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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/03/08 00:18:11 (permalink)
"My advice: Ditch the AMD platform for an Intel setup. I just did and found myself getting lower latencies instantly and is 10x more stable. Yes, the AMD system seemed to have 10% more performance with Sonar. But at the cost of PCI latency and stability? hardly a bargain. The Intel chipset architecture has features built-in that allows for better streaming cabability. Yes, I know, many of you out there have been successful with creating a solid AMD system but I'm just sharing my experience."


I have an AMD 3500+ 64-bit and NEo2 Platform that will outrun yours. I dare you to prove your 10X claim too. You can't. I am using a FF800 and it is working very smooth at 1.3ms latency. Intel is NOT more superior. It is just another preference. Most of us here did our homework and chose AMD for our needs. Some Chose intel for their needs. Most chose AMD...

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/03/08 00:36:53 (permalink)
Ummm. I was quoting someone else there... Are you one of the people using UAD-1s on Athlon 64 with no problems? I'm kind of waiting now for a decent PCI-Express firewire solution...
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/03/08 08:26:36 (permalink)
Ummm. I was quoting someone else there..


Ah, Sorry. I didn't see the quote box.

No, I don't use a UAD-1. I almost went PCI-E. I didn't want to lose my GEForceFX5900 with 256M though. PCI-E is still young technology. I would wait a bit longer. What I have now is really smokin. The only thing I think I would improve in my setup is SATA drive in a RAID for backup purposes.

Sorry for the confusion..

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/03/19 15:35:08 (permalink)
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post edited by Junski - 2005/08/19 12:20:42
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/03/19 18:44:22 (permalink)
Here is an update for th STAudio c-port. ESI have released the 8.4 driver. Because of recent developments there, it will probably be the last driver released for this card. I've included the comparison with the earlier 8.2rc5 driver

MSI Neo2 Platinum (939)
Athlon 64 +3500 (2200mhz)
1gig Corsair twinx 3200xl ram (dual channel) set 2325
Windows Pro
Sonar 3.1.1 PE
STAudio C-port with ESI drivers

buffers 64

8.2driver 8.4 driver

ms
46.4 25% 26%

23.2 27% 28%

11.6 30% 31%

5.8 39% 38%

2.9 50% 53%

1.3 53%* 78% *(can't be right)


At 96/24 and everything else above I can get 3ms with 82% load. I'll probably switch back since the only real 'advance' of the driver is the ability to route mme simuteneously with the WDM. Don't really need it and the old one was a smidge faster.

Hey Conley, saw you over on the Corsair page. How did the tweaks work out? I had similar issues with some twinx xl

Hey reset, was always an intel user 'til now. Very happy with the A-64 here. I've no instabilties.

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post edited by mark s - 2005/03/19 18:48:31
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/03/31 20:59:14 (permalink)
Hello all. New member. Great thread for reviewing system specs/performance. I'm in the middle of getting a brand new rig up and running this week. I've been a Cakewalk/Sonar user for many years and am currently running Sonar 2.2XL, as well as Adobe Audition. I can't run the test, but I have a question on my new daw.

Athlon64 3400+
Asus K8VX
Delta Audiophile 24/96
ATI Radeon 9250 128meg AGP8X
Delta MidiSport 2X2 USB
2 x 512Meg DDR400 RAM
2 x WD 7200RPM 80/8 ATA100 HD's
1 x Dual layer DVD/CDR Drive
WinXP SP1
Antec Sonata Case

I've done basic XP tweaks. No overclocking. My question is regarding HD master/slave options. Right now, No.1 HD (OS and software)is primary master, with No. 2 HD (audio) is primary slave on the same IDE channel. The DVD drive is secondary master on the other IDE channel. If the audio HD is attached to the secondary master instead, would that be a better way to go? If so, where would be the optimum place to put the DVD drive. Or should I run with the current config? (My old rig was single HD only, but it was used primarily for MIDI.)

Thanks!





