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Old Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
So Meng has updated his stickie. We have a new DAW on the horizon this is exciting news to me. From only having one main DAW to having three. Studio One3 SPLAT and (SYMBOL) formerly known as Sonar. A question will the new flagship DAW have new VST's will it have new plugins and EQ's or will these be borrowed from SPLAT. It would be nice to see a clean start but enabling us to use Dim Pro, Rapture and the rest so at least they will be some consistency and incentive to continue on an upgrade path also along with compatibility so old projects can be opened from SPLAT to the new DAW without using Stems. I am hoping that it will be new and shiny with a different look and feel to what we had before. Meng says this will happen within the next four weeks. That is some work that you have put in if that is the case. Thanks for the update exciting times for Bandlab (Bakers) or the drummers are drumming up something.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 01:06:26
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Noel confirmed it will be basically the same product, and how couldn't in be in the timescale. Re branding, some fixes and new features is what I'd expect instead of current Vst's being reworked. I do wonder abut things like the Blue Tubes bundle, and whether the agreement to include these was between Blue Tubes and the Cakewalk Company that is now closed, or the Cakewalk IP that Meng purchased. This desn't efect me s much, but fr many users Blue Tubes were among their first concerns. If this is the case, there maybe some other little bit that can't be included, but it's all part of a fresh start.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 03:23:32
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After using studio one for the last few months, I REALLY appreciate the layout and look if sonar. Studio 1 is terrible looking. Particularly the track view. It's a mess.
My two cents:
Sonar is only lacking when it comes to time and pitch stretching. Studio 1 excels at this.
The only other thing is stability. I use Ctrl left and right arrow to zoom in and out -constantly. Every one in a while this caused a crash. Studio one has never crashed since I got it in December.
But sonar is a recording studio, and a great one.
The editing tools are so easy to use.
Between the included tools and the 3rd party plugins, it's damn near perfect.
Honestly, I don't want them to change much.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 04:02:48
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2018/03/04 08:31:29
Kamikaze
Noel confirmed it will be basically the same product, and how couldn't in be in the timescale. Re branding, some fixes and new features is what I'd expect instead of current Vst's being reworked.
I do wander abut things like the Blue Tubes bundle, and whether the agreement to include these was between Blue Tubes and the Cakewalk Company that is now closed, or the Cakewalk IP that Meng purchased. This desn't efect me s much, but fr many users Blue Tubes were among their first concerns. If this is the case, there maybe some other little bit that can't be included, but it's all part of a fresh start.
I tried to like the BlueTubes bundle, I really did. Just never hit it off. I won't miss it.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 05:33:04
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Noel confirmed it will be basically the same product, and how couldn't in be in the timescale. Re branding, some fixes and new features is what I'd expect instead of current Vst's being reworked.
I do wander abut things like the Blue Tubes bundle, and whether the agreement to include these was between Blue Tubes and the Cakewalk Company that is now closed, or the Cakewalk IP that Meng purchased. This desn't efect me s much, but fr many users Blue Tubes were among their first concerns. If this is the case, there maybe some other little bit that can't be included, but it's all part of a fresh start.
I tried to like the BlueTubes bundle, I really did. Just never hit it off. I won't miss it.
Gotta agree with you there, I mean some of it was OK but there was nothing that impressed me to the point where I reached for it instead of plugins I already had. I'd probably appreciate them if I was starting out with nothing though.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 06:41:21
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I tried to like the BlueTubes bundle, I really did. Just never hit it off. I won't miss it.
Likewise. I liked the BT stereo imager, but really couldn't get with the rest of them. And lately I use the Waves S1 imager. I think it is as easy to use as BT and does a better job summing to mono (at least it seems that way to me.)
