No wave editor :(((((

Sonar treats audio editing as manipulation of a clip. You can scale the audio display and select to cut points to the level of a single sample. Not as convenient (especially with built in processing algorithms) as something like Sound Forge maybe, but you can accomplish pretty much the same results manually. Search "audio scaling."

I appears what the OP wants is a pencil tool to draw a sine which Sonar does not have.

sure it does..in filters..edit filters..cant you use the draw tool in there to draw a sine wave?

chuckebaby


sure it does..in filters..edit filters..cant you use the draw tool in there to draw a sine wave?

Better take another look.  I think you are confusing the Notes editor which is midi and an audio editor which SONAR never has possessed.

I do apologize Sonar X1 DOES allow 3rd party wave editors.

And yes Sound forge therefore would work Seamlessly. I guess....... I'll know once I've tried it.

HOWEVER!!!

You do have to get down into the registry of windows to do it.
Follow all 25 steps and its done.

http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013099

Why make it so esoteric?
Why are there 25 steps of a procedure involving registry editing that could have easily be made possible from the preferences of X1? Are they in denial that someone would want to use 3rd party editing software?

here's another link related to using 3rd party tools and

Customizing The Cakewalk Tools Menu

http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/article.asp?ID=2

In my experience Soundforge integration is almost seamless. Sometimes (maybe 25%) I'll finish performing an edit in Soundforge, close it and wait for the "XX file has changed, would you like to update it" box, which never comes.. This was in Sonar 5,6, Haven't needed to do this in X1 yet, maybe it's better now.

A really handy thing would be the ability to right click a clip and reload/replace it with an edited version.

OP, I agree that Audition's built in editor is extremely useful but it's multitrack ability is not a patch on Sonars.

Odd question after all these years. Sonar has never included a wave editor.

Perhaps but Sonar has been around awhile and we have not seen this sort of posting before. At least not with such anger.

dave you are right..i was confusing the note editor.

Try Audacity.

Wilko

splodger


I do apologize Sonar X1 DOES allow 3rd party wave editors.

And yes Sound forge therefore would work Seamlessly. I guess....... I'll know once I've tried it.

HOWEVER!!!

You do have to get down into the registry of windows to do it.
Follow all 25 steps and its done.

http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013099

Why make it so esoteric?
Why are there 25 steps of a procedure involving registry editing that could have easily be made possible from the preferences of X1? Are they in denial that someone would want to use 3rd party editing software?

here's another link related to using 3rd party tools and

Customizing The Cakewalk Tools Menu

http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/article.asp?ID=2

Sound Forge simply showed up under my Utilities menu automatically.  Maybe I had set it up on an older version of Sonar and it carried over - I can't be certain. Generally Sound Forge works seamlessly with X1. I don't need to use it very often, but it's good to have a wavefile editor available is needed.

John-  I am new to Sonar. Anger? Well I guess it's more disappointment, I assumed that the simple task of wave editing and applying effects would be a little easier in such a comprehensive and expensive piece of software.
Don't get me wrong.... X1 is tremendous but that doesn't mean it's perfect..... I guess I'm also a little irritated when I see it wouldn't have been that much of a stretch for Cakewalk to have just turned something like the loop editor into a wave editor. I'm working on a project and am finding the application of effects for selections, unwieldy in X1.

Coda Media- I think the links I posted must be out of date or are just for those having trouble integrating something like Sound Forge. I am now using Sound Forge the same as you guys by clicking on utilities.

Seamlessly?? Well almost, there is no export in SF and sometimes if you leave a clip too long there it seems to complain another source (X1?) has somehow changed it. Not sure why but if you add an effect does X1 periodically save the wavs and so the one in Sound Forge has been reverted? Not sure?? But I guess the way around this is to turn off auto save in X1 or save immediately in Sound Forge after an effect has been added or undone or anything.

OK I'm still not 100% happy but at least it's good to know that a 3rd Party editor can be used without too much hassle.

Oh sure.....Adobe Audition is a neat nifty little bit of kit- it's not resource greedy and is so easy to use but I wouldn't dream of replacing Sonar X1 with it as a multi-track. I sometimes use Adobe to record conversations or rough live jams but for music production it is severely limited. Soft synths and midi in general isn't something that works well in AA.

