nice verb/delay you have used on the vocals really adds space to the mix. GREAT piece of music! Kev
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Re:Never was your enemy
2012/09/30 12:43:24
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Very good production. Like the Brit vox too. You've done a great job keeping all the elements nice and clear in the mix.
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