JazzSinger
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 04:44:10
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As a laptop user, seeing fewer tracks at once keeps me on 8.5.3
Also, I copy and paste values across console view controls a lot, especially between toms, cymbals. Quick and precise. That's been taken away in X1.
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CharlesWince
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 04:47:57
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I've just tried X1 (the new B stuff) and it works 99% so far. I'm using my friend's system to see how it goes.
I use it pretty deep. I do lots of MIDI externals. Love the MIDI editing stuff.
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Stevethesearcher
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 09:35:27
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chuckebaby
Stevethesearcher
Mudgel,
That last sentence in your post is my experience. Except I use Sonar PE 7.
I havent given up on X1. I never even upgraded. It seems to me that the whole thing was rushed out according to the things I have read here.
As a Reason 4 owner I am updating to Reason 5 as soon as I get my new Laptop in May or June but I think I will hold off until X12 to upgrade or else see what other options are out there. I will make up my mind in late May early June about it.
wht didnt you upgrade to sonar 8?..same reason..you read it was rushed?
No you are completely wrong. I didnt upgrade to 8 because I was new to Sonar 7 having just bought it and was still learning how to use it. I was going to buy 8.5 when it came out but hit financial problems. Even a hundred dollars was a big issue for me. Every cent was an issue. Not all of us are rich in this forum. In fact I shouldnt be buying recording stuff at all but do so because writing and recording music is my passion.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 09:53:08
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The only way to handle sub-mixes in X1 I see is to route to buses. This means I've got to scroll back and forth between the main track view and the buses. X1 follows the more "traditional" old style hardware mixer analogy. I think Sonar has to migrate away from this old model.
They have, they're called screensets. Set one up with your tracks in CV (or TV if you prefer) another with your busses and jump between them instantly with one button press. Can't get much simpler IMHO.
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rjp07044
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 10:55:31
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Thanks FBB, your suggestion can help a little...but... I've attached screen-shots of how I have things set up in reaper. I wish X1 had this sort of facility. If anyone has ideas how to achieve this in Sonar I'd love to hear.  
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UnderTow
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 11:15:24
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rjp07044, I've been arguing for having nested folders and the ability to put busses anywhere in the track view plus more flexible routing for years but it falls on deaf ears and instead we get superficial GUI changes and a general dumbing down of the interface. Actually worse than that: X1 has been changed in certain ways making it harder to stay purely in the Track View which tells me that whomever has the last word at Cakewalk as far as Sonar design is concerned is very old school indeed. UnderTow
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rjp07044
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 11:39:57
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Undertow, interesting to hear, thanks. When Sonar or Pro Audio first came out with buses and a configurable number of buses etc.. this was great and a wonderful leap forward. But that was years ago and Sonar will need to keep up with the times. With regard to an earlier post, yes Cakewalk may have bet the farm on X1, but the number of outstanding issues was, IMO a reflection of lack of quality assurance testing. Of course end users will submit trouble reports but it seems Cakewalk is relying too heavily on this. If they want to rely on end users then they should create a public beta test program. I think the competition is creeping up. I'd love to see Cakewalk maintain it's strong market position (as I'm heavily "invested")- but they need to clean up their process. And by the way, I would not have discovered the alternative products and their features had I not had problems with X1.
post edited by rjp07044 - 2011/03/31 11:42:44
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 11:44:21
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Poco
I own X1, and ... ...I guess some people just enjoy suffering. Not me. This X1 issue does not bother me at all, because I don't use it. If something tastes bad, stop eating it. It's probably not good for you.
Stop enabling, and behavior will change. That is a universal concept.
I don't mean to quote you out of context, but this may summarize your earlier post? Anyway, I totally agree with your complete post; well stated.
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 12:02:45
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rjp07044
Undertow, interesting to hear, thanks.
When Sonar or Pro Audio first came out with buses and a configurable number of buses etc.. this was great and a wonderful leap forward. But that was years ago and Sonar will need to keep up with the times.
