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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/11 10:53:36 (permalink)
What RAM did you use? Your link didn't work. Are you still happy with this MB? In other words, is it stable now that you fixed the bad IDE cable problem? They just came out with the Master2-Far7 version, and that looks interesting to me. It will support the dual core opterons. I haven't seen any reviews yet.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/12 11:35:12 (permalink)
X2 3800 overclocked @2700GHZ N4 SLI MB 7800GTX video card 2GB of DDR

S3 Test in S5

16 ms = 12%
10 ms = 17%
5 ms = 22%
2 ms = 38%

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/12 13:17:56 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: underblu

X2 3800 overclocked @2700GHZ N4 SLI MB 7800GTX video card 2GB of DDR

S3 Test in S5

16 ms = 12%
10 ms = 17%
5 ms = 22%
2 ms = 38%




Impressive...

Any numbers without overclocking.....

Regards,
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/12 16:57:24 (permalink)
With the X3800 running @2.4GHZ I's say my usage increased about 15%.

I haven't run my chip at stock since I bought it but maybe I'll try it it just for a reference point.

Another point, even though I haven't had any problems opening projects a 2.7GHZ, this overclock with 1.5 volts has not proved prime95 stable, therefore I would be hesitant to use it for a serious project. However, 2.4GHZ works with a minimal voltage increase over stock ans is 100% Prime95 stable.

Just so you know Prime95 and SuperPi are tools that let you test the stability of your overclock. They stress the CPU, memory, cache etc. so you can determine if you have any instabilities.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/12 17:28:30 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: underblu

With the X3800 running @2.4GHZ I's say my usage increased about 15%.

I haven't run my chip at stock since I bought it but maybe I'll try it it just for a reference point.

Another point, even though I haven't had any problems opening projects a 2.7GHZ, this overclock with 1.5 volts has not proved prime95 stable, therefore I would be hesitant to use it for a serious project. However, 2.4GHZ works with a minimal voltage increase over stock ans is 100% Prime95 stable.

Just so you know Prime95 and SuperPi are tools that let you test the stability of your overclock. They stress the CPU, memory, cache etc. so you can determine if you have any instabilities.


Great info.



Regards,

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/12 17:40:55 (permalink)
Hewlett-Packard a830n

Processor:
Pentium4 540 (P) HT 3.2 GHz:
800 MHz Front side bus
Socket 775
Hyperthreading enable for test

Chipset:
Intel 915G

Motherboard:
Manufacturer: Asus
Motherboard Name: PTGD1-LA

Memory:
2 GB (4 x 512)
PC3200

Hard drives:
Western Digital 7200rpm 250Gb SATA (System Drive)
Maxtor 7200rpm 250Gb SATA (Audio Drive)

Sound Card:
MOTU 828MkII

OS Software:
Windows XP Home

Audio Software:
Sonar 4.0.3 Producer Edition


46.4ms -- 29%

23.2ms -- 31%

11.6ms -- 36%

5.8ms -- 46%

2.9ms -- 64%

2.2ms -- 75%

1.5ms -- Not Available
post edited by OffAnAirplane - 2005/11/12 17:43:10

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/16 14:32:02 (permalink)
Bought a new PC from www.cube247.com...PC cost just over £1000 for this  
spec!

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400
ATI Radeon xpress 200
Windows XPSP2
2Gig RAM
M-Audio 1010LT (WDM driver)
2x250Gb Baracuda drives (SATA)
Quiet PSU

Results are really impressive :-)

46.4ms 10%
23.2ms 15%
11.6ms 21%
5.8ms 26%
2.9ms 37%
1.5ms 55%

www.thehadroncollider.co.uk
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/16 18:23:13 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: dorism

Bought a new PC from www.cube247.com...PC cost just over £1000 for this  
spec!

