John


All I can say is bring back layouts. They weren't hurting anyone.

But don't get rid of screensets. They are without a doubt IMHO one of the best parts of X1. Lateral thinking is what is needed. Yes they need an easier way to save and load them but I think possibly it's their very power that stops that being implemented. Imagine having 10 instances of the same project open all with completely different views and settings if you wish and accessible instantly by pressing a button. Who doesn't want that?!?

With Screensets it is almost like having 10 monitors, albeit you can't see them all at once but with dual monitors all 10 views (20 screens!! ) are accessible instantly at the press of a button. They are very, very powerful and well worth spending the time to 'get your head around'.

Unfortunately I'm no good at making flash videos or I'd do one showing how I'm using them. I love 'em. Please, please, please pretty please CW don't take them away.................  

Randy:

why don't you get one of your projects that you're more likely to base new  projects on and instead of inserting the whole project into a new one;when you've finished that Project make a copy and delete all the stuff you don't want for a new project at that time and save that as a template. Wouldn't that stop you having to import a project and then got hrough all the hassel of having to delete all the extraneous stuff.

HumbleNoise

Crg

I was trying to create a blank (no tracks) template as my Normal template

Just name it Blank and it will work.

A project or template without and tracks will NOT save Screen Sets or at best scramble them upon saving with new tracks. Worked on that for days before figuring that out. Unless I missed something.

So just put one track and a Master Buss in it. See if that saves. How are you saving ?

mike_mccue

So far it's just been fun watching the screen reload... slowly and all...

Have you tried disabling floppy drive in BIOS settings? (even if there´s no floppy drive in your PC)

Hey I dont mean to rain on anyones parade , But with all the setting up saving , your wasting time making music, I can see if there was a global save per screen set then I can see them as very useful , But I know when I record, I have no idea what I'm going to start with, Music is a creative Idea,  and Yes I will use the console view, I might or might not use the browser, I might or might not use the matrix ( actually never ) but my point is it take a push of the "c" to open the console view a simple drag, Done. and this goes for all of the other views. Now To open another project to copy a screen set, YOUR really wasting time ( Pretty stupid to even suggest opening an existing project to grab a screen set that will take a total of 3 seconds to make) . Templates That have your favorite Vst ect routed is a major time saver , but screen sets will change depending on the project. And for me no project is the same. Maybe in the future update there will be a real save feature , That will save you time. Right now Im sorry to say its an unrefined waste of time.. Make Music Stop wasting time.

djjhart@aol.com


Hey I dont mean to rain on anyones parade , But with all the setting up saving , your wasting time making music, I can see if there was a global save per screen set then I can see them as very useful , But I know when I record, I have no idea what I'm going to start with, Music is a creative Idea,  and Yes I will use the console view, I might or might not use the browser, I might or might not use the matrix ( actually never ) but my point is it take a push of the "c" to open the console view a simple drag, Done. and this goes for all of the other views. Now To open another project to copy a screen set, YOUR really wasting time ( Pretty stupid to even suggest opening an existing project to grab a screen set that will take a total of 3 seconds to make) . Templates That have your favorite Vst ect routed is a major time saver , but screen sets will change depending on the project. And for me no project is the same. Maybe in the future update there will be a real save feature , That will save you time. Right now Im sorry to say its an unrefined waste of time.. Make Music Stop wasting time.

djj, Sorry to rain on your parade but MY way of working in Sonar is the best and only way to get work done. Everyone else's way of working is slow and tedious and stupid. I'll certainly not waste any more time posting here when I can be making music.

djjhart@aol.com


Hey I dont mean to rain on anyones parade , But with all the setting up saving , your wasting time making music, I can see if there was a global save per screen set then I can see them as very useful...

I basically agree with you here, dj - There have been some impractical suggestions about using Screensets, because people who are giving X1 a good try out have been trying to figure out the best way to use them, and some suggestions are too time consuming and/or awkward. Opening a previous project to then import its Screensets probably is a waste of time, a bit awkward anyway.