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 06:49:24
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Sonar works excellently for my workflow, and has for 20 + years, I'd wish for a few fixes in the current GUI only. Everything seems to be working well and it's been very stable.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 06:53:44
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RCH what do you want in the New Flagship DAW (it has new code) So I guess it will be different from SPLAT. Not an enhanced version of SPLAT.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 11:30:54
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2018/03/04 17:32:45
dappa1
RCH what do you want in the New Flagship DAW (it has new code) So I guess it will be different from SPLAT. Not an enhanced version of SPLAT.
 that contradicts the info we've been given, that is, that it will likely be very similar to the last sonar release
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 12:22:11
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dappa1
RCH what do you want in the New Flagship DAW (it has new code) So I guess it will be different from SPLAT. Not an enhanced version of SPLAT.
I agree with Paul. There was never any news of any "New code" ? Unless of course you can provide a link ?
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 12:32:12
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Noel confirmed it will be basically the same product, and how couldn't in be in the timescale. Re branding, some fixes and new features is what I'd expect instead of current Vst's being reworked.
I do wander abut things like the Blue Tubes bundle, and whether the agreement to include these was between Blue Tubes and the Cakewalk Company that is now closed, or the Cakewalk IP that Meng purchased. This desn't efect me s much, but fr many users Blue Tubes were among their first concerns. If this is the case, there maybe some other little bit that can't be included, but it's all part of a fresh start.
I tried to like the BlueTubes bundle, I really did. Just never hit it off. I won't miss it.
Gotta agree with you there, I mean some of it was OK but there was nothing that impressed me to the point where I reached for it instead of plugins I already had. I'd probably appreciate them if I was starting out with nothing though.
Gee, I'm not the only one then. To be honest, I didn't give them much of a go, but I did take some time to give them a good look over when I first got my hands on them. I didn't see or hear anything from them that I didn't already have well covered. But they would definitely be an attractive option for someone starting out.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 12:43:55
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fwiw, nomad factory (blue tubes) stuff comes up on sale at least once a year, so for those users who do like them there's a cheap way to continue, i got the full whack for $50 a couple of years ago, before they were bundled with sonar
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:08:47
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☄ Helpfulby sharke 2018/03/04 18:46:26
It would be really sad if they are basing their new Flagship DAW based on the bugs that are still in the old DAW. I would expect some change to the code in its new form. I would not expect it to look similar but have similar features that we all know and love. But I do expect it to be a NEW DAW. There would be no incentive for new customers if it is solely based on what we have already.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:17:48
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From Meng's updated announcement:
"As you can imagine, there is some complexity in this, and I am currently personally working through all of the agreements that have a $ per unit or % dollar amount and negotiating to remove them on the go-forward to ensure this is possible. We only have 2 left to go - they are specific replaceable bits of code and are a nice to have, but hopefully this moves quickly. If it's not something that can be achieved, we'll replace them with either our own technology or work with other partners who want to be part of future releases."
At Rbh,
I'm pretty sure SPLAT has shaped my workflow, just couldn't get comfortable with any of the alternatives...
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:24:46
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It would be really sad if they are basing their new Flagship DAW based on the bugs that are still in the old DAW. I would expect some change to the code in its new form. I would not expect it to look similar but have similar features that we all know and love. But I do expect it to be a NEW DAW. There would be no incentive for new customers if it is solely based on what we have already.
let us know how you get on with that 
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:27:22
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I knew there was information about replacing some code in there. They are working quickly and looking at change and development with other partners. I knew I had my information correct. Some of Ya'll need to reread.
However, if there is a name change I am sure features and the look of the formerly known as Sonar will have a different look and some features the same. Some new VST's and plugins why? cos Bandlab has to make their mark. We saw when Gibson took over the X series came into play from when it belonged to Roland so I expect the same especially if other coders are going to integrate in to sonar (Formerly known as) and put their stamp on it.
I think it is only to be expected but obviously, we have older heads that do not believe in change. Remember if you are getting a free crossgrade then do not complain if it looks and feels a little bit different. Plus the Bakers wanted to implement new ideas. I only expect good things.
