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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 11, 11 8:28 PM (permalink)
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any more feedback? I am tempted but need convincing :)

For myself-I find the interface much more User friendly. Easier to vnavigate and everything seems much more accessible with minimum motion. Also, there is "like a quick selcet button for each module which pops up the presets for that moduke "only" you can add your own to this also. You can also change the object folder of tht button. That alone is worth the $99 to me.
But that's me-As I stated I need much more hand holding when it comes to mixing my music, I am a Pro guitar player but no pro engineer.
I'm very happy I bought the upgrade.

 
 
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 5:04 AM (permalink)
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I did not see where anyone mentioned that if you bought Ozone 4 within a certain time frame, as I did a few weeks ago, you get the upgrade to Ozone 5 for free. I got an e-mail from them them yesterday and quickly checked my account and there was the serial number for Ozone 5. It is very impressive I must say. The presets make it so easy to get a sound quickly. Good-bye O4!


Yes, but what good is a serial number without the software?  Did they also e-mail you a download link?  How does this free upgrade to Ozone 5 work?  I don't see any information about it listed on their website. 


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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 8:06 AM (permalink)
The serial number authorises the demo that anyone can download.
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 6:19 PM (permalink)
Thanks Stratman - I bought it myself last night and have been working with it all day today - what a great piece of software. I am finishing off a CD with a singer and had already mastered with Ozone 4. I had to make some slight changes to a couple of mixes and then re-mastered with Ozone 5. I can't believe how natural sounding these masters are and I was already pleased with what I had done in Ozone 4. Nice one Izotope. 
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 7:32 PM (permalink)
Agreed Daryl!

Downloaded the demo today and will defnitely make the jump. Smooth is the word that comes to mind. Very musical. A winner!

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 7:55 PM (permalink)
Be careful that you're not being misled by expectation bias.

After you've remastered a song with Ozone 5 and feel that it's been improved, go back to Ozone 4 and try to match it. I've been doing this for 3 days now and every time I was able to tweak Ozone 4 until it was nearly indistinguishable from Ozone 5.


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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 7:57 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Be careful that you're not being misled by expectation bias.

After you've remastered a song with Ozone 5 and feel that it's been improved, go back to Ozone 4 and try to match it. I've been doing this for 3 days now and every time I was able to tweak Ozone 4 until it was nearly indistinguishable from Ozone 5.

Don't a lot of peeps here say the same about compressors and EQ's (i.e. UAD vs Sonitus)?


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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 8:18 PM (permalink)
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Be careful that you're not being misled by expectation bias.

After you've remastered a song with Ozone 5 and feel that it's been improved, go back to Ozone 4 and try to match it. I've been doing this for 3 days now and every time I was able to tweak Ozone 4 until it was nearly indistinguishable from Ozone 5.

While I didn't go crazy trying things out last night, I did spend some time.


The simple thing to say, for me, is that - it's Ozone.   IOW it does what it does (and very well).   BUt other than some improvements in the GUI (which are welcomed and nice), I wouldn't say they made a better wheel -- just a more polished Ozone.


But I bought the upgrade and I'm not unhappy about doing so.



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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 8:50 PM (permalink)
I'm finding that the maximizer is not adhering to my threshold settings. In other words, it's going above the peak limit I set, even after I set it to 'Hard' or option III.

Anyone else seeing this in O5? I'm using the demo of O5-Advanced.

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 10:30 PM (permalink)
Bitflipper - wouldn't your 3 days of trying to recreate O5 in O4 have been better spent mastering stuff? I wish I had as much spare time as you :)     No regrets for buying O5 here.
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 12, 11 11:28 PM (permalink)
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Bitflipper - wouldn't your 3 days of trying to recreate O5 in O4 have been better spent mastering stuff? I wish I had as much spare time as you :)     No regrets for buying O5 here.
:) Hehe. Leave Bit alone ... he's getting old and we should never question our elders wisdom. ;)

There are some new features of Ozone 5 (Advanced) that weren't there in Ozone 4 that, now that I've used them, I never want to be without ever again.

That said, I need 599 people to Paypal $1 dollar or 1 very generous person to Paypal $599 dollars, to my email address before the end of next week when my demo period runs out. LOL! Don't make me sell a guitar people ... together we can do this! HEHE

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 0:59 PM (permalink)
Bitflipper - wouldn't your 3 days of trying to recreate O5 in O4 have been better spent mastering stuff? I wish I had as much spare time as you :)

I consider it prudent to spend 3 days researching the product, given that I'd be spending every day for the next couple of years with it. A hundred bucks or a thousand bucks, you'd have to be quite the, er, optimist to just buy every shiny thing that comes your way.

What I was trying to determine is if O5 actually had something to offer. Turns out it does, but the benefits are marginal, and do not include better limiting.

I would challenge you to post before and after samples that illustrate how much better they sound with O5 over O4. Seriously.

And Bub, I am not getting old. I am old, dammit. It's you are getting old. I'm already there.


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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 11:55 AM (permalink)
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Bitflipper - wouldn't your 3 days of trying to recreate O5 in O4 have been better spent mastering stuff? I wish I had as much spare time as you :)

I consider it prudent to spend 3 days researching the product, given that I'd be spending every day for the next couple of years with it. A hundred bucks or a thousand bucks, you'd have to be quite the, er, optimist to just buy every shiny thing that comes your way.