I think a lot of us do have a standard way of starting a project, depending on what our instrument of choice is.  If we're guitar players, we'll start with an audio track and whatever we want associated with that track.  A lot of keyboard players probably work the same way I do, starting every new project with a Piano, so I want my scratch piano track and synth in place.  I compose music, and started out as a piano player - so everything I've ever written I begin with a piano, and it always will, since I'm interested in notes, not just sounds - All I need is a piano at first, then the notes start gravitating to various other instruments and synths. 

That makes the 1st Screenset the most crucial.  That first set can have our standard way of starting projects ready for us.  And then of course the project starts taking on a life of its own, and different configurations of windows will evolve which are unique and specific to the project.

But I also know I want a full screen Console View, so that's one of my sets (Docked!--or the CV won't stay in place) - and a bit more detail on that first set of mine, I have all the views tabbed and ready to expand which I use in every project without fail:  Tempo, Markers, Events and Staff - besides PRV.  And I have a second PRV set which takes up the screen except for a single track from TV showing at the top.

And so forth - I'm saying that I agree people can get hung up, wasting time with Screensets, but I do think that most people can develop Screensets which will be universally helpful on all their projects.  A new Normal Template with all those sets available is a slick, fast way to start a project.  A bare-bones Template that at least has our basic screens available - and from there, each project can grow in that unpredictable, organic way projects do.

Randy B.

Randy You made a great point, Where I agree 100% most of do have that go to instrument to start with As I do , But My point is , Its a template and we were able to do that in 8.5.3, 
 For me My goto is NI Machine , which I made a template routed out , And with that being a time saver , I have 2 monitors main screen for track view , Mulitdock under neath, CV on second monitor , But Its saved as a template and not for a screen set , Caus eventually  I will move modules around to best fit my workflow at the current time. If there was a global save such as a preset, I would extensively use them . but to open another project , Your asking for trouble, memory issue's , maybe a crash opening more than one project , Its something I can't believe that needs to be done to copy screen sets. Where do you see it being a time Saver? having to open another project? 
 Its like chain effects I feel the same way, for me there would be no time savings using chain effects , No matter what,  A setting would need to be changed depending upon the project, an effect that you bundle might not be the right reverb or compressor or delay, we have some many tools how would you know what your going to use , Unless you have the content in front of you . I do see it can be useful for some, such as guitarist,That might have a few needed tools for recording or someone doing mastering. But Chain effects for me I find a waste like screen sets.  Note My negativeness means nothing ..I truely Love X1, But find screen sets un-useful unless were able to save them as a preset. Chain Effects are just not for my kind of recording , as I never know what needs to be treated or not. 
 My Only real Gripe with X1 is THE Snap Features, Lack of saving screen sets, and The Now Cursor Time That has been removed, WHY Take away a Visual Aid that helps you out, without having to hit X to bring up Aim Assist . More keystrokes means wasted TIME.. 

If you don't want a screenset changed then just lock it. I have the ` assigned as a shortcut. Lock & unlock on the fly. Obviously some people aren't going to like them, not everyone likes every feature of a program, but for me, once I got my head around the power they have - I love 'em.

No point trying to convince me otherwise I'm afraid.

djjhart@aol.com


Here's something else to consider , You have a template set up as your 3 screen sets , Your working on song you click SS #3 which is your enlarged PRV , your recording midi, Hey guess what You want to record a Z3ta pattern you insert, hey you wanna use True pianos , You insert, Guess what's happening your great SS#3 is all messed up, I wanna get back to just SS#3 , Guess what you cant , you need to reload another project. Now if I was able just to press SS#3 again and it  came up as I had it when I imported it .. Great but it dosen't Your SS#3  has been changed caus you added some Vst's ect.. Where's the usefulness There?  My point is your Project will change as you Compose/arrange. And so will your SS. without a preset your SS will change .

Glad you wrote this post, dj, because it reminded me of something I meant to say earlier.  There were other posts describing the desire to somehow have Screensets for each track.

What you're describing is very odd to me, because it's not at all what I expect from Screensets, and isn't what they're meant for.

The PRV Screenset is just that - My PRV is open the way I want it.  From then on as I work on a project, it's working in the PRV as it's always been - I choose what track I want to work on with the PRV track menu.  Nothing is messed up - I'm moving around the project however I want.  I insert a new synth for a another layer in the song?  OK, that's what I do, and I can edit my recording in the PRV.

