b.sabbath
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/03 09:26:15
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I have no idea what I'm doing, but I was unhappy to see my computer wimp out at a lower latency.. I usually work @ 2.9msec without any problems, but this test wouldn't have it.. I usually bounce tracks a lot so I've never even seen my cpu meter go over 30% until this test... maybe I need to do some more tweaking.. P4 2.53/1Gb of ram/M-Audio Firewire 410/Maxtor 160GB hd for storage 64 samples - 1.5 msec - dead 128 samples - 2.9 msec - dropout 256 samples - 5.8 msec - cpu 57% 384 samples - 8.7 msec - 50% 512 samples - 11.6 msec - 46% 768 samples - 17.4 msec - 42% 1025 samples - 23.2 msec - 38%
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b.sabbath
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/03 09:29:21
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/04 16:00:23
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Toshiba Satellite A30 Notebook, 512Mb RAM, P4 Mobile 3.06G HT, Intel 82852/5 Graphics
Asio4all driver for AC97 :o)
MP off MP on
46.6---------28-------27
23.2---------30-------30
11.6---------39-------35
5.8----------47-------46
2.9----------68-------64
1.5----------84-------79
I was surprised to get this low with the AC97 - the asio4all driver is a real find. I typically use it at 5.8 and it doesn't sound too bad for mixing on the move.
Cliff Speight
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/08 12:25:17
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My system:
Dual AMD Opteron 246 2.0 GHz
Tyan Tiger K8W Motherboard (AmiBIOS 1.03)
AMD 8111/8151 Chipset
1 GB Registered DDR400 Memory
1 Maxtor 40 GB 7200 RPM ATA133 HD
1 Maxtor 160 GB 7200 RPM ATA133 HD
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro AGP 4X
Delta 1010 .27 drivers
UAD-1 (2) 3.5.1 software/drivers
Windows XP Pro
Sonar 3.1.1
MP Enabled:
46.4 17%
23.2 18%
11.6 20%
5.8 24%
2.9 33%
1.5 56%
MP Disabled:
46.4 28%
23.2 31%
11.6 35%
5.8 37%
2.9 49%
1.5 68%
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/13 19:47:14
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Okay boys and girls, just updated my system from a standard Intel P4 3.2 ghz to the new P4 3.2 ghz Extreme Edition. Below is the data:
First, I ran the complete test again with my standard 3.2ghz P4. I used the ASIO driver in my Tascam FW-1884. I installed the EE, and ran the same test with the same driver:
P4 3.2 ghz---------P4 3.2ghz Extreme Edition
46.4: 25%----------------24%
23.2: 26%----------------26%
11.6: 32%----------------29%
5.8: 41%----------------36%
2.9: 61%----------------50%
1.5: Won't engage.------81%
There appears to be a significant improvement at the lower latencies. I ran this test immediately after installing the chip. I will run it awhile and report what happens..
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/14 06:56:47
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The chart has been updated with P4EE and Opteron 246 results. -S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/20 14:09:25
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I'd really love to see some dual xeon numbers.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/20 14:11:52
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ORIGINAL: deiseldave
I'd really love to see some dual xeon numbers.
Me too! Anyone??
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/21 03:10:20
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Hi Scott,
Thank You for puting together a "real" test that will no doubt influnence my next purchase.
Using ASIO Drivers
46.4.....49
23.2.....54
11.6.....63
5.8......85
2.9......WNR
1.5......WNR
1.8 P4
2X 120gb Seagate Barracudas 7400 RPM
1 gb RAM
Delta 1010 V.42 driver
Dave
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 13:17:16
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Just wanted to say thanks to Scott and everyone who posted for this thread. I'm just about to order a new system and this has helped me out a lot. If anyone cares to second-guess my hardware, I'd be much obliged. I posted the shopping list in the gear forum. Click: yep's new computer If you care to set me straight before I cough up the dough. Either way, I will post my own results as soon as I get the new machine up and running... Cheers.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 13:59:35
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Yep, Definitely get the K8NS Pro instead of the K8N Pro. This one has the new nForce3 250 chipset. I've built a couple of systems with it so far, and it's a winner. -S ORIGINAL: yep
Just wanted to say thanks to Scott and everyone who posted for this thread. I'm just about to order a new system and this has helped me out a lot. If anyone cares to second-guess my hardware, I'd be much obliged. I posted the shopping list in the gear forum.