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400
ATI Radeon xpress 200
Windows XPSP2
2Gig RAM
M-Audio 1010LT (WDM driver)
2x250Gb Baracuda drives (SATA)
Quiet PSU

Results are really impressive :-)

46.4ms 10%
23.2ms 15%
11.6ms 21%
5.8ms 26%
2.9ms 37%
1.5ms 55%




What version of sonar?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/16 20:12:35 (permalink)
Hi Dorism

Your S3 Test results for your X2 4400 are *great* BUT I suspect they could easily be quite a bit better.

Can you advise what memory timings you are using - the settings will be in the BIOS or you can download a great little FREE Windows program called CPUz from here www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-131.zip which will tell you what they are.

I suspect that as you are using 2 GB [ presumably 2 x 1GB of DDR ] the timings will be very "loose".

"Loose" memory timings in an A64 system do have a *major* effect on CPU efficiency readings in Sonar using the S3 Test file.

Can you advise what they are ?

Tim
post edited by timboe - 2005/11/16 20:17:17
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/17 01:39:59 (permalink)
To highlight the importance of A64 memory timings, see below.

My 2.8 gig A64 at 2/2/2/5 Memory timings

46.4 19
23.2 21
11.6 23-24
5.8 28-29
2.9 35-37
1.5 48-53

My 2.8 gig A64 at 3/4/4/8 Memory timings - *no* other changes to *any* settings of *any* type

46.4 21-22
23.2 23-24
11.6 27-28
5.8 33-35 - %19 higher than memory @ 2/2/2/5
2.9 40-44 - %15 higher than memory @ 2/2/2/5
1.5 54-62 - %15 higher than memory @ 2/2/2/5

As you can see, at the lower latency settings - which is where you ideally want to be - from 5.8ms and down, the difference, just from memory timings *alone* , are huge.

Thats why low latecny memory is *really* important for any DAW.

Tim
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/17 02:03:32 (permalink)
As you can see, at the lower latency settings - which is where you ideally want to be - from 5.8ms and down, the difference, just from memory timings *alone* , are huge.


Please explain memory timings. Is this an adjustment, or some kind of memory device?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/17 07:38:52 (permalink)
These are the basic / standard Memory settings in your BIOS ie:-

CAS 2
Ras to Cas 2
Ras Pre Charge 2
TRAS 5

Only the highest qualtiy memory can do these timings - it makes a *big* difference to Soanr sub-5.8ms working.

Tim
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/17 11:48:34 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: timboe


As you can see, at the lower latency settings - which is where you ideally want to be - from 5.8ms and down, the difference, just from memory timings *alone* , are huge.

Thats why low latecny memory is *really* important for any DAW.

Tim


Does the Kingston or Samsung brand have low latency memory?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/17 14:04:39 (permalink)
Hi fejede

it was 4.0.4

cheers
Michael

ORIGINAL: fejede


ORIGINAL: dorism

Bought a new PC from www.cube247.com...PC cost just over £1000 for this  
spec!

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400
ATI Radeon xpress 200
Windows XPSP2
2Gig RAM
M-Audio 1010LT (WDM driver)
2x250Gb Baracuda drives (SATA)
Quiet PSU

Results are really impressive :-)

46.4ms 10%
23.2ms 15%
11.6ms 21%
5.8ms 26%
2.9ms 37%
1.5ms 55%




What version of sonar?


www.thehadroncollider.co.uk
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/17 14:09:51 (permalink)
i might be trippin, but i dont see any dual core systems that have been tested. I would like to see some results of a good amd x2 setup. let me know if I am wrong and apologies in advance if i am :)

, Pony Boy
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/17 19:54:40 (permalink)

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Hi fejede

it was 4.0.4

cheers
Michael




Thanks.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/17 19:56:06 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Lanceindastudio

i might be trippin, but i dont see any dual core systems that have been tested. I would like to see some results of a good amd x2 setup. let me know if I am wrong and apologies in advance if i am :)

, Pony Boy



Post 631 is a dual core result......there are others within the last 10 post or so (plus or minus 631)


Regards,
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/22 19:39:52 (permalink)
athlon 64 300+, gigabyte ga-kns8 ultra 939, 2 gigs dual channel ram, raid striped drives, RME HDSP 9652 soundcard.

