Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? Now with Session Drummer 2 Issues.

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Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? Now with Session Drummer 2 Issues.

Okay, I am totally new to home recording... for the most part. I have one simple question: What is the best/easiest way to add simple drum tracks to Sonar LE? I have 8.5, if that matters. I'm thinking some kind of free plugin/add-on? At this point, I am not looking for anything fancy or too overwhelming (I was messing around with DropZone, but, for me, right now, that seems a bit complex). I'm just looking to do some simple demos to send to a friend. I'm pretty good with getting going by reading, so maybe just a suggestion or nudge to a certain program. Thanks.

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/21 13:57:24 (permalink)
    Cakewalk's Session Drummer 2 is available as a download for $9.99 right now. It's been my standard for a few years, and at that price, it's a no-brainer.
    It has plenty of basic patterns to get you started, and you can also build your own drum tracks (as MIDI tracks) inside Sonar LE.
    For some examples of what it sounds like, check my Soundclick page.
    Strolling with the reaper and Stiletto boots use SD patterns.
    Celebration and Donna Michelle feature drum tracks played using a keyboard.
    Hope that helps.

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/21 14:19:57 (permalink)
    Ah, thanks, this is probably what I'm looking for. I will definitely check out your page on my lunch break and video on the Cakewalk site.

    Again, forgive my complete ignorance, but this program would be easily integrated with Sonar LE? It will come up the same way DropZone does?
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/21 14:40:41 (permalink)
    Yes, you insert it as a VST in Sonar LE. The procedure is the same for all VSTi's (virtual instruments). Once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy.
    Read the help files included with Sonar LE. It's a fairly deep program, and the help files will answer many questions you will have. I know it's a bit daunting at first, but take your time, and learn it little by little.
    I've been doing this five years, and still learn new things all the time.
    Keep it fun, and don't be afraid to ask questions.

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/21 15:37:54 (permalink)
    I listened to your songs and watched the video and it sounds and looks like what I need... just to do simple AC/DC-type of stuff. Thanks for the head's up on the price.

    So, I don't actually need a MIDI keyboard to trigger anything, correct? I can just create patterns and drop them into Sonar LE?
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/22 12:55:18 (permalink)
    That's correct. You don't absolutely need a keyboard, but as you get farther into this, you may want to get one.
    You can create your own drum tracks using the Piano Roll View in Sonar.
    Insert SD2 and select:
    MIDI Source Track
    First Synth Audio Output (or alternatively All Synth Audio Outputs-Stereo)
    Synth Property Page (this is the GUI)
    In the SD2 GUI, select a Program (this is the drum set you will be playing, and you won't get sound until a program is loaded).
    In your MIDI Source track, select Drum Map as the Output, and select Session Drummer 2 from the dropdown menu.
    In your toolbar, click Views>Piano Roll.
    You should see the Piano Roll with names for all of the drums.
    Select the draw tool, and click on the PRV grid where you want drums to sound.
    After a bit of practice, it should start to make sense.
    The drum track in Black Wind was entered this way (it uses a different synth, but the idea is the same).


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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/22 23:11:49 (permalink)
    I picked up the Session Drummer 2 software and I got a Korg NanoKey... I've never owned a midi controller before, so I figured I'd start small and cheap and upgrade in the future if it turns out to be "my thing."

    Thanks for the tips! I've been reading the elusive Session Drummer 2 manual since I found it in one of the folders (F1 doesn't work for some reason). Just gotta figure out how to get Session Drummer to recognize the midi controller... I've been messing around with the M1 Le that came as a free download with the NanoKey and it's kinda fun.

    Starting small...
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 00:12:31 (permalink)
    Okay, I think I followed your instructions fairly well. However, when I select a kit as my output, my MIDI controller stops working. Is there a way to use the MIDI controller in the piano roll view or should I be doing something else since I have a MIDI controller.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 03:12:45 (permalink)
    Ugh, maybe it's because I'm new to Sonar overall, but it seems like there is a bunch of stuff that just doesn't work like it should. Why is everything so difficult in this program? Even something as simple as dragging a drum pattern is a ridiculous task. I play a pattern in Session Drummer, drag it into one of the audio tracks and the pattern plays correctly once. I try to stretch it out and the second time around it's missing drums and just kinda dies... every time.

    Editing patterns in Piano Roll seems impossible. I can't zoom. It doesn't seem to save any of the changes I make in Session Drummer. I can see the velocity, but not edit it. If I play a pattern or fill then that pattern is stuck in the Piano Roll and I can't see it or edit it, but it always plays. Most importantly, there doesn't seem to be a way to change the tempo.

