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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/24 21:43:49 (permalink)
another giveaway was that the new youtube videos were made by a guy not even working from the company (CHERNOBYL STUDIOS) on youtube
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/24 21:49:32 (permalink)
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I was offered the opportunity on more than one occasion to become a Beta tester but then, just as now, i simply do not have sufficient time to devote to such an undertaking.
 
 




Hey Col, judging by all the replies in this thread so far, I reckon it's only you and me that haven't been beta testers 

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/24 23:49:08 (permalink)
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another giveaway was that the new youtube videos were made by a guy not even working from the company (CHERNOBYL STUDIOS) on youtube


To be honest, im not even sure who that guy is. I've seen his videos but that's about it.
Not sure what "give away" your referring to.

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/24 23:55:08 (permalink)
that the company was having problems
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/25 02:11:33 (permalink)
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I was offered the opportunity on more than one occasion to become a Beta tester but then, just as now, i simply do not have sufficient time to devote to such an undertaking.
 
 


It was indeed very time consuming - oftentimes you'd have to spend entire evenings trying to reproduce bugs under various conditions and steps. I had (and still have) a handful of projects that I used as beta "testing grounds" - basically throwing whatever I could at them and using them as established environments where I could test the program and new features in real world situations instead of testing things "bare" in fresh new projects. Other testers may have differed in their approach but that's how I worked. Some of my beta projects even started to flourish as actual tunes, I'll share them if I ever get the chance to bloody well finish them (one is over 20 minutes of beta-inspired mayhem).

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/25 04:38:32 (permalink)
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I was offered the opportunity on more than one occasion to become a Beta tester but then, just as now, i simply do not have sufficient time to devote to such an undertaking.
 

You lazy slob. So all the bugs were your fault?



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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/25 05:17:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/12/03 06:28:01
Sonar 3 through Sonar 5 when Ron Kuper was focused on making the audio engine more efficient, and he was posting in the public forums all the time about it.
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/25 07:36:30 (permalink)
"Traitors! If we had this attitude before we stormed the beaches, we would still be living under the tyranny of Bapu's post count, a post count that would last a 1000 years. Fear not my brothers in arms, there is still hope, for a brave new world beyond the horizon of despair".
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/25 07:55:49 (permalink)
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I was offered the opportunity on more than one occasion to become a Beta tester but then, just as now, i simply do not have sufficient time to devote to such an undertaking.
 
 




Hey Col, judging by all the replies in this thread so far, I reckon it's only you and me that haven't been beta testers 


So we were direct beneficiaries of everyone else's work, time & effort!
 
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/25 07:56:53 (permalink)
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I was offered the opportunity on more than one occasion to become a Beta tester but then, just as now, i simply do not have sufficient time to devote to such an undertaking.
 

You lazy slob. So all the bugs were your fault?




Guilty as charged......

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/25 17:42:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/11/26 01:35:10
I'll chime in. I did beta work way back when Michael Nicholas was doing the support. I left because I was busting my butt to make the program better as were all the testers. The results were 3 versions of cwpa that were loaded with bugs that still got released. I actually started using Paris audio or something. Then Cake PA 9 came out, which was one of the best versions ever.

I used Sonar but didn't really jump back on board until Sonar 5, which to me was another killer version. 6 came out and I had nothing but problems with midi. One of the bakers contacted me to beta test a few things to help fix the midi and we did. I felt pretty happy to have been a.part of that.

After the fiasco of Sonar X1, I was asked to be a beta tester and jumped at the chance in hopes we'd never see anything like that again. Of course I took it too seriously and had to be reprimanded a few times. I nearly left twice because I just felt like once again, I wasn't being heard. Features being changed and altered by people that develop the program.....while people like me sat and used it working 14 hour days. I told one dude in private "if you used this program to complete 3-5 songs in their entirety, I'd be impressed." He never replied.

As things progressed, we testers were starting to make a difference. We had more baker interaction and could actually speak to them when we needed them. Getting to know Noel and Willy, Keith and a few others was quite awesome. Sometimes they took the baker hats off and were just like us.

Gibson took over and baker interaction was less and less. A few guys were let go or left making the work load insane. Bug reports remained open so I sort of lost my will to push on. Besides, by this time the program was really stable anyway. All the stuff I found was minor....but I still did the work. From sort of backing down from the beta stuff, I stayed away from the forum too. I gave away a lot of free advice and ate quite a bit of crap at times. It wasn't worth it to me to get all huffy over people who wouldn't have the guts to say what they said on here to anyone's face in person. Seeing people like them running around saying whatever they wanted made me sick. I was glad the bakers hired us to be forum hosts. To this day I've never banned a soul...so if you got roughed up, it wasn't me! ;)

The good thing about my beta work here was, dropping the Cakewalk name helped me get into other companies where I test like ceremony, fxpansion, acme bar gig and Fractal Audio where I'm now also a legit endorsed artist sitting along side of guys like Vai and Petrucci. So it's been a really great experience for me and I have no regrets.