Click:
yep's new computer
If you care to set me straight before I cough up the dough. Either way, I will post my own results as soon as I get the new machine up and running...
Cheers.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 14:11:51
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Hey Scott,
Just out of curiousity, would Yep get any better performance with the Athlon 64 3400+ ? Also, is there anything new on the horizon that you know of?
Oh, I also appreciate this post...........it has helped me a bunch.
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Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 14:19:15
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The 3400+ bumps the clockspeed up from 2.0GHz to 2.2GHz. It's definitely faster, although quite a bit more expensive, as it is the bleeding edge (other than the AthlonFX series). Socket939 Athlon64s with dual-channel memory controllers are coming in about a month. We'll see what impact this has. Current AthlonFX and Opteron CPUs have dual channel memory controllers... but they all require registered memory, which takes a small latency hit. Socket939 CPUs with dual channel controllers should be the fastest choice yet when they arrive. -S ORIGINAL: EbonyFunk
Hey Scott,
Just out of curiousity, would Yep get any better performance with the Athlon 64 3400+ ? Also, is there anything new on the horizon that you know of?
Oh, I also appreciate this post...........it has helped me a bunch.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 14:24:54
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Hey, I expect Sonar to arrive Monday or Tuesday. My dual Xeon system is ready. http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=132372 The first thing I will do is run the test. But my question is; where is the actual bottleneck on the computer system as it pertains to a DAW? Is it the bus speed? Is it the transfer of hard drive data? Is it the Ram speed? I know it isnt the processor speed! By all accounts, if I am running a dual 2.4G Xeon with a 533 FSB the entire system will be slower than a single 2.4 P4 system with a 800 FSB. Thanks for any tips...
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 14:30:27
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The first thing I will do is run the test. But my question is; where is the actual bottleneck on the computer system as it pertains to a DAW? It mostly comes down to bus speed, bus architecture, and memory controller architecture. The Xeons have a slower bus than the high end P4s (533MHz vs 800MHz). They also share a single bus between multiple CPUs... amplifying the impact of having a slower bus. With Opteron, the bus speed is the same as Athlon64/FX, each CPU gets its own independent bus, and the memory controller is actually on the CPU... eliminating the middle man to the memory. -S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 14:30:31
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Scott and all-
thanks for the advice!
Will definitely check out the Kn8S Mobo.
And, yeah, the Athlon64 3200 isn't bleeding edge, but seems to have a comfortable spot at the price/performance knee, which is what I'm looking for. My 3-year-old 1.5gHz P4 is definitely starting to sag under the weight of some of the newer plugins...
Cheers.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 14:40:32
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If other devices run slower than the FSB wouldnt they be the bottleneck? Why isnt the transfer of data from the hard drive to the sound card the biggest bottleneck?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 14:40:36
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ORIGINAL: yep
Scott and all-
thanks for the advice!
Will definitely check out the Kn8S Mobo.
And, yeah, the Athlon64 3200 isn't bleeding edge, but seems to have a comfortable spot at the price/performance knee, which is what I'm looking for. Yeah... the 3200+ is a good value for money. My 3-year-old 1.5gHz P4 is definitely starting to sag under the weight of some of the newer plugins... If you are coming from a 1.5GHz P4... you are in for a real treat. -S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 14:47:30
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ORIGINAL: Scott Reams
If you are coming from a 1.5GHz P4... you are in for a real treat.