The template was just there for a quick way to get to the PRV the way I want it set up for the whole project, not just for one track.  If we were pushing number buttons for the myriad of ways our tracking needs come up for a project, that would indeed be crazed.

I find what you're talking about here is based on a wild misapprehension about what Screensets are supposed to be.

Randy B.

I think the great thing about screensets is they can be whatever you want them to be. The only limit that I can tell is the user's imagination.

As Randy has said you can use a screenset set up for the PRV and use it as that.... or if you want you can have one set up for as a PRV for instruments, and another set up as a PRV for MIDI drums or a different set of instruments. It's up to the user and that's the great thing, so flexible.

Full customisable views that you can change and keep the changes or not (lock/unlock) as the user sees fit. Copy one to another at the press of a key combo (Ctrl+target screenset number) make a few changes to that as required. I guess you've noticed I'm a bit of a fan of them.........

Anyone actually ran out of them yet? i.e. more than 10 used?

djjhart@aol.com


Here's something else to consider , You have a template set up as your 3 screen sets , Your working on song you click SS #3 which is your enlarged PRV , your recording midi, Hey guess what You want to record a Z3ta pattern you insert, hey you wanna use True pianos , You insert, Guess what's happening your great SS#3 is all messed up, I wanna get back to just SS#3 , Guess what you cant , you need to reload another project. Now if I was able just to press SS#3 again and it  came up as I had it when I imported it .. Great but it dosen't Your SS#3  has been changed caus you added some Vst's ect.. Where's the usefulness There?  My point is your Project will change as you Compose/arrange. And so will your SS. without a preset your SS will change .

djj, my previous post might have been a bit harsh but there's a TON of information in here about Screen Sets that can be really helpful. For the record I agree with FBB - screens sets are the best thing that's happened to Sonar. Now using your example above, read rbowser's post about locking Screen Sets if you want to preserve your PRV view in SS 3.

Or say you're editing the enlarged PRV as in your example and you want to insert a Z3ta. Simply press the number '1' on your keyboard and that can take you back to your default TV where you can insert a Z3ta pattern.

Done with that? Press '3' and you're back in PRV and editing your new track. If you locked '3' then it hasn't changed. If you switch to '1' and back to '3' without any changes it also hasn't changed.

Then '4' to the CV.

Back to '1' to add a track.

'3' to Edit that track.  And so on.

Used in this way Screen Sets are anything but a time waster - for me.

Of curse YMMV but read this thread thoroughly and try them out, you might be surprised. They are NOT easy to understand at first, but like FBB, they are, for me, the single BEST feature of X1.

John


This may be of some use to some of you. I have never used project templates nor have I used the normal template to start a new project. What I have set up on a disk that is the one I reserve for projects is a root directory that is named Sonar Files. The very first sub directory in this folder is named A1 Empty. The project is also named empty and it is empty. What does this do for me? I load this up whenever I am starting a new project. I immediately then use save as to create a new project folder with a name that is descriptive and a project name that is similar.  From there I can add as many tracks as I need and it keeps everything nicely together.  I don't know how X1 will impact this way of doing things. I suspect it wont have any impact at all. I have never had any problem loading projects started in previous versions except on occasion having a missing plugin after going to 64 bit. That is not a problem though for me a nuisance yes.
I have found this method the most hassle free and it works.

That sounds like a Template to me.

I have 8 set up in my main template but TBH a couple of those are almost matching pairs so if I do discover a use for a few more I've a little room to go yet.

Middleman


I have not run out of screensets. I have set up 3 right now which covers about all I need but I am keeping track of repeated actions and may find a 4th useful.

Here is what I really need and which I haven't figured out yet, not sure it is even possible. 1 click max and minimize a track. I want to to click on the track and have one of my Alphatrack buttons expand and close that track at will. Right now you can only do this with the mouse as Cakewalk does not expose that to Controllers. If someone has figured this out, let me know.

Phil,
 
I'm thinking out loud here, as i haven't tried this (and I don't have an Alphatrack, but I do have a number of control surfaces):
 
Can you map a 'function' on the Alpha to a keybinding?  I don't even know if there is a max/minimize keybinding -- but if there is, maybe that's one approach?
 
Forgive me if I'm way off on this...  just a thought.