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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/23 13:42:21 (permalink)
I'd love a version to run on my windows 8 adam tablet - lighter than the pc version like the os (I would hope).  The problem w/ the iPad is storage is limited - besides, I have a hard time getting it from my wife and she complains that she has no space left for all her iTunes collection and other crap.
 
What would be cool is the matrix app for ios ported to PC w/ 16 pads, where I could load in my own samples to my pad from a thumb drive instead of drop box.
 
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/23 14:25:24 (permalink)
You may see that someday after it evolves some more. That app is fully cross platform.

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/23 15:42:37 (permalink)
When is the Sonar controller ipad app coming out? That would be pretty welcome addition!
 
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/23 15:45:21 (permalink)
I'm interested in the price comparison between the ios synth and the Win version. I thought apps had to be cheap to be successful. Zeta was not cheap.

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/23 15:48:52 (permalink)
I am curious about that as well... plus Z3TA+ 2 has a LOT of controls in the UI, so makes me wonder how "touch" works on it too.

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/23 17:37:35 (permalink)
Noel,
 
thanks for info.  I think the apps are great even if Z3TA is a lot cheaper for ios.  And a bigger scratchpad would make it possible combine the two tablets for a live set - just like real instruments.  I like the direction Cake is heading.
 
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/23 17:54:46 (permalink)
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Just hope its not a tablet based synth..

amen to that since it will be useless to most of us




Well.... if you run a studio that mostly records other people or you specialize in mastering then you have a valid point. However, if you are a songwriter and you record your own songs then a tablet is very useful indeed. A great way to get ideas down, then go to your DAW. The IK iRig Pro and Amplitude, Audiobus, Multidaw, and Samplitude for iPad or iPhone is really useful and very portable, especially if you don't have a good dedicated space, or have it set up yet... I think a tablet (iPad) and the much cheaper APPs are really helpful.
They are to me. They could never replace a real DAW... at least not this year. I wonder, considering the advancements in technology over the last ten years and how the cost has dropped for what you get if in another 10 years maybe todays DAW will be available on a tablet with some yet to be imagined (by us) hardware. I imagine that the real DAW will still be ahead of the tablet version... but for all we know they will merge... and work.
I mean who would have imagined the tools we have today, at todays prices, even 10 years ago.
But I digress... the tablet and it's DAW tools are great for getting some tracks down to move to the DAW for the real work. I think I'd rather see Dimension for iPad than Z3ta+, then I don't do techno or dance music but I will find a use for it.
The cup is half full, not half empty. You can't stop change but you can be left behind. Still, if you are running a studio as a business I can really see how you would find tablet APPs less than desirable.
 
I use my iPhone 5 for some stuff, but it is really too small with too little memory.
 
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/23 18:02:28 (permalink)
I'm not against i-apps in any fashion, and I think it's a great move on CW's part.
 
That said, I don't own any i-devices or tablets, and even my phone has no data plan. 
 

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 01:00:34 (permalink)
I have iPad for couple of years. I installed Garage Band on it, I have Novation synth. But in general- I have no use for it in Audio. I would not record on it. I used it to record live events, but to make music on it- I don't think so. Nothing is compatible with anything. To get a file off the garage band- you have to e-mail it to yourself. Seriously? Novation Launchpad and launchkey do not work as VST plugins- they are nice to play with but nowhere to store what you play, so- what's the point? I would not rely on iPad to play backing tracks for the show. Makes nice remote control and reading or MP3 player tool.

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 01:00:39 (permalink)
I have iPad for couple of years. I installed Garage Band on it, I have Novation synth. But in general- I have no use for it in Audio. I would not record on it. I used it to record live events, but to make music on it- I don't think so. Nothing is compatible with anything. To get a file off the garage band- you have to e-mail it to yourself. Seriously? Novation Launchpad and launchkey do not work as VST plugins- they are nice to play with but nowhere to store what you play, so- what's the point? I would not rely on iPad to play backing tracks for the show. Makes nice remote control and reading or MP3 player tool.