Will it outperform Studio One 3 that is yet to be seen? But I do expect modern or quirky.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:29:26
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dappa1
It would be really sad if they are basing their new Flagship DAW based on the bugs that are still in the old DAW. I would expect some change to the code in its new form. I would not expect it to look similar but have similar features that we all know and love. But I do expect it to be a NEW DAW. There would be no incentive for new customers if it is solely based on what we have already.
let us know how you get on with that
Maybe I got the inside info!!
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:35:14
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This is What Noel said 13 hours ago:
"Files are going to be 100% compatible and we're not making any big changes in the first release. As Meng mentioned earlier, we prefer to under promise and over deliver. Somehow I think users are going to be pleasantly surprised however :)"
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:46:17
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/03/04 16:02:21
dappa1
It would be really sad if they are basing their new Flagship DAW based on the bugs that are still in the old DAW. I would expect some change to the code in its new form. I would not expect it to look similar but have similar features that we all know and love. But I do expect it to be a NEW DAW. There would be no incentive for new customers if it is solely based on what we have already.
First your signature says "Sonar X2" did you upgrade to Platinum? Or are you stuck on a version that is vastly inferior? And now to the next point. There would be plenty of incentive for new customers if it is based on what we already have. The last version of Sonar is without a doubt one of the best DAWs ever made. Why do you think we had all the outcries when Gibson decided not to invest in the continual updates? Many of us didn't even jump ship, hoping that another company would be smart enough buy it to continue with updates....even if those updates are just to ensure compatibility with Windows releases. They don't need to change anything about the look or feel. I'm sure the bits of code change Meng mentioned needed to be replaced are tied to 3rd party items. He made that fairly clear in his post. I would expect them not to include the Blues Tubes bundle (good riddance, never used it anyway). Those of you using the Stereo Widener plugin, check out Ozone's free product. If you want a totally new DAW move on to one of the products from another company. I'm betting Meng bought the IP for Cakewalk because he knew it was a great product already that they could take to market easily. Hopefully they will keep the theme editor function, so we can use a custom Theme we already know an love. I do hope they can also keep the Overloud products in the Pro Channel. Those are a nice value add.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:52:40
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dappa1
It would be really sad if they are basing their new Flagship DAW based on the bugs that are still in the old DAW. I would expect some change to the code in its new form. I would not expect it to look similar but have similar features that we all know and love. But I do expect it to be a NEW DAW. There would be no incentive for new customers if it is solely based on what we have already.
First your signature says "Sonar X2" did you upgrade to Platinum? Or are you stuck on a version that is vastly inferior?
And now to the next point. There would be plenty of incentive for new customers if it is based on what we already have. The last version of Sonar is without a doubt one of the best DAWs ever made. Why do you think we had all the outcries when Gibson decided not to invest in the continual updates? Many of us didn't even jump ship, hoping that another company would be smart enough buy it to continue with updates....even if those updates are just to ensure compatibility with Windows releases.
They don't need to change anything about the look or feel.
I'm sure the bits of code change Meng mentioned needed to be replaced are tied to 3rd party items. He made that fairly clear in his post.
I would expect them not to include the Blues Tubes bundle (good riddance, never used it anyway). Those of you using the Stereo Widener plugin, check out Ozone's free product.
If you want a totally new DAW move on to one of the products from another company. I'm betting Meng bought the IP for Cakewalk because he knew it was a great product already that they could take to market easily. Hopefully they will keep the theme editor function, so we can use a custom Theme we already know an love.
I do hope they can also keep the Overloud products in the Pro Channel. Those are a nice value add.
I have SPLAT thanks, with lifetime updates too (woohoo!) Now a free crossgrade. I don't think Bandlab are stuck. I one hundred percent think they will be some changes, however small; and a new direction that will bring in new customers. The old people who don't want change will have to, if they want to continue to support with whatever direction Bandlab takes the newly named DAW. Would be nice to see third party support. A new GUI (Modified) timing issues solved and marketing more geared toward professional producers and newbies. I think you cats who have been around for eons will just have to crossgrade and understand behind the hood its still cakewalk. :)
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 13:59:59
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Yes I have SPLAT I also paid for lifetime updates. I will be happy with the crossgrade. I also have Studio One 3
So I guess I'm winning all the way around.