    I don't know, maybe this whole thing is just way over my head. I just wanna add a simple drum beat, some guitar and bass and that's it. I used to have an Alesis drum machine and I was creating beats and patterns and programming entire songs the first night I had it... this this just seems like it was designed to anger people by not being straightforward.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 05:37:59 (permalink)
    I've never used Session drummer, but like in all sample based drum VSTs I've used, I suppose you should drag the beats to the MIDI track, not audio track. If you want a clip to repeat when stretched, you must turn it into a Groove Clip first.

    I've never used LE, but those problems you describe seem very strange to me. I've never witnessed nor read about such. You haven't given us you PC and soundcard specs, that's usually the basic info when asking questions.

    I hope an experienced SD2 user chimes in.

    Here's a link to a SOS article about SD2. Maybe there's some additional help
    http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr07/articles/sonarworkshop_0407.htm

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 12:54:33 (permalink)
    Good article. I think I have the basics down of how to use the Session Drummer 2 program itself, as I have owned drum machines before. My problem is just getting it (the drums) to work in Sonar LE in various forms. Before I start trying to edit my own patterns, I wanted to drop some of the preset patterns into Sonar and mess around with it in order to get the feel of how it works... maybe do some editing or cutting and pasting, looping, etc. However, what was/is frustrating to me is I can't even drop a beat into Sonar other than the first four bars.

    Inserting a track:
    1. Use MIDI track. Check.

    2. Turn into Groove Clip... ah, this I need to figure out.

    As for Piano Roll:
    1. I click on Zoom Tool and it doesn't seem to do anything. Obviously this would be very handy for Snapping to Grids and actually seeing more than a tiny square.

    2. Anything I adjust in Session Drummer, doesn't seem to carry over once I get into Piano Roll mode. For example, I crank up the velocity on the cowbell in Session Drummer 2, insert the kit, view it in Piano Roll and the velocity of every drum reads the same all the way across, even though, in Session Drummer, the cowbell is obviously at a higher velocity compared the other other drums. Perhaps I need to save the adjustments first? Maybe I'm not inserting the kit correctly?

    3. I do not see a way to change tempo in Piano Roll mode (or in Session Drummer), or in general.

    4. Also, and this is probably because I was doing something incorrectly, when I had a kit inserted in Piano Roll mode I would hit play and hear the first four bars, but not see any drums mapped anywhere.

    As for my computer specs, I just have a lower end Toshiba Satellite: AMD Sempron SI-42 2.10 GHz processor 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM (8 GB max. supported) 250 GB SATA hard drive, DVD RW DL drive ATI Radeon 3100 graphics Integrated audio with built-in stereo speakers.

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 20:28:23 (permalink)
    Ok, you have lots of questions.
    First, don't panic. You have stepped into some fairly complex software. Sonar LE doesn't have the fancy stuff, but it is still Sonar. Most of us felt like we were in over our head at first. It gets better, really.
    I'm going to try and pick off your questions one at a time.
    If anything is not clear, please ask more questions.
    Your biggest hinderance is that LE does not have the documentation and tutorials that other versions have.
    1. Insert SD2 (or any soft synth) with a MIDI Source Track, and at least the First Synth Audio Output.
    Think of SD2 as an external sound module.
    The MIDI Source track sends data to the synth (SD2).
    The Synth Audio Output is a return. This is how the sound from the synth gets to Sonar.
    When you drag your patterns from SD2, drag them to the MIDI track.
    Whichever pattern is hilighted (A-H) will be the one that is dragged in.
    2. You don't need to convert the patterns to groove clips. They already are. Note the corners are clipped. This is a visual cue that the clip (pattern) is a groove clip, or loop. Hover your cursor over the right edge, click, hold, and drag to the right. You will see the pattern repeat.
    PRV questions:
    1.I'm not sure about the zoom tool, but at the lower right corner of the PRV, you should see magnifying glass icons with(-+). Click on these to expand the view horizontally and/or vertically.
    2.Velocity and volume are not the same thing. Volume affects overall loudness. Velocity affects timbre, and is essentially how hard you hit the notes. You can adjust the volume in the GUI. Click on the drum icons in the GUI, starting at the bottom, and move up. Do you hear how the sound changes? That's velocity. Velocity comes from the MIDI data being sent to the synth from the MIDI track.
    In the PRV, find the toolbar icon for Show Controller Pane, and click that. The PRV will show a split view, with the notes at the top, and velocities at the bottom. Expand the PRV horizontally, so you can easily discern the indivudual notes. Select the Draw tool, and drag across the velocity lines.
    3. You don't change tempo in the PRV, or any individual instrument. Think about that for a minute.
    If you have several instruments in a project, would you want to change the tempo on only one?
    The tempo is changed on a project level.
    You can change it using the BPM in the transport, or the tempo tool.
    4.It's possible you have scrolled out of range. The drums are a limitted set. Do you have the SD2 Drum Map selected as the output of your MIDI track?
    I realize that's a lot to absorb. Take your time, and if you need clarification on anything, don't be afraid to ask

