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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 17:15:10
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dubdisciple I'm currently attempting Process>Audio Effects to see if it processes the automation too. If so, that may solve the problem.
Doing the same
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 17:17:55
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dubdisciple I'm guessing and stress this is 100% guess based on nothing but intuition that OMF is bnased on XML. That would be one way of making it cross-platform. I have never tried to export OMF from any program that had anything beyond simple fades and split clips. I may try to export a more advanced project out of Logic and see what happens.
Thats my hunch too, it must be XML, great minds think alike as I was just musing this over a ciggy while this render happens.... Have we checked how big this project is yet? I dont believe we have.....(I am rendering so cant do it this second) but goto Project, and Audio or something and it lists the Audio file size, if its over two Gb then we have to try and render this into an OMF into Chunks below 2Gb otherwise by the general nature of OMFS the file will break
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 17:20:28
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dubdisciple I'm guessing and stress this is 100% guess based on nothing but intuition that OMF is bnased on XML. That would be one way of making it cross-platform. I have never tried to export OMF from any program that had anything beyond simple fades and split clips. I may try to export a more advanced project out of Logic and see what happens.
Thats my hunch too, it must be XML, great minds think alike as I was just musing this over a ciggy while this render happens....
Have we checked how big this project is yet? I dont believe we have.....(I am rendering so cant do it this second) but goto Project, and Audio or something and it lists the Audio file size, if its over two Gb then we have to try and render this into an OMF into Chunks below 2Gb otherwise by the general nature of OMFS the file will break
In my haste, I never looked at file sizes. I guess i will check that after this finishes rendering.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 17:29:21
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dubdisciple I'm guessing and stress this is 100% guess based on nothing but intuition that OMF is bnased on XML. That would be one way of making it cross-platform. I have never tried to export OMF from any program that had anything beyond simple fades and split clips. I may try to export a more advanced project out of Logic and see what happens.
Thats my hunch too, it must be XML, great minds think alike as I was just musing this over a ciggy while this render happens....
Have we checked how big this project is yet? I dont believe we have.....(I am rendering so cant do it this second) but goto Project, and Audio or something and it lists the Audio file size, if its over two Gb then we have to try and render this into an OMF into Chunks below 2Gb otherwise by the general nature of OMFS the file will break
In my haste, I never looked at file sizes. I guess i will check that after this finishes rendering.
I guess its a competition on how fast our systems are now to finish this render
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 17:41:59
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kk, just got a "Win32 Error [0x80070057} The parameter is incorrect.
I had this earlier after a bounce on my own project and then Sonar tries to continue....(Currently I have a Not Responding)
Surely a Win32 error means something isnt translating from 64 bit to 32? (just working from logic here) You Mr D?
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 18:03:56
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I ran an errand real quick and came back. The Process>audio effcects worked without a hitch but it does not fix problem because it does not take care of automation envelopes which may be behind issue. I jus tneed a way to get rid of all of these envelopes in one or two steps without having to go track by track
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 18:24:15
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just checked on >Project> Audio Files>
and its 1151.1MB so it shouldnt be an issue with either embedded or external reference OMF so its not a blow up file size issue.
Just trimmed the project down to 8 bars and it exported fine (to do this dont forget some of the clips are locked and some have a view of volume rather than clip) - this exported correctly.
Then
Trimmed the project down to 25 bars so therefore has more fades etc and again "OMFI_ERR: Failed a semantic check on input data"
*sighs*, i'll pick this up again tomorrow but been all day at it, such thanks Mr D for staying with me and making me feel sane.... Hopefully all this testing will come of some good.