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 03:03:03 (permalink)
If you use the right tools with the iPad you can make good quality recordings and easily transfer them to a pc. I have no problem doing this whether it's a scratch track or full on recording of vocals, guitar or some created track of drums, synth piano or other up to 8 track recording

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 08:23:36 (permalink)
I'm not trying to knock anyone's method. But, an iPad for portable songwriting is the greatest thing since sliced bread. With it, I can get my ideas down wherever I'm at. Then, when I get home, transfer them into Sonar and finish them out.

Does everything have to be a full featured recording studio in a box to be useful? I think we've become too dependent on having a gazillion tracks, the latest and greatest plugins, and whatever else our wallets can afford us. We are spoiled. We shouldn't need all of that to write a good song. Just something we can bang out some notes or chords with and anything that we can scribble down some lyrics on. That's it.

Enter the iPad.

It's got everything you need to write a great song. Right there, in the palm of your hand. Want to add guitar? Great, plug it in, get to strumin'. Lay down a quick dummy vocal so you won't forget your melody and lyrics. Push record and go for it.

Not being able to write a song on an iPad because it doesn't have pro-level inputs, outputs, amp sims, VST's, etc ... is like saying you can't drive to work in a Fiat because it's not a Mercedes. It's the same principle.

Capture the idea down while it's hot. Pull the car over and write that hit record while the vibe is knocking you in your head. You know you'll forget it by the time you get home, talk to wife, deal with the kids and pet the dog. That's what an iPad excels at. Getting the bones of that song's body written. You can get technical and produce it all fancy-like later.

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 09:03:13 (permalink)
I put capturing ideas and creation into two separate bins. For capturing ideas, something simple and small fits the bill for most instances; a simple digital voice recorder (and now phone) fits the bill nicely (esp. the "hands free" option of it). Short and sweet, but captures the gist (straight up lo-fi recording with the meat). When it comes to sitting down and putting time into recording/construction efforts, unless something has the definitive capability that work will not need to be repeated it carries very little appeal for me.

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 10:19:49 (permalink)
Touch tablets are replacing laptops - they already have in my house.  Of course, I do music work on a tower, but tablets are getting faster and faster.  for those who think inferior sound is the problem, they need to read the SOS (I believe) article about Keith Richards using a cassette to capture the guitar in "Street Fighting Man" (again, I believe it was that song).  He took it into the studio and dropped it in because he couldn't get the sound he wanted on the reel to reel.  Exception to the rule, of course, but it can be done.
 
This doesn't negate the physical problems of the iPad, which stems from it being an entertainment delivery system, not a creation system.  The lack of usb and dependence on wireless, the lack of storage, the smallish screen are all an impediment to real creation.  And it is  silly to have to spend $100 and more to upgrade an iPad so you can record and listen to its audio deliver a $5 app.  My windows tablet is much better in that regard, w/ usb slots (tho the screen is too large to hold and thumb in anything long on the virtual keyboard).  SSDs will make internal storage as large as you please, and the processors faster than todays laptops.  In a couple of years you'll be able to run SONAR on a tablet w/ no sweat.  Or if someone would make tablets plug and play w/ a desktop all the problems would be gone today.
 
Besides, the simplicity of the apps and their slimmed down coding, not to mention price, gives us a cheap ZeTA.  What is not to like?
 
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 10:25:53 (permalink)
Cassette player used in Rolling Stones record shock horror! I hope 64 bit precision dubley was used otherwise I will never listen to Keif ever again!

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 14:09:17 (permalink)
tabs are good for ideas, and I'm using an ipad as a controller via the touchosc app, but I'm not sure about generating sounds with it

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 16:04:54 (permalink)
I was hesitant about incorporating an iPad into my home studio, but once I found a decent dock with MIDI in order to connect my controllers to it through Sonar, it's been nice to have.
 