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 22:11:41 (permalink)
    I might as well go to the pawn shop and buy an old school four-track because this is never going to work. If I can't figure out how to insert and loop a drum beat, I imagine I am going to have major problems down the road.

    Here are my questions: Does it matter which MIDI channel I put the drum beat in? I've been launching with the template that has one audio and one MIDI track. Then when I insert the synth I use MIDI Source Track and First Synth Audio Output, which creates two more tracks.

    Does the color of the track matter? It is always orange when I insert it. I noticed in the tutorial video it was blue.

    I am 99% percent sure I am dropping the beat into the track properly. I've read about seven articles on how to do it, I've tried everything you've said, and I've watched two videos.

    Just tried it again with the exact same result... the drum beat in not the same tempo as the Session Drummer sample. Like it, literally, sounds like a drummer falling asleep and just kinda halfway hitting random drums. Why would it even do this????? That is the most frustrating part.

    Then, if the tempo is correct/beat is the same, its only works for the length of the sample once, then "dies" again in the loop. This makes no sense whatsoever.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 22:12:45 (permalink)
    Also, I really appreciate the help.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 22:51:35 (permalink)
    All right, maybe this will help...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTQ3EKWhRtw

    If I am doing something stupidly wrong, feel free to tell me. As you can see when I play the beat, it is not the same as the sample beat in Session Drummer 2. Well, maybe it's the same, but definitely not the same speed. Is this some kind of tempo or BPM issue? Also, sometimes the beat will play at the proper speed until I stretch it out for the loop... then it gets all wonky. Again, feel free to call me out if I am missing something very obvious.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/23 23:23:43 (permalink)
    Make sure you are dragging the clip to the MIDI track associated with SD2.
    The color doesn't matter. It is arbitrarily generated.
    The tempo problem you are describing has me a bit baffled. Everything should be locked to the project tempo(BPM).
    Have you been able to drag the loop out so it repeats? You should see a visual representation in the MIDI track.
    Also, hit the stop button in the SD2 GUI( I forgot that part)
    I'm going to have to sleep on this. We're missing something basic, but I'm not sure what it is.
    In the meantime, trace your signal path. Let me know what you see ( or don't see)

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/24 01:16:22 (permalink)
    What exactly do you mean by trace signal path?

    In the video I posted, as you can see, I just opened the program and tried to insert the beat. I didn't mess with any BPM settings. I'm about to head to sleep, too (I'll try again tomorrow), but if it is a BPM issue, does that mean the Session Drummer 2 is just generating a random BPM with the samples?
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/24 01:56:32 (permalink)
    One small thing:
    You don't need to have any tracks for the soft dynth you're about to insert. When you insert soft synth, the tracks are created.

    That tempo-mess sounds really weird. How it sounded on the video played back in the track view was like a crazy quantization or a snap-to-grid setting gone crazy.

    You say you can't change the tempo. What happens if you write the new tempo on SONARs tempo pane?
    Is the projects Meter/Key-signature  set to 4/4?

    Missing midi-notes are sometimes due to a setting in "Midi buffers>prepare using ***." Raising the buffer size keeps the notes
    audible. But I don't think that's the cure in your case.

    Your soundcard (the lack of a proper one) could be a part of the problem, but most likely  it's not the actual cause. 

    You mention "max. 8 Gb RAM supported" You're not using a 64 bit OS, are you?

    Are your Recording and Playback Timing Masters the same?




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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/24 08:38:56 (permalink)
    I'm not even sure what 64 Bit OS means in the technical sense... I am running Windows 7.

    Where do I check Recording and Playback Timing Masters? I haven't even recorded anything yet.

    Also, I wouldn't think it would be the low-end sound card... all of the drum sounds work just fine in the Session Drummer. Sounds really good with headphones, too.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/24 20:47:47 (permalink)
    Here's another video...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkTAUG6jkjI

    The first bars play correctly, but when the first looped section starts it just kinda "dies." Then I scoot it over and it plays with nothing there. I have no idea what is going on here.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/24 22:38:11 (permalink)
    Anyone?

