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2014/10/01 11:03:41 (permalink)
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Offset Mesure One

Can we have empty space before the start of measure 1
 
Or as some call it, negative measures.
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/10/01 13:51:47

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/01 11:09:06 (permalink)
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YES. This is something that would be absolutely useful, especially when dealing with the issue of videos no longer being able to be moved on the timeline (although it would come in very handy regardless).
 
Just simply having an option to move where bar 1 starts via a simple dialog box, that way audio files and video could potentially start before the composition begins would be amazing.

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/01 11:26:46 (permalink)
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i remember Cubase had it when i used in years ago... it helps eliminate the 'sometimes glitch' on the opening note and is nice when you bounce your final mix to have some space in front without adding it elsewhere.

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/01 12:43:07 (permalink)
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Another feature that I found highly useful in a competing product.  This is practically a necessity for me.

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/02 04:09:16 (permalink)
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There have been several variations on this topic, i.e. timeline ruler offset, discussed over the years. Some people want the timeline to start from zero, a negative number or some other offset, with the option to split it into different sections. I came up with a suggestion that (I hope) covers all of the different scenarios:

Keep the existing timeline ruler as it stands, but provide the option of displaying a second ruler, one that is customizable. The user can set the start of this ruler to coinside with the start of the song and to count from 1 or 0 or whatever, according to preference. The ruler can also be divided up as required by the user to represent different sections of the song, e.g. intro, verses, choruses, bridges or whatever. Each section can be assigned a colour and a starting number which could be 1 or 0 or some offset. The sections can also be assigned a name or descriptive piece of text. When zoomed out, the different sections of the song will be obvious by the colours. When zoomed in, you can see at a glance exactly which section of the song you are in and how many bars into the section.

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/02 06:36:40 (permalink)
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I am on my mobile phone so I don't have the option to vote. But Kev you are right. We have discussed this many many times. Seems like your solution could be added to the present system and I could get on board with it. So far it's the best workable suggestion yet.

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/05 09:00:14 (permalink)
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+1 vote from me on this feature request.

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/05 17:33:39 (permalink)
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Yup . . . I like this idea too, + another

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/06 10:50:09 (permalink)
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I know that this is going to show how little I understand this issue, but why do we need this?  What difference does it make (other than when printing out the staff view) if I start on 'measure' one or on 'measure' fifteen?  If the only issue is how the staff view prints out, couldn't this be addressed by just setting a start point to be track one in staff view to adjust how it is printed?
 
Sorry for being slow, but I just don't comprehend what this would accomplish.
 
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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/06 11:45:37 (permalink)
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^^^
For me, adding  "lead-in" measures will help in song arrangement in the Track View.  Some of my external, hardware synthesizers need proper "lead-in" measures for their arpeggios, delays, and general timing to work right.  Therefore, in order to solve this issue, I must add one or more blank measures starting at 1:00:000.  This, in turn, disrupts the subsequent, numerical-sequence of measures which I would use to help build a song, e.g. 4 measures from 1:00:000 to 4:00:000, 8 measures from 4:00:000 to 12:000:000, etc.
 
There is a work around, and that is to build a "template" track.  In this track, I create brightly colored, "dummy" MIDI clips that are easily seen.  I make 2-bar, 4-bar, and 8-bar clips...all with different colors.  I then use these clips to keep my timing right in song creation.
 
I think the lead-in measure (i.e. negative measures) is mostly beneficial to the folks who use outboard gear.

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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/07 06:39:40 (permalink)
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I would use this feature, particularly implemented similar to how Kev999 suggests, on every single song I record. Starting the actual song at a measure called measure 1 and seeing the verses, choruses, bridges, intros, codas etc. colour-coded and distinguishable at a glance would be great and very much appreciated.
 
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Bar number offset (i.e. start at -2, -1, 0, 1, 2... etc) 2014/10/13 17:28:39 (permalink)
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It would be fantastic to start bar numbering at a negative offset.
I'd be happy if this was visual ONLY (i.e. call it a "Staff View Bar Offset" and make it visible in Track View as an additional ruler, whilst leaving all other bar math untouched)
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Re: Bar number offset (i.e. start at -2, -1, 0, 1, 2... etc) 2014/10/13 20:14:46 (permalink)
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Hasn't this feature request been logged before?
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Re: Bar number offset (i.e. start at -2, -1, 0, 1, 2... etc) 2014/10/15 14:16:13 (permalink)
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As per forum guidelines "Duplicates will be removed or merged.".
Will give it a further 24 hours for response I notice OP has created further feature requests since I posted here.
 