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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/03/31 21:09:10 (permalink)
It will be fine the way you have it.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/01 00:39:15 (permalink)
Thanks mgaretz. I'll leave it that way for now and see how she likes it.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/01 00:51:46 (permalink)
Dell Centrino Pentium 4 M 1.4 512mb ram Echo Indigo I/O
ASIO

64 Samples 1.5ms No Go
128 2.9ms 80-90%
256 5.8ms 63-80%
512 11.6ms 54-70%
1024 23.2ms 46-60%
2048 46.4ms 39-58%


Not bad for a notebook with all the bells and whistles that are in the file.
Will try on a Pentium 3 1ghz
Will try on Pentium 4 3.0E with 1 gig ram

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/02 20:16:21 (permalink)

SHUTTLE SN25P nVIDIA nFORCE4 CHIPSET
AMD ATHLON 64 4000+
2 GB PC3200 400MHZ CL3 (3-3-3) DDR DIMM
ATI Radeon X700 Pro 256MB PCI Express
NEC ND-3520A BLACK 16X/16 DVD DUAL DOUBLE LAYER REWRITABLE DRIVE W/SW
MITUSMI 1.44 FLOPPY
MAXTOR 250GB SERIAL ATA150 7200RPM 8MB
2) 17" LCD NEC monitors
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Tascam FW-1884

ASIO
46.4 ... 23%
23.2 ... 25%
11.6 ... 28%
5.8 ... 34%
2.9 ... 41-44%
1.5 ... 61-63%


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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/05 21:34:35 (permalink)
Sony Viao TR2
1 Ghz Pentium M Centrino
512 G
40 g 4200 RPM
Sound Max internal Audio

WDM Driver
11ms 85%
20ms 75%
40ms 65%
80ms 57%
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/16 00:23:00 (permalink)
What am I missing?

I just upgraded my sytem to:

Gigbyte 939 GA-K8NF-9
nforce4-4X chipset
AMD 64 3200+
512x2 RAM
ATI X300 PCIe
260gigs WD HD
40gigs 10KRPM HD

Audio Interface
Tascam FW-1884

The problem is I'm using ASIO at .7ms latency and I show no CPU% strain what so ever. My audio engine is engaged and I have Sonar 4 PE with all plug-ins. Now one thing I do not see is any audio tracks inside the audio folder. Is there supposed to be audio data inside the audio tracks?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/16 01:14:23 (permalink)
No there is no audio data.
This test file just sits still. That's all it does.

I can't help you with the other part. Someone who knows will drop by.

Steve
post edited by Steve_Karl - 2005/04/16 01:17:58
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/16 14:01:54 (permalink)
I guess I'm doing it right then. I have two audio cards and one is a Terra Tec EWS88D. The EWS88D shows 29% CPU strain at .7 msecs but when I switch audio to use the FW-1884 with ASIO or WDM drivers I don't have any CPU strain even with the lowest settings of .7msecs. I double clicked all plug-ins to make sure they are present and active and they are. I have also made sure the audio engine was engaged. Are the new 939-pin processor and the N4 chipset really that great? I was told the processor would be able to transfer up to 1.6gigs directly from the RAM, so maybe this is why? Could it be that latency is no longer a big issue?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/16 14:42:33 (permalink)
The results you are seeing are definitely not right. No single CPU system can run the test at 0.7ms. Try at all latencies and post the whole group of scores.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/16 15:21:56 (permalink)
Gigbyte 939 GA-K8NF-9
nforce4-4X chipset
AMD 64 3200+
512x2 RAM
ATI X300 PCIe
260gigs WD HD
40gigs 10KRPM HD

24 Bit 44.1Khz
1st card
Terra Tec EWS88D-ASIO


46.4msecs- 27%
23.3msecs- 29-30%
2.9msecs- 55%
1.5msecs- 82-84% !!Warning!!

2nd Card-
Tascam FW-1884-ASIO
46.4msecs- 0%
23.2msecs- 0%
5.8msecs- 0%
0.7msecs- 0%

I've made sure the darn thing is turned on and plugged in. Also, I adjusted the latency slider on Tascam's control panel by accessing ASIO control panel button in Sonar. Tascam allows it to go down to 0.7 when adjust the slider to 32 samples.


Terra Tec EWS88D-WDM

40msecs- 0%
20msecs- 0%
10msecs- 0%
1msecs- 0%

Lowered Ultra DMA buffer settings to 1msec on the Terra Tec EWS88D CP and adjusted the slider in Sonar. Used Wave porfiler each time and all frequencies for both cards are testing ok, just in case.


Tascam FW-1884

39.9msecs- 0%
28.9msecs- 0%
11msecs- 0%
1msec- 0% -lowest option in WDM mode

The results are outrageous!

If you check back in this post I have done this test before using my older terra tec card and so I didn't think I was doing anything different. And as you can see the ASIO drivers are the only ones that show any sort of strain on the CPU meter. On the other hand, with the same card in WDM mode there is no strain. Can this be accurate?