And as far as generating sounds, there are some really good synth apps out including Propellerhead's Thor and Arturia's Oberheim iSEM.  I don't think I'll buy the iPad-based Z3ta since I already have the VST, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't sound as good.  Plus, most of the iPad synths are MUCH more affordable than PC/MAC based synths, not to mention hardware synths (although I find myself getting back into them).
 
I look at tablets as just another tool.  If it ever comes to having a full-fledged DAW on a tablet with the requisite processing power, connections, etc., I'm cool with that.  But I think we have a ways to go before that happens.  :-)
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 16:34:03 (permalink)
Which dock are you using?
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 16:41:45 (permalink)
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Which dock are you using?
Thanks in advance,


I'm using the Alesis iODock.  I walked into Guitar Center several months ago and found it marked down to about $100 as they were trying to get rid of old standing inventory.  Works quite well for my purposes.  It sits on top of my master controller and allows my iPad to work as a tabletop synth.  Plus, it keeps the iPad charged allowing me to turn the brightness all the way up and turn off auto-lock.
I love the look of the new Focusrite dock they just came out with, but it's for the latest iPad, not the 2nd generation.
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 16:52:11 (permalink)
It really comes down to the apps. A lot of people are basing their perceptions of the iPad's usability on the Garagband app. And you can get usable results with that, too if you really had to. But there are a ton of great sounding apps available. Couple them with the sequencer app of your choice and you're off and running. Also, most of the good sequencing apps will export midi. So, any parts you have played can be exported and opened in Sonar.

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 20:55:25 (permalink)
"We have something we want you to see and touch"....

I sure hope Adria Richards isn't around, cos totally dongles.


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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 21:00:17 (permalink)
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If you use the right tools with the iPad you can make good quality recordings and easily transfer them to a pc. I have no problem doing this whether it's a scratch track or full on recording of vocals, guitar or some created track of drums, synth piano or other up to 8 track recording

Hey Mudgel... I am having a hard time convincing myself to pull the trigger on an iPad, I want one but am not sure. I am interested in what you said about easily transferring to a PC. Can you easily transfer multitracks or a stereo mix?.. and if you can, how do you do it? Do you just use Garageband or Amplitude Studio, MultiDAW, Audiobus.. what.. I am curious. Which interface do you use? Sorry so many questions but inquiring minds and all...
I have an iRig PRO, Amplitude, etc but have not tried anything past recording to the iPhone. Have not tried any transfer.
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 22:55:41 (permalink)
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Or if someone would make tablets plug and play w/ a desktop all the problems would be gone today.



Here, here.  I'd never pay 400+$ for an iPad, but an easy-connect (cheap) tablet as a wi-fi'd controller to Sonar would be fantastic.  Not some generic controller, but a Sonar front end.
 
 

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/24 23:48:13 (permalink)
Make a version for Windows 9 coming out April 2015. Metro apps will be midi compatible and having floating windows just like Legacy apps.
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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/25 00:18:58 (permalink)
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Or if someone would make tablets plug and play w/ a desktop all the problems would be gone today.



Here, here.  I'd never pay 400+$ for an iPad, but an easy-connect (cheap) tablet as a wi-fi'd controller to Sonar would be fantastic.  Not some generic controller, but a Sonar front end.
 
 


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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/25 08:46:14 (permalink)
I see the iPad akin to the "cross over" vehicles... large enough that you cannot put them in your pocket, yet small enough that their processing power is limited and cannot be expanded... sheesh, with audio, even 128GB is gone quick!

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Re: New Cakewalk synth? 2014/01/25 10:27:43 (permalink)
I use the vienna instruments app to control every nuance of my orchestra, records all multitouch midi info. Wouldn't go back to midi sliders ifI tried.... ok just when the i pad battery dies. I also use the mackie control as well. Now my frontier tranzport just collects dust. Used for surfing forums as well. Still using my i7 laptop from Rain (out if business now) to record though. Ipads are very useful thiugh.
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