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2017/11/22 14:19:25 (permalink)

Nobody is buying Cakewalk

If any of you all think that announcing the end of a company comes BEFORE exploring every option to sell it off is how things are done in the business world, I have a large piece of swampland to sell you.
 
Unless some mysterious benefactor who just heard about this decision yesterday comes forward, it's time to get Sonar in open source.
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 14:23:52 (permalink)
Interesting post given there are people pointing out they've only just bought the product and feel shafted.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 14:43:08 (permalink)
totally agree, james

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 14:44:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Roo Stercogburn 2017/11/22 14:45:55
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If any of you all think that announcing the end of a company comes BEFORE exploring every option to sell it off is how things are done in the business world, I have a large piece of swampland to sell you.
 
Unless some mysterious benefactor who just heard about this decision yesterday comes forward, it's time to get Sonar in open source.


and if you think Gibson is going to open source sonar, you're also fooling yourself.  

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 15:10:47 (permalink)
Well, I never said Gibson would do the cracking! ;)
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 15:13:34 (permalink)
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Well, I never said Gibson would do the cracking! ;)



Its not open source then, its piracy.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 15:14:15 (permalink)
I don't think it's over until it's over. It isn't officially over.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 15:20:26 (permalink)
jamesyoyoit's time to get Sonar in open source.


Won’t happen unless Gibson OK that.

Cakewalk is owned by Gibson both as a company and brand. Therefore Gibson own all Cakewalk’s assets, including the code.

If Gibson end up seeking bankrupty protection, which may happen, giving a way a tangible asset such as Sonar beforehand might get them into all kinds of legal hot water. Even if that asset doesn’t make money at the moment.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 15:28:05 (permalink)
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Well, I never said Gibson would do the cracking! ;)



Its not open source then, its piracy.




AR HAR!

just a sec

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 15:42:09 (permalink)
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Well, I never said Gibson would do the cracking! ;)



Its not open source then, its piracy.



Not that I would, nor do I believe in piracy -- but can you pirate anything from a company that no loner exists?

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 15:43:02 (permalink)
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Well, I never said Gibson would do the cracking! ;)



Its not open source then, its piracy.




AR HAR!


This Gibson pirate is taking all out booty....  

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 15:44:13 (permalink)
Shiver me timbres!
 
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 16:20:33 (permalink)
Piracy is taking something of value from an entity. If that entity no longer exists, hard to get worked up morally about it.
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 16:27:43 (permalink)
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Piracy is taking something of value from an entity. If that entity no longer exists, hard to get worked up morally about it.

Pretty sure there are all kinds of code and rights related to Sonar platinum that are the property of Sonar , You cannot just pirate something because the company no longer operates it.
That's ridiculous

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 16:41:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/11/22 18:19:21
jamesyoyo
If any of you all think that announcing the end of a company comes BEFORE exploring every option to sell it off is how things are done in the business world, I have a large piece of swampland to sell you.


The recent history of the Nik Collection photography software shows that this isn't always the case.  It was around since the 1990s, then bought by Google in 2012 (another big company whose name starts with "G" ).  Google may have just wanted the technology to use for Picasa, but in any case they didn't seem to know what to do with Nik.  First they lowered the price from $500 to $150, then in 2016 they started giving it away for free, and finally in May 2017 they announced there would be no further development of the software.  However, just a few weeks ago there was an announcement that DxO had acquired the software from Google and would be continuing development.
 
If nothing else, it shows that there can be a good outcome in these situations, and that it can come long after the initial announcement.  It would be a long shot for the same to happen with SONAR, but it offers some hope.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 16:46:38 (permalink)
Can we all write to Gibson.  On the negative side, I just bought a Les Paul and feel like returning it.  Gibson needs to realize that this affects their company as a whole.
 
On the positive side:  Perhaps a petition and a request that they provide a longer period of time before exercising this decision as well as paying (perhaps with a fee charged for the product) of Noel and company preparing software that converts bundles to other formats that can be done separate outside of the Sonar program (i.e. its own conversion program?)  I have bundles on hard drives from years ago.
 
We should even offer to help Gibson promote it more.  This is a great program and it should get more purchases in the world.
 