But logically, the first 9 bars of the test project doesnt have that many fades etc etc but FROM bar 9 to 25 it does and thats EXACTLY where it throws the OMF out, therefore its got to be some kind of XML data overload issue and maybe the way that the Sonar OMF script is handling the data within the project and translating it and then repacking it back into the OMF? Just my logic. Could be wrong.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 18:27:26
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Did you freeze those pianos? I did not pick this up the first go round but apparently they froze the drums but left the piano as simple instrument tracks? Have a good night
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 18:29:19
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dubdisciple Did you freeze those pianos? I did not pick this up the first go round but apparently they froze the drums but left the piano as simple instrument tracks? Have a good night
Sorry, should have added that, yes, everything frozen. Like Mr Freeze over there for you guys in the States. But to confirm, all synths frozen, all FX applied...first 25 bars crashing with the Semantic Check error
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/07 18:33:23
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Holy ___! Freezing those piano parts seems to have done the trick for me. It worked. My drums disapeared when i opened in Audition
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 06:45:12
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I deleted the two unused synths from the Synth stack (dimension and Rapture) and tried to export the first 32 bars with synths frozen and still "OMFI_ERR:Failed a semantic check on an input data"
So, in a nut shell I can't export an OMF even from the Demo project both as reference and embedded, OMf 1 or OMF 2.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 13:42:58
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 13:43:33
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Suffice to say I am now turning into agitated mode.....
How on earth isnt this thread not providing information???? CWBRN-23119 Hello Mark Ashworth,
The status of your problem report has updated to "Closed - Info Not Provided" with the following notes:
We are closing this report as it does not identify a specific error in the application, one that we can reproduce or we did not receive additional information on how to reproduce this error. This is an automated response.
The information below is intended to help direct concerns to the best department(s) to contact so that we can address everyone's concerns more effectively.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 13:51:47
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk] All hosts handle OMF differently. The OMF format only supports the exchange of audio data. Even basic mixing data won't translate correctly. While it's called a standard, it really isn't. "OMFI_ERR: Mob does not exist in this file" and "OMFI_ERR:Failed a semantic check on an input data" errors are more wide spread than SONAR. Logic and DP users get the same thing: http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81556 http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/471107-exporting-omf-file-error-logic-8-a.html https://discussions.apple.com/thread/268159?start=0&tstart=0 http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34073&start=0 http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9703&start=0 I'll look and see if we have any specs on this, but I haven't seen any personally, ever.
Seth, yes thank you for your vague answer, I have seen all of these. Dub and I have painfully gone through some beta for you on this thread and pretty much come up with the same results (until he comes back online I cant confirm fully) In my experience from last year, which was outputting 7 short films plus one feature, I never had an issue importing an OMF from FCP/Permiere or PT into Sonar yet every single time I output a timeline of audio from Sonar I get the above errors? I seriously want to help here! Closing my case and giving me external issues with OMF on other platforms seems to me to be running away from the issue. Please dont make me say this...BUT...I created a test project today in PT 10 and exported with fades and it worked..... Final Cut Pro can export and OMF, Premiere can.... Sigh... Therefore...Close my case then, but you are closing the case on multi platform post production audio film work from out of Sonar, for me...thats a massive shame.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 13:54:40
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My gosh I am fully aware about the multi standards involved as well. OMF's are GHASTLY!!!! We all know this, but surely a better answer from you guys????
Great!!! I have to start using Pro Tools for all my film work....Well....
This makes me massively depressed... I recently spoke at the Barbican in London at the London Animation Film Festival and spoke intensively to up and coming Sound Post guys about how great Sonar is in a seminar I chaired on the importance of sound in animation....
How Embarrassing is that for me now?
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 13:59:42
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk] All hosts handle OMF differently. The OMF format only supports the exchange of audio data. Even basic mixing data won't translate correctly. While it's called a standard, it really isn't. "OMFI_ERR: Mob does not exist in this file" and "OMFI_ERR:Failed a semantic check on an input data" errors are more wide spread than SONAR. Logic and DP users get the same thing: http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81556 http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/471107-exporting-omf-file-error-logic-8-a.html https://discussions.apple.com/thread/268159?start=0&tstart=0 http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34073&start=0 http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9703&start=0 I'll look and see if we have any specs on this, but I haven't seen any personally, ever.
Seth, yes thank you for your vague answer, I have seen all of these.