With regard to an earlier post, yes Cakewalk may have bet the farm on X1, but the number of outstanding issues was, IMO a reflection of lack of quality assurance testing. Of course end users will submit trouble reports but it seems Cakewalk is relying too heavily on this. If they want to rely on end users then they should create a public beta test program.
I think the competition is creeping up. I'd love to see Cakewalk maintain it's strong market position (as I'm heavily "invested")- but they need to clean up their process.
And by the way, I would not have discovered the alternative products and their features had I not had problems with X1.
I think they decided to release it even knowing its real state !! Feedbacks were gaven ....so 2 possibilty : Lack of treatment or transmission of infos or no time to adress everything on time ....When i used the beta while i was trying to say "look at this , check this ect ...." the only mail i had is : how the hell do you have access to the beta ...." The communication is just ridiculous between us and cakewalk / roland....between cakewalk and roland too i think ...making things movings is just a fight .....
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A1MixMan
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 12:22:42
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Poco
I own X1, and have downloaded the A and B patches, but why in the world would I switch to it when I have active client work? I mean, what's the rush? Has 8.5.3 stopped working? Wasn't it doing just fine before X1 came out? I hate to say it, but you guys are gonna be the guinea pigs, not me. By the time I start using X (anything), it will work to the same degree (or better) than my current version, or I simply won't switch. Most of my clients have no idea what the X1 interface looks like, and don't care which version I use. What they DO care about is how quickly I can turn the work around.
This thing of going for the new for newness' sake is truly baffling. Want to know what would really make Cake get their act together? That would happen if nobody used the new product until it works right... All the way through. That would certainly instill a "sense of urgency" in the management team.
Do you realize that by using what is admittedly a very sloppy implementation you are enabling that sloppy model? The way to get prompt (ok, even more prompt) bullet proof releases is to hold Roland's (yes it's Roland now - Get used to it) feet to the fire by simply uninstalling X1, telling everyone that you've done that, and using a perfectly good 8.5.3 until the vast majority of the reports made by those who insist on using the latest-greatest are wonderfully positive. This way you can let them be the guinea pigs.
I have yet to see that, and until I do, I will merrily make music using a great product whose interface I am adept with, and whose short comings I know well, and know how to avoid. I guess some people just enjoy suffering. Not me. This X1 issue does not bother me at all, because I don't use it. If something tastes bad, stop eating it. It's probably not good for you.
Stop enabling, and behavior will change. That is a universal concept.
I agree you shouldn't install X1 in the middle of a client project or even your own. Having installed X1 since the first couple of days of release, I've learned to LOVE IT and would never even consider moving back to 8.5.3. We've started 2 new projects, and have went through alot of the pains of X1 along with everyone else. But we have completed those projects the fastest we've ever done that. All while learning the new interface. I really like the workflow of X1 and am very glad I've been using it since the beginning. It's only going to get better and better.
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A1MixMan
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 12:26:34
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AngryX1User
'fraid you've got a little logic problem there, Einstein.
grrrrrr!!!
I am angry too!! ^5 on the rude sarcasm!!
grrrrrrr!! GAME FACE!!!
Dude, I hope you don't EVER get a life, because that's some funny shirt there...
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A1MixMan
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 12:39:18
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And I'm disappointed to see Cakewalk's slow turn-around. Again I've seen that in some cases the Reaper devs turn out fixes on a daily basis. This is only natural when comparing a relativly new product with one that's been around for along time.
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DeveryH
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Re:One week later
2011/03/31 12:42:13
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A1MixMan
AngryX1User
'fraid you've got a little logic problem there, Einstein.
grrrrrr!!!
I am angry too!! ^5 on the rude sarcasm!!
grrrrrrr!! GAME FACE!!!
Dude, I hope you don't EVER get a life, because that's some funny shirt there...
The sad thing is he mocks to a "t" a lot of the users on this forum.
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