46.4ms 33%
23.2ms 37%
11.6ms 46%
5.8ms 63%
2.9ms 96%
1.5ms no chance!

anyone else with this soundcard please email me so we can compare notes and settings and maybe better the numbers.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/11/23 09:53:41 (permalink)
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Motherboar Gigabyte K8NS Ultra-939 nVidia Socket 939
Cpu AMD Athlon 64 4000+ 1MB 90nm Rev. E San Diego (939) (Retail Box-w-Fan)
Fan (cpu) ThermalTake Golden Orb II Socket 939 754 775 Copper Core CPU Cooling Fan
Memory 4Gb (4x1Gb) OCZ dual channel platinum (OCZ4002048ELDCPE-K) "Bios memory setting 2-3-2-5"
Video ATI (Connect3D) Radeon 9250 256MB DDR8x-AGPTV-OutDVI (Retail Box)
Power supply OCZ OCZ52012U ModStream ATX 2.0 520W
Hard drive Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB 7200 16MB ATA-133 EIDE OEM "Boot OS"
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB 7200 16MB SATA-133 EIDE OEM
Modem US Robotics 5660A 56k V.92 PCI Modem USR5660A
Thermal paste Shin Etsu G765 (SYRINGE) .35 gm Thermal Grease
Fan (case) Aerocool Black UV Frame 120mm Case Fan with 4 LEDs
Vantec Thermalflow 60mm Double Ball Bearing Fan
Cable Floppy Ultra 18 U10-1002-UV-OR
IDE Ultra 18 U10-1000UV-RED
CD LG 52x32x52x GCE-8525B
DVD Dvd LiteOn burner16x4x16x
Floppy Panasonic TC1-6000BL
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Windows xp home sp2 - Sonar 5.0.1 - Motu 2408 mk3 (wdm) - Yamaha 02R (adat+tdif)
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46.4 : 27%
23.2 : 29%
11.6 : 33%
5.8 : 40%
2.9 : 53%
1.5 : 75%
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Michel GC Jones
Studio LuxMundus
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post edited by Chevalier DAour - 2005/11/23 17:25:33
danielson
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/12/17 07:00:39 (permalink)
When was the graph at the start of the post last updated??
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/12/19 19:39:58 (permalink)
hi, i,m a composer from egypt i wish to make sonar the first host in the middle east and asian countries
so our dreams in the next update is...
1-warp time(stretching the tempo grid manually from any point to follow audio or midi events with the ability to snap to the nearest event).

2-draw tool(to draw audio events such as in soundforge,wavelab,cubase and many more

3-the loop construction view(for each slice enable gate,fade,quantize,snap,layring(to make copy,paste,replace,move and remove time or slice)).

4-multi channel loop synth.(can read the acidized files direct from sonar (not only the external rex files) and the ability to export the midi grooves to sonar midi tracks,and also the ability to copy, paste each key to the empty keys to add filters and amp. works for each key, e.g(attack,decay,pan,volume,pitch),and finally the ability to make effect inserts and sends for each channel with the automation.

hint some people prefare to work direct with loops while the others prefare to work with loops modules

5-micro tuner (a midi effect with many presets from the hole world to work with the modules have that abbility like steinberg modules (halion,hypersonic and many more)and try to make the others abble that.

6-general midi arranger(comes as one complex midi effect with many complet styles(intro,variations,fills and end) from the hole world, and the ability to make our styles from midi patterns or real time midi recording.
this arranger comes with a separate drums and instrument sections channels can be activated,linked or not.
this arranger should follow midi events in a midi track and the real time midi recordings with a lift hand changing
style variations by midi keyboard keys,and the ability to hear the styles at stop mode.

7-some effects like vocoders have a midi output,some other hosts reads that automatically,but sonar vst adapter make that manually by enabling as dxi.

8-some vst modules and effects still make errors with the vst adapter and can,t read.