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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/16 15:30:01 (permalink)
When you use the Tascam, the audio engine isn't engaging (even if it indicates that it is). You can veryfy this pretty easily. SonarTest uses input monitoring in order to stress the system. Try to monitor a real signal through one of the tracks. If you can't hear signal and plugins in realtime, nothing is happening.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/17 22:54:32 (permalink)
*MSI K8N Neo Platinum 2
*AMD Athlon 64 3500
*2-Seagate Barracuda 80 gigs
*Sonata Quiet Case
*Liteon DVDRW
*Tacam US-122
This is within the US-122 asio panel...
256 - 39-45%
512 - 29-35%
1024- 26-28%
2048- 24-25%

W/WDM =
46.4 -24-26%
23.2 -26-28%
the rest are ...unavailable with slider
11.6 -
5.8 -
2.9 -
1.5 -

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/19 22:36:20 (permalink)
P4 HT/ Prescott 3.20/2ghz PC3200 DDRam

46.4 25
23.2 27
11.6 32
5.8 41
2.9 60






Windows 10/64 bit/i7-6560U/SSD/16GB RAM/Cakelab/Sonar Platinum/Pro Tools/Studio 1/Studio 192/DP88/MOTU AVB/Grace M101/AKG Various/Blue Woodpecker/SM81x2/Yamaha C1L Grand Piano/CLP545/MOX88/MOTIF XS Rack Rack/MX61/Korg CX3/Karma/Scarbee EP88s/ Ivory/Ravenscroft Piano/JBL4410/NS10m/Auratones/Omnisphere/Play Composers Selection/Waves/Komplete Kontrol
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/27 20:32:00 (permalink)
ok now its working correctly,

Gigbyte 939 GA-K8NF-9
nforce4-4X chipset
AMD 64 3200+
512x2 RAM
ATI X300 PCIe
260gigs WD HD
40gigs 10KRPM HD

Tascam FW 1884

ASIO
x2048 46.4msecs = 27%
x1024 23.2msecs = 29%
x512 11.6msecs = 33%
x128 5.8msecs = 43%
x64 1.5msecs = 86%
x32 .7msecs = CRASH!

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/27 22:40:17 (permalink)
feels good doesn't it?

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/28 00:14:24 (permalink)
You can say that again
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/28 03:29:10 (permalink)
Dell Dimension
P4 2.4
512 Mb
Maxtor 6L080L4 80Gb ATA 133 7200
Nvida Ge Force 4 Ti 4200
M Audio Firewire 410
XP Home SP1
Sonar 3.1.1

Hi guys
I'm not that tech minded but here are my sad results. I would appreciate any help. I disable the modem and Anti Virus/ Security when working with Sonar.

ASIO

2048 46.4msecs 38%
1024 23.2msecs 41-43%
512 11.6msecs 46-53%
256 5.8msecs 61-70%
128 2.9msecs No CPU
32 1.5msecs Are you kidding me!
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/04/29 02:53:24 (permalink)
John, Hi there. I saw your posts on the Cakewalk forum (the Sonar benchmark). I am currently buying 2 new DAWs for my studio, one for Sonar and the 2nd for GigaStudio and soft-synths. I noticed you use a NF4 chipset board with your Athlon64 processor. I'm curious to know how the performance is. I have read several negative reports about the NF4 chipset due to the PCI bandwidth issues. The RME site gives the NF3 chipset overall better CPU performance and better PCI bandwith also.

One other question: I'm considering buying a Pentium for my Sonar machine (as I have a DSPF sound card and I hear it does better on the Intel chipsets rather than the AMD)...I'm just wondering if you might want to convince me to not get a Pentium for the Sonar machine...that the AMD will be a much better option for multitracking in Sonar. I have a Tascam FW1082 (small brother of the 1884) as my main interface for the Sonar machine...but I'm going to try to run the DSPF in the same machine at the same time to see if I can benefit from the onboard mixer.

Thanks,
Nathan
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/05/07 01:31:15 (permalink)
Hi,

My results:

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum,
AMD 3500+ 90nm Winchester,
2GB RAM OCZ 3200 DDR 400 2,3,2,5
IDE 0 : Barracuda 120G = XP, Sonar, apps
IDE 1 : Barracuda 200G = live samples and audio backup,
SATA RAID0 : Barracuda 160G X 2 = live audio & samples library
Sapphire ATI Radeon 9600 SE AGP Video
TI firewire PCI card
UAD-1 DSP PCI card
DVD-COMBO
DVD+/-RW
Floppy
XP Pro SP1

MOTU 896HD (firewire)

Roland XP60
MIA Strat

(not necessarily in that order)

ASIO
Buffer...Latency...CPU (max)

