ramscapri


Thanks for the new video ! Looks good !


But doesnt mention anything about unrestricted color customization for all views including console view. Is that feature now updated to be like in previous versions like Sonar 7 OR does it continue to be restricted like in Sonar X1 ?

Color customization is the same as X1. However, we did tweak the GUI a bit with new clips in the Clips Pane, a new Matrix View GUI, and some other tweaks.


SP

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Jimbo 88

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asimmd


I wonder if MP3 export will be included?

Why? I don't want to pay for it again in this upgrade. I've already bought it from them.

I'm not sure what you are saying here....but just for the record, once you buy the MP3 encoder you need not buy it again.  You will be able to export MP3s in all your updates.  You might have to re-paste your serial #.

Right and I was replying to 'asimmd' wondering if it would be included in X2.
 
Those of us who have purchased it prior would be buying it again.

The MP3 encoder is not included with X2. However, those of you who have purchased it in the past can use it in X2. There's no need to purchase it again.


SP

ramscapri

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

ramscapri


Thanks for the new video ! Looks good !


But doesnt mention anything about unrestricted color customization for all views including console view. Is that feature now updated to be like in previous versions like Sonar 7 OR does it continue to be restricted like in Sonar X1 ?

Color customization is the same as X1. However, we did tweak the GUI a bit with new clips in the Clips Pane, a new Matrix View GUI, and some other tweaks.


SP

What about the console view ? Will it still remain the same grey as in X1 or will we now have the option of changing the colors of the console strips as we could in previous versions like Sonar 7 ? Also the colors of the track strips in the track view ?

AFAIK the color customization is the same as X1. Unfortunately, I can't really offer any more insight than that.


SP

I wonder if it's possible to use external inserts in prochannel effectchains?

RogerH


I wonder if it's possible to use external inserts in prochannel effectchains?

+lots
Holy crap, me too. 
EI in a PC FX Chain would be super cool.


Dean

Wow, he has his sampling rate set to 384000. Time for a bigger hard drive!

Subjacent


My only concearn, is the missing info on this long awaited Automation, the drawing still looks the same to me, not looking good from what i can see, still looks a mess, okay we have the automation lanes which Iam looking forward too and I cant wait for that, but as of yet we have no clues about the new drawing modes, i just hope automation drawing works a lot better and coping and duplicating etc actually works as it should, this was the main area that has kept me from not overlly bothering with Sonar,It was not nice to use.
Cakewalk is their more to come ?, or is it just what we have seen in these 2 videos, just really need to know more about the automation, not that their are not some great improvemenst' yes!,
But does automation now do what it is suppose to  ?

Thanks

If you were to enumerate specifics in more detail than "do what its supposed to" that means different things to different people, I'd be happy to comment.

There are massive changes to automation in several areas -  engine, rendering, recording, editing, and drawing. Here are just a few highlights off the top of my head - I'll do a more detailed overview sometime later:
Drawing:

• Automation preview now looks exactly the same as the recorded result and draws shapes instead of just points. 
• Envelope drawing s more polished with rounded nodes and is much easier to view. 
• Drawing now adaptively thins dense automation data based on the zoom, making it much easier to see.

Rendering/Recording:

• Automation recording and freehand/line drawing shape smoothing algorithms have been rewritten to create simpler more accurate shapes that represent the fader movements accurately, without creating a mess of nodes. This makes later editing a lot simpler.
• Jump automation is now created and rendered more accurately 
• Three  automation record modes. Touch (default), Overwrite, Latch.
• Automation write obeys the record mode.
• Quickly automation write enable and record specific synth params by setting the param in  the edit filter and then write enabling. No need to open the synth rack for this. 
• Quickly record single synth params using automation lanes

Editing:

• Massive changes and usability improvements to all automation edit tools including the smart tool, draw tool and cut tool
• Edit filter organization has been improved with fxchains and prochannel automation within submenus.
• Submenus containing parameters that have envelopes are highlit and these params are listed at the top of the submenu for quick access
• Holding down shift while mousing over a ghosted envelope shows its parameter description 
• New automation time base setting. Select between absolute(sample based) and musical time for envelopes.
• Nodes can be entered with a single click now
• Add nodes and move them in a single gesture without letting go of the mouse. Big workflow time saver.
• New smart snap searchback mode while editing automation nodes. Holding down the ctrl key while moving a node will snap its vertical position to prior horizantal sections on the envelope. Earlier nodes at the same vertical position highlight as you move the node allowing you to quickly match gain values. This is a great new feature that makes it easy to do quick accurate edits to an envelope, aligning one node with a prior horizontal section of the curve.
• Shelf tool is always accessible via smart tool and allows quick gain changes to a selected region of automation across multiple tracks or buses
• New automation line draw tool. Convenient for drawing in linear ramps
• Easy access to clip gain in the smart tool via click and drag
• Vastly improved selection mechanism throughout the application makes it much easier to select automation and other data types.
• Select and edit nodes across multiple tracks  or buses simultaneously
• Bus selection improvements making it easier to select and edit automation on buses.
• Tooltips display improvements via a new control. Tooltips on envelopes no longer flicker while dragging.
• New overloaded gestures for smart tool for time based selection vs lasso selection. Horizontally drag selects time ranges and right click drag does lasso (data) selection.
• Automation nodes are now automatically selected while doing region selections allowing quick node deletion   
• Advanced quickgrouping. Many new quick groupable gestures. Almost any operation can be quickgrouped allowing for quickly manipulating multiple related parameters across multiple tracks or buses. Quickgrouped operations are  recorded when automation record is active.
• Cut copy and paste have been reworked for envelopes. You can freely copy paste automation between tracks, instruments and buses. 

Lanes:

• Feature too big to detail here... 
• Allows any automation param to display in a discrete lane. 
• Has a slider for quick access to the parameter - great for quickly manipulating a synth parameter, write enabling and recording it.

A few misc non automation related features:

Full undo and redo support for bus deletion! Saves and restores the routing of all tracks to a bus.
Full undo redo support for prochannel module deletion
New bus module in inspector allows changing bus automation properties and create bus description


And a lot more... 

Bad description. I was referring to the new behavior we have for lasso selection vs  time selection.
Time selection is now achieved by click and drag. Lasso selection is done via right click and drag.

This list is not even the tip of the iceberg. We have documents that are many pages long for just  just the automation and editing features :)

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

ramscapri


Thanks for the new video ! Looks good !


But doesnt mention anything about unrestricted color customization for all views including console view. Is that feature now updated to be like in previous versions like Sonar 7 OR does it continue to be restricted like in Sonar X1 ?

Color customization is the same as X1. .


SP

 
I am sad.  Color is prolly the number one complaint. And it has been ignored?
 
The console view uses a slightly less grey for the selected bus. This is a time waster.
 
The selected bus has never been obvious. Why??????
 
How is this acceptable for the greatest DAW on earth????
 
Changes to colors of track folders,... will improve speed-of-use significantly.
 
Sad.

The interleave button should be like it was in 8.5.3: single for mono, double for stereo.

X1 with double always and blue or not, is not good. A different image is a quicker read.

Mod Bod


Polarity

Thank you for using the "proper" word.

RogerH

Mod Bod


Just noticed that the Interleave and Polarity buttons seem to be missing from the Console View.

yes, but not on all tracks.....strange

Phase and Interleave are still there in every console strip, just not when the strip is in Narrow Mode, which is probably what you saw a lot of in the video. When in Wide mode, the strips show both controls. And of course they show up in the Inspector strip, as well.


SP

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

RogerH

Mod Bod


Just noticed that the Interleave and Polarity buttons seem to be missing from the Console View.

yes, but not on all tracks.....strange

Phase and Interleave are still there in every console strip, just not when the strip is in Narrow Mode, which is probably what you saw a lot of in the video. When in Wide mode, the strips show both controls. And of course they show up in the Inspector strip, as well.


SP

 
In the video (0:47) some of the buttons are missing in some tracks, and they are not in narrow mode 
  
  
 

RogerH

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

RogerH

Mod Bod


Just noticed that the Interleave and Polarity buttons seem to be missing from the Console View.

yes, but not on all tracks.....strange

Phase and Interleave are still there in every console strip, just not when the strip is in Narrow Mode, which is probably what you saw a lot of in the video. When in Wide mode, the strips show both controls. And of course they show up in the Inspector strip, as well.


SP

 
In the video (0:47) some of the buttons are missing in some tracks, and they are not in narrow mode 
  
  
 

Those are Instrument Tracks (Track Icons might be a giveaway ) which  don't have Phase or Interleave buttons, IIRC. The other two tracks that have them are audio tracks.


SP

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

RogerH

Mod Bod


Just noticed that the Interleave and Polarity buttons seem to be missing from the Console View.

yes, but not on all tracks.....strange

Phase and Interleave are still there in every console strip, just not when the strip is in Narrow Mode, which is probably what you saw a lot of in the video. When in Wide mode, the strips show both controls. And of course they show up in the Inspector strip, as well.


SP

Thanks for the clarification.