As long as Sonar works for me, I'll not be jumping ship. I have a well oiled machine. I don't need to update and upgrade to the latest and greatest all the time. Drivers, configurations, troubleshooting, aren't you guys tired of that? I retired my two work horse computers from the net, updates and upgrades. I turn on my system everyday and work without issues like I'm using a hardware recorder. If I was left with sonar plat and these machines for the rest of my life, I'd be golden. Don't be too fast to look for something else if what you have works great. :)

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/25 18:48:59 (permalink)
Danny DanziI was glad the bakers hired us to be forum hosts. To this day I've never banned a soul...so if you got roughed up, it wasn't me! ;)



I know exactly who it was that nuked me. He didn't like my posts about a newly released version of Sonar that I was A/B comparing with REAPER. Same machine, same midi and sound hardware, and I was posting my observations and thoughts about the differences I was seeing.
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 22:23:29 (permalink)
Well gents, in that case thank you for revealing yourselves as it gives me the opportunity of saying a personal thank you and also allows me to say that "I take my hat off" to you for all your hardwork because I have benefited greatly from your input.
 
I've really enjoyed Sonar from version 8.5 Pro through to X1 Exp, X2a and then a jump to Platinum.
 
I have to say that I always lagged behind a version until an update or two came out to ensure I didn't get serious problems or stability issues which is why I held on to 8.5 until X1 Exp came out and then the same with X2 until X2a came out.  I then skipped X3 and a few months after Platinum came out, bought into the lifetime offer!!! :-(
 
Good work gentlemen and you've just reassured me as to why I won't be jumping ship for a considerable while because I'm in the knowledge of knowing that I have a well developed, stable and fully featured program.  I have to say though, after spending many hours researching issues and info in this forum, I wasn't surprised to see some of your names here.
 
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 22:54:57 (permalink)
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Gibson took over and baker interaction was less and less. A few guys were let go or left making the work load insane. Bug reports remained open so I sort of lost my will to push on. 



Looking back to the final few months on the beta forum, I guess Baker participation was indeed a lot less. And I did get a little disheartened with the lack of official response when bringing up problems on the forum. There are a ton of open bugs in my tester account and some of the recent ones seem like stuff they should have fixed fairly quickly. 
 
The most disheartening thing for me was lack of progress in the ongoing problem of Sonar resetting plugin settings when loading projects. I saw many people report this in the public forum over the years, and they did fix a few of the problems at one point, but over the last few months the problem came back with a vengeance and loads of my Waves EQ plugins were having their settings hosed every time I loaded a project. I lost so many hours of mixing because of this, and nothing drove me closer to quitting Sonar and moving to another DAW. Imagine if Photoshop was loading your photos with all of the edits gone, or Excel wasn't saving spreadsheets properly. There would be an outcry and the bug would be #1 priority. In the case of Sonar, I had "let us know if you come up with a recipe" and didn't receive much more response to the problem.Looking back I guess this was them being stretched beyond capacity. I couldn't come up with a recipe because the problem was random, but still, I figured that a Baker would be able to "reverse engineer" the problem and come up with some clues as to what might be resetting a plugin's settings randomly. 
 
Just a few weeks before doomsday I isolated a bug which was the biggest clue I'd gotten yet - If I adjusted a parameter in the Waves EQ with the ProChannel or FX Bin turned off, turning it back on would move the EQ parameter that I'd just adjusted. And it was reproducible with a recipe. I was so excited about potentially finding a loose thread which would lead to the wider issue being solved. After all, here we had a reproducible case of something messing with a plugin's settings - perhaps the settings were being hosed during project load when all of the ProChannels and FX Bins are activated in the project? 
 
Of course, I kept checking back to that bug's status but it remained open and I never heard anything back about it. It pissed me off, but I guess there was a more desperate struggle going on at Cakewalk HQ. 
 
 

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:06:08 (permalink)
James, as it appears that we are witnessing the death of a star, out of the last few versions of Platinum, which would you say is the most stable and reliable?  I've still the 2017.08 version running because I was concerned that the last two versions had introduced some new features which now won't get these new bugs squashed!

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:14:56 (permalink)
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James, as it appears that we are witnessing the death of a star, out of the last few versions of Platinum, which would you say is the most stable and reliable?  I've still the 2017.08 version running because I was concerned that the last two versions had introduced some new features which now won't get these new bugs squashed!