But the beauty of software is that it IS evolving and many tweaks are often made because of the complaints/anger/frustrations/desires of the paying customer. Even if there is only a tiny percent of people who may be put off purchasing Sonar because of its lack of wave editor, this is still arguable a demographic who would give their money to another DAW that does. (if there is one??)

Freddy H,  This issue is not about recording as a "Master Producer".(what about samples?) It's about the versatility of a software program. Automation for example is not always the preferred way to alter a wave. Alternatives, speed and ease of use must be considerations too.

Sonar X1 attempts to be the final solution for a broad range of music /sound production and seeing as it can actually do everything that sound forge can (or has the code to) for example why don't they set up a pane that allows it? I mean it's not as though you can't use process effects over a selection of a clip in X1.

In short all I am asking for is...... 

                                                    1. A decent customizable effects browser. 
                                                               alongside a                         
                                                    2. A large dedicated wav pane for destructive editing.

Well I know what I am going to put in the suggestion box for X2 he he :)

The damn thing costs enough money and does x y and z under the sun so why not an editor? It doesn't even let you open the wave in other software.

Actually, since you already own Audition you know what a good editor costs. About $350 for AA, IIRC. Do you really expect that to be bundled free with a $500 application?

I'd love to have a simple editor included in SONAR, but in practice I probably would use it rarely if at all. When I reach for an editor (I am also an Audition user) I'm usually doing some kind of advanced remedial operation that run-of-the-mill editors (such as the free Audacity) aren't up to. It's unlikely that any freebie bundled editor is going to offer spectral editing, overs repair or click removal, for example.

As to opening external editors from within SONAR, yes, you can definitely do that. Any editor that accepts a filename on the command line can be used. But whereas Sound Forge apparently just magically appears on the menu, you have to manually set up Audition (or other editors) first. Here's how:

First paste the following into a text file and name it "AA.REG":

----------------------------------- Cut Here -------------------------
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\Tools Menu\Adobe Audition]
"ExePath"="C:\\Program Files\\Adobe\\Adobe Audition 3.0\\Audition.exe"
"StatusBarText"="Audition"
"Type"="WaveEditor"
"MenuText"="Adobe Audition"
---------------------------------- End Cut ---------------------------

First verify that the exe path is correct for your machine and change it if necessary. c:\program files\adobe\adobe audition 3.0\audition.exe will be correct if you accepted the defaults when you installed Audition.

Next, open regedit and go to File -> Import and give it the path to aa.reg.

Audition will now be included on your Tools menu in SONAR. Whenever you want to edit a clip, select it and then choose Audition from the Tools menu.

And a friendly suggestion: try to resist Rant Mode until you've had time to get to know the software you're ranting about.

If you need destructive editing... We used to be able to turn thaqt on/off... so it may yet be available...

But you can edit the file to your heart's content and then simply do a bounce to clip or bounce to track and viola... Your destructive edits applied to the newly created clip...

Not quite the same, but it allows you to go back ANYTIME... ;-)

Keni

splodger
Where the hell is X1's wave editor? The damn thing costs enough money and does x y and z under the sun so why not an editor?

The problem is not that anyone of us can casually get a bit over the top in midst of a heated debate.
The problem is that the claim you made above, jumping into rant mode right from zero, is a totally ungrounded claim, and frankly, from my view a pure load of utter nonsense.

In sharp contrast to what you seem to regard as having to be granted inside of a (any) DAW, there are very good reasons for the fact that programs like Cubase and Wavelab are BOTH big, highly developed and expensive, each full of specialized functionality. It is pure madness, financially and workflow-wise, to expect both in a bundle at a price of one advanced DAW. 

Even if it may be a good idea to have some small, limited wave editor functionlity inside a DAW (without messing up the much more important other functions of the DAW), the only way to debate even that would have been ASKING for it in a very polite and not demanding way. Cakewalk owes you NOTHING of what you demand, and you have not even bought the program, but just co-use it.

Your way of claiming and demanding in the original post is just pathetic, ridiculous and impertinent.
From my view you should better excuse, come down and make a second try in polite asking mode.