BTW. Brian Walton i am sharing ideas no need to be so touchy. However, in the future I would like to see a radical change in the way Sonar acts and performs. Don't you?
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 14:03:23
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dappa1in the future I would like to see a radical change in the way Sonar acts and performs.
got an example of such a radical change?
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 14:10:21
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No old code lag 
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 16:22:47
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I imagine that our free crossgrade will just consist of maybe the last update that never got rolled out and a rebranding plus perhaps, some kind of Banlab integration. If anyone believes they will be getting a brand new, amazingly redeveloped DAW, I think they will be disappointed :)
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 16:28:07
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I imagine that our free crossgrade will just consist of maybe the last update that never got rolled out and a rebranding plus perhaps, some kind of Banlab integration. If anyone believes they will be getting a brand new, amazingly redeveloped DAW, I think they will be disappointed :)
my thoughts exactly
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 16:30:59
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Who is saying we getting a brand new DAW I didn't say that. Reread what I said...
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 16:43:23
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From Meng's updated announcement:
they are specific replaceable bits of code and are a nice to have, but hopefully this moves quickly. If it's not something that can be achieved, we'll replace them with either our own technology or work with other partners who want to be part of future releases."
I could be wrong but isn't this "The code for the included 3rd party plug ins that are free with Sonar (overloud, Nomad, Bark of the dog, exc) Which to me sounds more like a legal issue (seeing how some of these vendors unlocked our plug ins for free). Those codes need to be replaced. but you can take it any way you'd like. When I asked for a link to.. where is this "new code" your talking about ? It wasn't this. I think Sonar has a great upside for what it is right now, it could be better but it has a great workflow to it and amazing, powerful features. But I just think its a little humorous to see anyone living a pipe dream waiting for a new coded, brand new DAW rolling out anytime soon, within the next 6 weeks. Don't get your hopes up too high. Just be happy Sonar is back for right now. Only the future knows what's in store for this DAW. I hope its a great future.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 16:48:52
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As a cross-grade and as a Product being worked on by Bandlab and Cake. It will be a new DAW. I went on to say will it have new plugins and VST's. I also mentioned that it will be the same DAW but maybe with some extras, I ask a question what those extras may look like. The changes might be slight but it still will be Sonar (fomerly known as) some of you guys really need to learn how to comprehend.
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Re: New Flagship DAW ready to come out the oven.
2018/03/04 16:51:26
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chuckebaby
DeeringAmps
From Meng's updated announcement:
they are specific replaceable bits of code and are a nice to have, but hopefully this moves quickly. If it's not something that can be achieved, we'll replace them with either our own technology or work with other partners who want to be part of future releases."
I could be wrong but isn't this "The code for the included 3rd party plug ins that are free with Sonar (overloud, Nomad, Bark of the dog, exc) Which to me sounds more like a legal issue (seeing how some of these vendors unlocked our plug ins for free). Those codes need to be replaced. but you can take it any way you'd like.
When I asked for a link to.. where is this "new code" your talking about ? It wasn't this.
I think Sonar has a great upside for what it is right now, it could be better but it has a great workflow to it and amazing, powerful features.
But I just think its a little humorous to see anyone living a pipe dream waiting for a new coded, brand new DAW rolling out anytime soon, within the next 6 weeks.
Don't get your hopes up too high. Just be happy Sonar is back for right now. Only the future knows what's in store for this DAW. I hope its a great future.
Who said complete new code. Are you not able to comprehend, I asked if those VST's will be new and plugins. I also said some of the code will be revamped (why) because of the bugs that Sonar had previous. These I presume are the things that will be worked on. You guys really need to pay attention before shooting off at the hip lol
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