Dub and I have painfully gone through some beta for you on this thread and pretty much come up with the same results (until he comes back online I cant confirm fully)
In my experience from last year, which was outputting 7 short films plus one feature, I never had an issue importing an OMF from FCP/Permiere or PT into Sonar yet every single time I output a timeline of audio from Sonar I get the above errors?
I seriously want to help here! Closing my case and giving me external issues with OMF on other platforms seems to me to be running away from the issue.
Please dont make me say this...BUT...I created a test project today in PT 10 and exported with fades and it worked..... Final Cut Pro can export and OMF, Premiere can....
Sigh...
Therefore...Close my case then, but you are closing the case on multi platform post production audio film work from out of Sonar, for me...thats a massive shame.
I didn't close that bug report so please don't try to direct it at me. I actually took the time to look into this for you. I've finally located a 2.1 spec document for it and it dates back to 1997. I'll take a look at it further.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 14:06:22
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Ok, thanks Seth...
Its just an untimely event that happened with your post on the forum and an email I got then.
One hopes we can all work together to get to the bottom of this and help move Sonar onwards and upwards.
I fully appreciate the evils of OMF's btw... I could swear for China on this matter but the forum would asterisk my superlatives.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 14:09:19
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I also just checked into CWBRN-23119 Summary:OMF export errorDescription:- your steps below . . .
Expected Results: Actual Results:testSpecs:It was closed because 'Info Not Provided'
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 14:32:15
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I was able to get that project to export as OMF. Not 100% what extra step i took to get it to work. When i noticed the individual drum parts had already been bounced, I deleted all the midi files. I don't know if any of this is a bug so much as a shortcoming of OMF. I tried exporting some OMF files from Logic last night on a project with lots of tracks, automation and busses and got errors galore too. As I said previously, I have just used OMF to export projects that were pretty much tracking with very minor edits like trimming and fades. I have run into similar problems trying to do the equivalent with video projects. I usually end up rendering out the equivalent of stems because all but the most basic EDL data crashes.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 14:33:25
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ah, that was a test as all my attempts at reporting this issue have resulted in "The Internet is not working"
So, there was a blank test, so I am not sure what is going on there. I have reported this issue on the forum, and I have PM'd yourself.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 14:37:55
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Seth, Dub and I documented pretty much every step in this thread to help you guys
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 14:38:12
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Looks like the one attempt that got through was the one you did not fill in, so try and resubmit today.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 14:39:11
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Just paste our info in the form. Hopefully it helps that they have access already to the same project we used as reference. Shouldn't be hard to duplicate error
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 14:41:12
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For me, the lesson learned is that other than trims and fades, it is a royal pain to export OMF. I have also learned that Audition is extra picky about importing OMF
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/01/08 19:08:06
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I have learnt this...
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/10 00:20:01
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I posted this in another thread:
OK..Done. 643 MBs. I succefully exported the OMF. It took 3 tries. I was working fast --so i did things without worring about concequences, Here is what i did. 1) Deleted the track "quad-capture". That seemed to be just a mix of the song, but it probably could have stayed. 2) Deleted all soft synths--again probably uneccesary. 3) Opened up all folders, started "Bouncing To Clips" eveything. I could not grab everything at once, so I grabbed as many tracks as I could at a time to bounce to clips. This is proably very important. every clip that overlaps with another generates a new track in an OMF. Having so many clips and tracks becomes overwhelming to organize, and probably too much for the system to handle. 4) After all tracks had all the clips "bounced" so no clips where overlapping any more. I went to "Process Audio>Remove Silence". This removes all automation, so I suggest experimenting with this. You might want to "Freeze" all your audio tracks 1st. That will print any fades or effects. Anyway if you'd like the OMF..PM me and I will DropBox it to you. I'm guessing the issue people are having with OMFs are too many clips that overlap on a track. Also track automation might be getting in the way.
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Re: OMF Export issue
2014/04/10 05:01:30
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Will give this a whirl, I think the only thing I hadnt tried was the "remove Silence" bit. I'll report back later.
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