Honestly in terms of stability and reliability I would just stick with the latest. I didn't notice any significant changes in performance or stability over the past few weeks or even months. And since there wasn't much in the way of major new features introduced recently, I can't see there having been any new showstopping bugs introduced. Nothing that would affect anything other than the new feature itself, anyway. 

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:15:08 (permalink)
I tuned a couple DimPro basses for them once. Does that count?

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:16:39 (permalink)
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Somebody mentioned scook. It begs the question where is he? I haven’t seen him around.

He knew too much to be just one of us. Maybe he was a baker with an alias or even not.
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:17:22 (permalink)
I think overall we had the most stable SONAR yet, especially considering the big stuff that was introduced like patch points / aux tracks, which needed a hell of a lot of testing to get the bugs ironed out. But there definitely was less interaction in the last few months, and I know I had a fair few open bugs in my list too by the end.

I think we all had our "pet" areas though so some testers experienced less problems than others. What may have been smooth sailing for me with how I used the program was a nightmare for, say, James who was killing himself to track down those plugin issues that were absolute show-stoppers for him.

But we all wanted to help solve what we could. It's just a shame the time ran out for us all.

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:31:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/12/03 06:29:44
Hi-
 
I was a beta tester for SONAR 8.5, so way back in 2009/10. It was time-consuming and frustrating at times, but also rewarding. I'm glad I did it.
 
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:42:07 (permalink)
Susan G

P.S. No, we're not all "gentlemen"😉!


I, for one, am certainly not a gentleman! Haha!

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:44:47 (permalink)
sharke
 
Honestly in terms of stability and reliability I would just stick with the latest. I didn't notice any significant changes in performance or stability over the past few weeks or even months. And since there wasn't much in the way of major new features introduced recently, I can't see there having been any new showstopping bugs introduced. Nothing that would affect anything other than the new feature itself, anyway. 


It was the addition of the Microsoft Surface Dial Support and the Duplicate Track Button Feature which concerned me  because I noticed that there were several bug fixes which addressed those new features in the very last release.

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/29 23:58:56 (permalink)
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Hi-
 
I was a beta tester for SONAR 8.5, so way back in 2009/10. It was time-consuming and frustrating at times, but also rewarding. I'm glad I did it.
 
-Susan
 
P.S. No, we're not all "gentlemen"😉!




We're not all "gentle" either!  ;)

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/30 00:04:13 (permalink)
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Susan G
Hi-
 
I was a beta tester for SONAR 8.5, so way back in 2009/10. It was time-consuming and frustrating at times, but also rewarding. I'm glad I did it.
 
-Susan
 
P.S. No, we're not all "gentlemen"😉!




We're not all "gentle" either!  ;)


Uh, okay.

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/30 00:23:10 (permalink)
Susan GUh, okay.



Well, I've been told over the years that I have a fairly abrasive personality!  ;)

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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/30 00:27:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/12/03 06:30:26
Danny Danzi
Of course I took it too seriously and had to be reprimanded a few times. I nearly left twice because I just felt like once again, I wasn't being heard.



Hahaha, nothing describes my experience better than these two sentences. I was a better tester through 8.5 and X1 cycles, and where Danny nearly left, I actually left. Still, I'm surprised how much the Bakers were willing to listen not just to bug reports but to overall feedback (even if they didn't end up heeding it :P). I had (and have) a lot of beef about various PM decisions, but the devs are without question the hardest-working engineers I've seen anywhere (and I'm a software engineer myself!).
 
Since Danny and Susan already outed themselves, I have to say - they were superstars in reporting bugs. Even when, as cycles ticked away, bugs started becoming scarce.
 
I've been in a couple of other beta programs since. I have to say, no other beta team I've seen has a community as active, committed, and passionate as the Sonar beta team had. Maybe this fanatical devotion interfered with clear thinking now and then. But being a part of it was no less exhilarating than it was exhausting.
 
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/30 00:29:47 (permalink)
Btw, I have no idea if I was the only one who submitted a feature request for built-in console emulation back in the day, but I'm totes taking all the credit for it. :P
 
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/30 01:27:58 (permalink)
Thank you all so much. From the other side of the pond I can tell you there are a lot of tears being shed here.
I know so many people here in Ireland who have been using Cakewalk for years. I personally have endorsed Cakewalk to so many Cubase users and won them over. This is truly a sad time for me. Wish there was more we could do to keep this excellent DAW alive. I will be using it until one of the two of us give up. Sonar Platinum Pro forever.
It's been a pleasure, Thanks guys. Hugh.
 
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/30 01:30:40 (permalink)
I was Joan of Arc in a former life...
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hughblaney1957
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Re: Now that development has stopped I wonder if Beta Testers will identify themselves? 2017/11/30 01:46:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SimpleM 2017/11/30 06:34:40
Sorry to hear that SimpleM.  You know what it's like to get burned then.
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