9-some vst modules (like groove agent,broomastick bass ) have input to midi tracks to make the track records their patterns,some other hosts reads that but sonar doesn,t.....!

10-the automation envelops doesn,t appear in the output audio track of a module if we open that module from the synth rack but when we open the module from an audio track insert ,the automations appears.why...?

11-real time audio input bus(to make sonar the best multitrack i have ever seen).

12-the event inspector if we changed the value of some event and if we add anoter events and pounce the midi clips the added events can,t take the same value unless when giving new value and return to the last.

thanks for your patient
mostafa alswefi
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EGYPT-CAIRO
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/12/27 20:34:45 (permalink)
HI All,

ok i have posted more than a few times about the up coming Dual Core AMD Laptop. with hopes it would unseat
Intel as the crown holder of laptops

i finally got my paws on one Friday. took until yesterday and today to get some numbers.

Clevo D900K 17" 1920 res
X2 4800
2 Gig DDR 400
60G 7200
80G 7200
RME Fireface 800
Sonar 5 Pro

all numbers are max peaks not an average, average was much lower



Scott Reams Sonar test

256 32%
128 55%
64 83%
48 95%

so yes AMD finally now has the crown for laptops.

Scott
ADK
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2006/01/06 12:39:06 (permalink)
Here is my updated system, as you can see I need some more RAM :)
Windows XP Home
Sonar 5.01
ASROCK 939 SATAII MB (BIOS 1.4)
Opteron 165 (standard, not overclocked)
Kingston HyperX PC3200 DDR400 RAM - 512MB (two sticks)
Echo Mia Sound Card
Matrox P650
IBM-DTLA-307030 30GB Drive (Audio Boot)
Seagate Barracuda - ST3160023AS SATA 160GB (Adio Drive)

The CPU meter in Sonar may be useless for Dual Cores as I notice that it seems to read the sum of the two cores ie. Core 0: 5% Core 1: 89% = 94% on Sonar CPU meter.

WDM
1.5 90%
2.9 64%
4.4 54%
5.8 48%
7.3 45%
8.7 42-71% ???
10.7 41-70% ???
... I get what I would erratic readings on all of the lower settings. It is sort of a moot point as it appears that I can comfortably camp on 2.9.


AXE
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2006/01/07 01:31:40 (permalink)
Hi axe

You may want to check out your Sonar 5.0.1 setup. my new DAW and my S3 Test file results in Sonar 5.0.1 are:-

- Gigabyte K8NS Ultra 939
- Zalman 7000A AlCu Sink
- 1 x 120mm case-intake fan
- 1 x 80mm case-exhaust fan
- Topower 420w P/S
- Opteron 165 *AT STOCK* speed
- 2 x Corsair DDR 500 ram
- ram running at 2/2/2/5
- system is fully stable and temperature stead
- M-audio card running .27 drivers in ASIO mode

*64 Bit Engine Turned ON in Sonar 5.0.1*
* Multi-processor support turned ON in Sonar 5.0.1*

Firstly, the stock / non-overclocked results:-

1.5 58 – 60%
2.9 38 – 40%
5.8 29%
11.6 24%
23.2 21%
46.4 19%

Now ….. running the same CPU at 2 x 2.6gig @ 1.500v you get:-

*64 Bit Engine Turned ON in Sonar 5.0.1*
* Multi-processor support turned ON in Sonar 5.0.1*

1.5 39 - 42%
2.9 26 - 27%
5.8 19 - 20%
11.6 15 - 16%
23.2 14%
46.4 12%

I really do think you have a setting somewhere not optimized.

Tim
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2006/01/12 00:32:45 (permalink)
This 'new updated Sonar Test is for Sonar 3! I realize it was posted a while back, so...