2048 ... 46.4 ... 25%
1024 ... 23.2 ... 27%
512 ... 11.6 ... 31%
256 ... 5.8 ... 38%
192 ... 4.4 ... 42%
128 ... 2.9 ... 52%
96 ... 2.2 ... 63%


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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/05/07 21:42:40 (permalink)
Nathan,

I sent you an email with my response to avoid getting off topic. Good music on your website BTW...
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/05/08 11:36:36 (permalink)
Hi,

did the Scott Reams SonarTest and the ADK SonarTest with this setup:

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
Athlon FX55 @200MHz x 13
2x 512MB OCZ4001024ELDCPER2-K Rev2 Platinum EL CL2 2-2-5
2x IBM IC35 80GB as PATA1 and PATA2
1x Maxtor Diamondline III 300GB 7B300S0 attached to SATA2
BIOS version: 1.8mod
1x RME HDSP Digiface
ASIO driver 2.9.0.1
WinXP Pro SP2 latest patches
Sonar PE 4.0.2

and got these results:

Latency || ScottReams-Sonartest || ADK-Sonartest
8192(186ms) || 20% || 56%
4096(93ms) || 21% || 58%
2048(46ms) || 22% || 62%
1024(23ms) || 23% || 68%
512(12ms) || 25% || 76%
256(6ms) || 29% || 89% critical
128(3ms) || 38% || dropout
64(1,5ms) || 53% || dropout

After a couple of minutes at 6ms with the ADK-SonarTest where the CPU load was jumping between 87 to 93% monitored with Sysinternals Process Explorer 9.01 I got a blue screen two times with the message claiming that Driver_Irql_Not_Less_Or_Equal and NDIS.SYS has caused an error at memory address yxz – system halted! The second time the error was so serious that WinXP was damaged in systemroot\system32\config\software that I had to reinstall an image. Actually this was the first time something like this happened with this and former systems. However I hadn’t used the ADK-SonarTest before.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/05/16 05:26:46 (permalink)
Athlon 64 3000+ (939)
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
Corsair Twinx 3200C2 (512MB x 2) (set above spec to 2-3-3-5 1T, synchronized with CPU)
Grandmars ATI Radeon 9550SE
Echo Mia Midi (PCI)
Antec Truepower II 430W
Seagate IDE HDD

FSB=200Mhz/HT=5:
46.4 ms - 31%
23.2 ms - 33%
11.6 ms - 38%
5.8 ms - 46%
2.9 ms - 63%
1.5 ms - Failed

o/c to FSB=225Mhz/HT=4:
46.4 ms - 27%
23.2 ms - 29%
11.6 ms - 32%
5.8 ms - 39%
2.9 ms - 54%
1.5 ms - 80%
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/05/16 07:06:55 (permalink)
You can say that again


feels good doesn't it.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/05/16 18:40:41 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: winnie_pooh

Hi,

did the Scott Reams SonarTest and the ADK SonarTest with this setup:

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
Athlon FX55 @200MHz x 13
2x 512MB OCZ4001024ELDCPER2-K Rev2 Platinum EL CL2 2-2-5
2x IBM IC35 80GB as PATA1 and PATA2
1x Maxtor Diamondline III 300GB 7B300S0 attached to SATA2
BIOS version: 1.8mod
1x RME HDSP Digiface
ASIO driver 2.9.0.1
WinXP Pro SP2 latest patches
Sonar PE 4.0.2

and got these results:

Latency || ScottReams-Sonartest || ADK-Sonartest
8192(186ms) || 20% || 56%
4096(93ms) || 21% || 58%
2048(46ms) || 22% || 62%
1024(23ms) || 23% || 68%
512(12ms) || 25% || 76%
256(6ms) || 29% || 89% critical
128(3ms) || 38% || dropout
64(1,5ms) || 53% || dropout

After a couple of minutes at 6ms with the ADK-SonarTest where the CPU load was jumping between 87 to 93% monitored with Sysinternals Process Explorer 9.01 I got a blue screen two times with the message claiming that Driver_Irql_Not_Less_Or_Equal and NDIS.SYS has caused an error at memory address yxz – system halted! The second time the error was so serious that WinXP was damaged in systemroot\system32\config\software that I had to reinstall an image. Actually this was the first time something like this happened with this and former systems. However I hadn’t used the ADK-SonarTest before.



ouch never had that test do that before, must have been too much for it. we test every sonar box with that test never had an issue....

just for comaprison here is what i got on my daw
Gigabyte K8ns Ultra 939 (my new daw)
939 pin 3800+ 1 gig ram (AGP board)
RME Multiface
1024 = 78%

512 = 87%

anything less than 512 is INSTANT dropout

Scott
ADK


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