    Two things I've noticed... I just inserted a beat, it only played the very first cymbal crash, then nothing, but the noise meters were still bouncing.

    Also, it seems to be playing off of those white dots if i move the beat around.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/24 23:15:07 (permalink)
    Sorry to keep posting so much, but I am really trying to figure this out on my own. I'm getting antsy.

    Anyway, it is definitely a sound issue, not a tempo issue. I just inserted a beat, and it played correctly the first time, but on the loop it only played the snare drum. I deleted the tracks and went back into Session Drummer, but couldn't get any sounds. Additionally, after I deleted the track, I could hit a key on my MIDI controller and see the sound levels jump up, but no sound.

    Also, I completely uninstalled and reinstalled both Sonar and the Session Drummer. Nothing changed.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/24 23:38:42 (permalink)
    I just got home from work a little while ago. I've been checking out your video's.
    In the first video, I can see that you are inserting SD2 correctly.
    It almost seems that the MIDI data is not being sent to the synth properly. Kalle may be onto something with the 64 bit question. I am running XP (32 bit) and cannot cause what you are experiencing to happen.
    I replicated your project using the same kit and pattern. What I can't replicate is the OS.
    The specs for SD2 indicate it is compatible with Vista x64, so theoretically, that should cary over to W7, I would think.
    The second video really shows the problem.
    At 0:36(when the track is playing to what appears to be nothing), the pattern is playing inside the SD2 GUI. It will do this, if the Play button is still engaged. But as the Now Time marker moves into the MIDI loops in the track, most of the notes are missing. The ones that do play appear to be at the correct time, but many are clearly not playing, most notably the kick drum.
    You might want to post this in the Cakewalk Instrument forum. Maybe we can get some more eyes on the problem.
    This should be a fairly easy program to work with, and I'm sorry to see that it is behaving this way for you.
    When you re-installed Sonar, did you see an option to install as 32 or 64 bit?
    It seems the key is getting all of the MIDI data to the synth, and at the moment, I am at a loss as to why that is not happening.

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/25 01:04:27 (permalink)
    On the bright side, at least it's not me. Like I said, I'm very good at reading and learning, but this was just frustrating me. However, the free time is giving me time to mess around with the NanoKey, which is fun.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/25 01:12:08 (permalink)
    Also, I am running 32-bit.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/25 13:15:41 (permalink)
    I notice that you drag the clip into the track settings area.  Try just dragging it into the track.  I don't know if that'll make any difference or not, but it's worth a try.

    Might also be worth checking the drum map to make sure it's not on some convoluted set up (not likely but possible).

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/25 13:52:35 (permalink)
    I've dragged the clip into the track, too. Same result. It tends to jump over when I do that, so that's I threw it in the track settings area.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/25 15:57:19 (permalink)
    So I may have hit on part of the problem, and Robert alluded to it earlier.  When you have SD open and you hit play it will play whatever loop is loaded in SD if the 'play' button (|>) is lit up.   If you leave SD open you can see it playing.  After you drag the loop over press the 'stop' button in SD so it's not lit up.  (And yes, I think that's a little quirk but not a big deal and maybe a good reason to do it that way.)

    So, when you have the start bar at the start of your loop BOTH the midi track and the SD drum loop are playing so it sounds louder if they line up then softer after the SD stops playing its loop.
    post edited by jhughs - 2010/09/25 16:00:19

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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/25 16:29:23 (permalink)
    I don't think it is that; I've tried it both ways. Also, it doesn't seem to be playing ot the inserted loop at all... it;s play to those little white dots. I can drag the loop way to the right and it will still immediately play instead of waiting until it scrolls over the inserted pattern.

    Here's the really messed up part... I installed both Sonar LE 8.5 and Session Drummer 2 on my other computer (running Windows XP) and the exact same results. This is seriously driving me nuts. Why would this even happen at all? Maybe I have defective software.
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    Re:Newbie Question - Best Way to Add Drums to Sonar LE? 2010/09/25 17:19:51 (permalink)
    Hmmm, I think you missed my point.  When you drag the clip to the right and it still starts to play even when it's not to the clip then that's exactly what I'm talking about.  Watch the SD window and you see it start to play.  Now try pressing the stop button in the SD window (the button with a square on it).  Now press the space bar to start Sonar playing and you won't hear the loop until it reaches the clip on your track.

    I tried doing a screen capture video to show you but it didn't come out well.  So give that a shot and see what happens.

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