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 16:51:40 (permalink)
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Piracy is taking something of value from an entity. If that entity no longer exists, hard to get worked up morally about it.

Pretty sure there are all kinds of code and rights related to Sonar platinum that are the property of Sonar , You cannot just pirate something because the company no longer operates it.
That's ridiculous

If Gibson goes belly up, who is going to enforce these rights? Or more importantly, who would care?
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 17:05:54 (permalink)
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I am afraid you are right.  I would like to organize a group to bid on Cakewalk, but if the talent all leaves, there is not much there except source code.  Ditto on user base, tho that would be slower.  
 
It may be the case that taking a loss (which is probably small vis-a-vis Gibson's debt load) is more tax efficient.  
 
I have tried to guess at the revenues of Cakewalk.  I do not get a huge number.  I am guessing somewhere in the $5-20MM range.  And with a team of software developers, profits could not be huge.  That guess is likely confirmed by the fact that Gibson must have tried to sell it and found no suitors.
 
Then again, everything has its price.  

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:01:07 (permalink)
Couldn’t agree more, of course Gibson has tried and failed to sell off cakewalk. It’s done and dusted, the offices have closed, the employees are looking for employment.....what is left to buy, some unsupported code?

I hate it as much as you but it is what it is, deal with it, export your wavs ready to import into whatever DAW you choose to move to
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:13:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jarsve 2017/11/25 01:07:41
Gibson is fabulously inept.  I wouldn't be surprised if they barely shopped Cakewalk, or have been forced to hold the assets to pay off creditors for a pending bankruptcy.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:19:13 (permalink)
Or maybe it’s just not a viable product that can support its own cost base?

Two major global corporations have tried and failed. Developers are expensive people to keep fed and watered and it’s pretty obvious the revenue doesn’t support the necessary cost base.

It’s dead as a dodo, I don’t think there could be any clearer message than the offices being closed
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:19:14 (permalink)
Or maybe it’s just not a viable product that can support its own cost base?

Two major global corporations have tried and failed. Developers are expensive people to keep fed and watered and it’s pretty obvious the revenue doesn’t support the necessary cost base.

It’s dead as a dodo, I don’t think there could be any clearer message than the offices being closed
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:20:53 (permalink)
Gibson will hold and protect all of its intellectual property rights on everything it controls until there's a compelling reason to sell/transfer or "other". I'm not holding my breath that another company sees value in an asset that has changed hands numerous times and is still not profitable. 

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:21:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jarsve 2017/11/25 01:09:21
The offices aren't completely closed...........yet. There is a skeleton crew and the servers are still up.When they tell me it's over I'll believe it. Until then, it ain't over.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:23:24 (permalink)
Microsoft and NI are the only companies that could make it profitable.  NI could bake deep integration into NKS and their tools, and Microsoft could make it a Windows Garageband with additional, tiered professional versions.  MS would find a way to bake it into their cloud services and make it profitable.
 
Of the two, only NI sounds palatable.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:24:22 (permalink)
And there is still a future in camera film.....
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:26:52 (permalink)
The servers will be virtual servers in the cloud they may have offered one guy an extra month or something to be available but that will be all
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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:27:08 (permalink)
For "open source" discussion. Such peace of software can not be made open source. Gibson only own cakewalk written part of Sonar. And even then, not all that can be published.
 
"SONAR" as a binary file is a "bus output" mixed from tons of different libraries.
 
For an obvious example, look in your Sonar folder... you will see iZotope_Radius library. Not only this library itself is not a property of CW, but any code which use it (so expose the API) can not be published.
 

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:30:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/11/22 19:26:14
The creditors will eventually become Gibson's new owners.  If the company is dissolved, they will get to decide what becomes of the remaining assets, including any intellectual property such as software.

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Re: Nobody is buying Cakewalk 2017/11/22 18:31:12 (permalink)
I’m sure all the employees saw it coming with the lifelong subscription and I’m sure the developers will have “borrowed” the code on their own servers somewhere ala bitwig so a new version may crop up somewhere via one of them

Or you could just bite the bullet and start backing a new horse with a future for a while
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