Is there such a test available for Sonar 5 Producer edition? I would love to have a benchmark...

dd

Dell Optiplex 760, 4GB, 1TB drive
TASCAM FireOne interface
S8 Producer Edition
Carvin electric guitars
Ibanez bass
Edirol 800 Controller
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2006/01/12 10:18:04 (permalink)
I agree. With the new audio 64 bit engine the results should be very different (better I hope).
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2006/01/20 13:13:18 (permalink)
Hey all - I subbed this in another thread...here are my results. I have compiled from two systems, actually - both identical except for CPU and Sound Card. Everything else is the Same

- Asus P5P800 SE
- Zalman 7000A AlCu Sink - adapted for 775 chip
- Antec P180 case for cool and quiet performance
- Antec TruePower 430
- 2 x 1Gb DDR2 = 2Gb Total
- system is fully stable and temperature stead (at idle, about 41 deg C, pushed at about 65 deg C)

The chart shows the hardware diffs for System 1 and System 2

{edit: forgot to mention these are for Sonar 5.0.1 with MS dual core fixes and whatnot}

I hope these results are interesting.

post edited by Blades - 2006/01/20 13:17:15

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2006/01/20 17:01:37 (permalink)
My Results:

AMD X2 4600
AsRock 939 Dual MB
2 ea Kingston KVR400X64C3A/1G Kit DDR 400 PC 3200 running at dual channel
Asus GeForce FX 5200 128 MB AGP video
Western Digital Caviar 40 GB Ultra/ATA 100 system drive
Western Digital Caviar 80 GB Ultra/ATA 100 library drive
Western Digital Caviar 80 GB Ultra/ATA 100 audio drive
HP DVD 640
Antec Sonata II w/ 430 watt ps
Windows XP Professional SP 2 w/out dual-core hotfix
M-Audio Delta 1010

Sonar 4.03, Asio – Multi-processing engine activated:

46.4 ms……….15%
23.2 ms……….17%
11.6 ms……….20%
5.8 ms………...25%
2.9 ms………...34 – 43%
1.5 ms………...54-77%

Multi-processing engine de-activated:

46.4 ms……….27%
23.2 ms………28-31%
11.6 ms………32-36%
5.8 ms………..41-47%
2.9 ms………..55-63%
1.5 ms………..Dropout
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2006/02/01 14:31:43 (permalink)
Just purchased a Toshiba Satellite Laptop 1.8 Mobile Celeron w/1Gig ram, 5200rpm 100gig hard drive, using the internal RealTek AC97 audio (with a ASIO4ALL driver).

Sonar Home Studio (4)

46.4msec............11% (asio buffer size 2048 samples)
37.7msec............12% (1664 samples)
29.0msec............12% (1280 samples)
20.3msec............14% (896 samples)
11.6msec............17% (512 samples)
4.4msec..............31% (192 samples)
2.9msec..............40% (128 samples)
1.5ms.................bounces 35%-52%-73% (64 samples)

Oh, and this was on battery power.

*Note, upon loading the sonar file in the first post, I got a few errors stating it could not find some of the plugins. Anyone care to make an updated version of this test file for the current SONAR products??
post edited by dre99gsx - 2006/02/01 14:46:15
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2006/02/01 15:15:45 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: dre99gsx

Just purchased a Toshiba Satellite Laptop 1.8 Mobile Celeron w/1Gig ram, 5200rpm 100gig hard drive, using the internal RealTek AC97 audio (with a ASIO4ALL driver).

Sonar Home Studio (4)

46.4msec............11% (asio buffer size 2048 samples)
37.7msec............12% (1664 samples)
29.0msec............12% (1280 samples)
20.3msec............14% (896 samples)
11.6msec............17% (512 samples)
4.4msec..............31% (192 samples)
2.9msec..............40% (128 samples)
1.5ms.................bounces 35%-52%-73% (64 samples)

Oh, and this was on battery power.

*Note, upon loading the sonar file in the first post, I got a few errors stating it could not find some of the plugins. Anyone care to make an updated version of this test file for the current SONAR products??



Unfortunately, that means your numbers are pretty meaningless—in the context of this study, that is. Without certain of those plugins, my OC'd Opteron 165 Dual core system runs at like 3% at 5ms. LOL. That doesn't help the study though.
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