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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/17 08:53:54 (permalink)
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Keep the existing timeline ruler as it stands, but provide the option of displaying a second ruler, one that is customizable. The user can set the start of this ruler to coinside with the start of the song and to count from 1 or 0 or whatever, according to preference. The ruler can also be divided up as required by the user to represent different sections of the song, e.g. intro, verses, choruses, bridges or whatever. Each section can be assigned a colour and a starting number which could be 1 or 0 or some offset. The sections can also be assigned a name or descriptive piece of text. When zoomed out, the different sections of the song will be obvious by the colours. When zoomed in, you can see at a glance exactly which section of the song you are in and how many bars into the section.
 
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Re: Offset Mesure One 2014/10/17 19:07:24 (permalink)
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I agree that the above would be very sweet! But because of lost horizontal real estate, it would force me to buy an LCD screen that actually has a usable screen resolution; something other than this crappy 1080p stuff the TV industry forced down our throats.

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Re: Bar number offset (i.e. start at -2, -1, 0, 1, 2... etc) 2014/10/21 02:11:38 (permalink)
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Huh. I didn't see the other feature request. Feel free to delete this one, Mods. (I've been on holiday)
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Shift start time 2015/06/03 22:11:27 (permalink)
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Every once in a while I come across a situation where I would like to set the start time, or measure, to some point after the very beginning of the time line - kinda like a "count-in" time. What I mean is that, instead of starting at measure 1, for example, the time line might begin at, say, -2, then count down to -1, and then the song would begin at measure 1. Similarly, if the time ruler was set to seconds, the start time might be -2 sec, then count up to -1, 0 (the beginning of the song), 1, 2, ...
 
Why? Well, if I'm working with a midi representation of a piece of printed music, it's easier to find or enter a given measure if the ruler matches what's on the page. Usually, there's an offset of a couple of measures in the DAW to allow for some pre-start automation. Of course, it's not that hard to add or subtract to figure that out, so this is not exactly a showstopper, but it might be useful. It also might be helpful to have that "zero point" freely movable to allow quick calculations of time or measure durations of sections of the song starting in the middle of the song.
 
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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/03 22:19:39 (permalink)
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one of the first feature requests made
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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/03 22:20:45 (permalink)
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'just goes to show, there are no new ideas...

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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/03 23:11:42 (permalink)
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I'm sure there was a video from FastBikerBoy, where he had found this option within Audio snap, the use of negative measures. He released a video correcting an earlier one, when he found an  easier way. And proclaimed that he wasn't aware that this feature existed.  Just tried searching, but cannot find it. He was  aligning a live preform ace to the time grid

 
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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/03 23:20:27 (permalink)
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Found it. Just seems to be Bar Zero, so just the one bar offset
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weIZy_ibH5c
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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/04 04:33:33 (permalink)
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I think this would be a great feature too.

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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/04 08:54:08 (permalink)
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Kamikaze that link took me to a Nina Simone video.
 
 

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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/06 00:18:16 (permalink)
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It would be good to be able to set first beat where ever, and have it referenced when bouncing to tracks/clips.
 
Currently I start all projects at measure 5 to have what is requested
This means:
 four measures are available for pre-roll, count-in, and relaxing into the click
 clips can be moved past zero
 room for new intro material
 can work on tempos
 and so on
 
After the mixing bit, I trim the clip, apply trimming, move to zero, and bounce to clips.
 
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Being able to move the first beat would be real useful.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/06 17:50:57 (permalink)
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I have no use for this feature, but you all seem really passionate about it so I'll give it a 5-er 

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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/07 08:32:58 (permalink)
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Kamikaze that link took me to a Nina Simone video.
 
 


Sorry about that, I've edited the link, but here it is too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weIZy_ibH5c
 
Looking forward to that Nina Simone film though

 
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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/07 08:32:58 (permalink)
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Kamikaze that link took me to a Nina Simone video.
 
 


Sorry about that, I've edited the link, but here it is too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weIZy_ibH5c
 
Looking forward to that Nina Simone film though

 
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Re: Shift start time 2015/06/10 22:02:54 (permalink)
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Good one.   I always make the first bar longer (6/4 if my piece is in 4/4), but that is a little extra time for every single project ..
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Re: Shift start time 2015/08/29 00:11:11 (permalink)
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Can someone please correct the typo in the thread title.
 

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