-S
Yeah, I reckon so. I'm a pretty good recording guy, but a pretty mediocre computer guy, so once I get a system working, I am really loathe to alter it (I had Sonar 3 in a box for months before i actually installed it...). But I have the impression that many of the newer systems are a lot less finicky then the old ones used to be, and thanks to your help, I expect a pretty smooth transition. Best Regards, yep
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 17:51:28
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Anyone tried the Albatron K8X800 ProII
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/23 19:27:40
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Scott and all,
Does it matter that Yep purchased a "matched pair" of Corsair memory sticks? I just purchased two 1Gb Corsair memory sticks -- individually; not a pair -- for a dual-proc K8W mobo. Tyan's website recommends them but, given the price, I'm not so sure they're optimal. Hope I didn't screw up.
Any advice is appreciated.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/24 14:26:01
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Anyone know if the Asus SK8N is compatable with the UAD1?
Thanks,
berry
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Scott Reams
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/24 14:49:28
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ORIGINAL: berry thomas
Anyone know if the Asus SK8N is compatable with the UAD1?
Thanks,
berry
I believe the nForce3 chipset is compatible in general. It's probably a safe bet. -S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/24 18:13:34
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Scott Reams, Check this thread if you haven't already. Mr Tankersly is giving you some deserved props. Scott
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/25 03:31:40
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Scott Reams,
Check this thread if you haven't already. Mr Tankersly is giving you some deserved props.
Scott
Thanks. I just posted to that thread... interesting stuff. -S
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Nate
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/25 07:12:20
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46.4ms........1225%
23.2ms........1227%
11.6ms........1230-1231%
5.8ms..........1335-1337%
2.9ms..........1543-1546%
1.5ms..........1862-1867% I assume everyone missed the real genius behind this....Glennbo has actually overclocked a Pentium to produce 1762% more CPU Cycle effciency than is actually installed in his computer. It also means he has sekretly overcome the buss issue prevalent on all motherboards today. Amazing...I'm surprised everyone missed that.
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sammyp
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/26 22:00:20
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hi i've had my daw for 2 months now. the computer end of things is the most confusing for me. here's my system as i understand it. amd, athlon 3000+, 2.16 512 ram, 160 gig . sonar 3 pe, delta 1010 lt. i performed the test but my latency slider (even when i move it) stays/reverts back to 11.6. even when i move the slider the number - 11.6 does not change. it seems i can only test at 11.6. the result was spot on scott's graph - amd green line 44% - 49%. can someone explain what this is all about. what is "overclocking the cpu"? i have optimized xp home ed. for audio according to specs i read in eq mags. etc. things really cleared up when i set hardware acceleration to "none". is there anything i can do to this machine besides get more ram? edit: asio drivers.
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wogg
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/26 22:14:57
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Sammy,
In ASIO mode you need to adjust the latency by changing the DMA buffer size in the Delta control panel.
As for overclocking, that's forcing a processor to run at a faster clock rate than it was spec'ed at by the manufacturer. Fun to try, but easy to lose stability. I wouldn't mess with it on something as important as your DAW.
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sammyp
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/26 22:25:27
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yes wogg, greenkid had the same question. here are my results 46.4 = 35%, 23.2 = 38%, 11.6 = 46%, 5.8 = 60%, 2.9 = 91%, 1.5 = audio stopped. based on my 2.16, 512 ram which setting should i go with? default is 512 samples = 11.6. as i read on in this forum, i notice people talking about bouncing tracks. isn't this why i bought a computer and sonar so i wouldn't have to bounce tracks?
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yep
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest
2004/05/27 07:07:47
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ORIGINAL: sammyp
...as i read on in this forum, i notice people talking about bouncing tracks. isn't this why i bought a computer and sonar so i wouldn't have to bounce tracks?
If you use that computer as a straight audio recorder like a tape machine, with no effects, softsynths, etc, then I am sure that your computer will handle well over 100 simultaneous tracks at very low latency. So if that's why you bought Sonar, fear not, you shall never have to bounce audio again. BUT if you want to use your computer to do stuff that a tape recorder can't do, like actually generate sounds and effects... that stuff can be pretty demanding, especially if you want to run more complicated (read better-sounding) reverbs, synthesizers, virtual instruments, etc. This test is, if I'm not mistaken, deliberately designed to strain exactly those processing and synthesis capabilities pretty aggressively, not to test how many tracks you could record. FWIW, anyway. Cheers.
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