Yeah- I agree.  It's not like Ozone 5 is DAW 2.0  lol.
What I was trying to determine is if O5 actually had something to offer. Turns out it does, but the benefits are marginal, and do not include better limiting.

This is what I'm seeing/hearing as well.



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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 12:45 AM (permalink)
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And Bub, I am not getting old. I am old, dammit. It's you are getting old. I'm already there.



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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 12:51 AM (permalink)
Bub

I'm finding that the maximizer is not adhering to my threshold settings. In other words, it's going above the peak limit I set, even after I set it to 'Hard' or option III.

Anyone else seeing this in O5? I'm using the demo of O5-Advanced.
I figured out what the problem was. It was so basic I overlooked it.

By default the limiter is in the middle of the effects chain. I swapped it to the end and it works fine now. Also, I meant to say 'Margin' not 'Threshold' above.

But anyway, since it was set like that by default, you guys may want to check it on your end.

I was always under the impression the limiter should be at the very end, but maybe I'm wrong?

I have to say, after setting it to HARD limit and tweaking the 'Release', I was able to get some very impressive results. It also says they added a new limiting option, but honestly, I couldn't hear any difference between them. The 'Release' timing made the most audible impact IMO.


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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 1:13 PM (permalink)
Bub. I'm confused by this. I'm also seeing the Maximizer, by default, before EQ2. I've moved it to the end and saved as a default. Well, never mind, applying a second EQ not something I'm likely to do, but I'd like to know the thinking behind it.
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 3:54 PM (permalink)
Bitflipper - I know, I was only yanking your chain :) Joking apart though, I am finding that I get to the desired result quicker with O5 than I did with O4 - that fact alone is worth the upgrade.
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 5:19 PM (permalink)
I agree, the UI is easier to work with. It's just not 99 bucks' worth of convenience.


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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 6:09 PM (permalink)
But it IS $199 worth of convenience for those of us who are not Ozone 4 owners?

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 6:31 PM (permalink)
I guess another consideration for O5 Advanced is that you can insert the individual plugs on channels rather than inserting the entire O4. I believe that doing this is less drag on the system. However, Alloy is a good substitute and quite a bit less than O5. I guess the biggest benefits of O5 Advanced is the new look and feel as well as the meter bridge. Also, another benefit of picking up the non-Advanced O5 now is that  you may get a discount off O6 Advanced down the road - maybe ??
Maybe the intro price for O5 Advanced is worth it for someone that does not have Ozone yet, however, I agree, it doesn't seem worth it if you already have O4 and Alloy.

Just another $0.02

Thanks for all the input here - good discussion!

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 8:06 PM (permalink)
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But it IS $199 worth of convenience for those of us who are not Ozone 4 owners?

Tom,
if you don't have O4 or below then I would certainly say that O5 is worth $199!  I'm undecided myself yet whether it's worth upgrading from O4 to O5 for $99, but if I didn't have O4 I would certainly want O5 for $199.

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 13, 11 9:47 PM (permalink)
Thanks Beagle
I'll install the demo and give it a drive...

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 14, 11 0:05 PM (permalink)
I use Oz4 and Alloy. Thanks for the comment from "Gibsongs". I was wondering if the extra $$ for advanced was worth it. I think I will just get the upgrade Oz5 for $99 tomorrow. You just saved me the extra $300.
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 14, 11 8:01 AM (permalink)
I have have baught the ozone 5 advanced upgrade also, but have an annoying problem, since i did the update, my Plug in control surfaces dissapeared, i don't know what i did to make that happen but can't resolve it either, anybody's got a clue as where i have to look to get them back ? been looking for over an hour know...

as i double click on the fx bin, nothing happes, nothing opens, can't find them anywhere...
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 14, 11 3:58 PM (permalink)
I have the more limited version of Ozone plugs that ships with Sound Forge 10 Pro. I was wondering if anyone has tried to upgrade from that and if they cut you a break. Also, I am guessing from what everyone is saying that it is worth it to get the full version.

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 18, 11 6:03 AM (permalink)
ok, for one reason or another my problem dissapeared after several reboots.
But i've noticed something else.
At first i used ozone 4 and that worked really smooth, but now with ozone 5 advance, it uses almost all my cpu power sometimes up to 73 procent with some annoying audio dropouts as a result.
Tried the same in the same project with ozone 4 and it only uses 16 procent of cpu power ?
is this normal ?
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 18, 11 6:12 AM (permalink)
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I have the more limited version of Ozone plugs that ships with Sound Forge 10 Pro. I was wondering if anyone has tried to upgrade from that and if they cut you a break. Also, I am guessing from what everyone is saying that it is worth it to get the full version.

Disclaimer....I know absolutely nothing about the craft of properly mastering music.

There are ecause I like every shiny new thing that comes my way.no breaks for owning the cut down mastering suite from iZotope that comes with Sound Forge. it's already a break that it's included with SF.
 
As for oZone 5 advanced. I pulled the trigger on it because I like every shiny new thing that comes my way. Also it is very good software. It lets me use less plugins to get more done.

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 18, 11 7:28 AM (permalink)
clada - Izotope claims that O5 is less CPU intensive than O4 so it sond slike you may have a problem there
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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 18, 11 3:48 PM (permalink)
Moving to Ozone 5 from 4, my 1st drops out are occuring on my i5 laptop.
Version 4 did not do this. I am on X1 expanded. I had to increase my buffers.

 It`s usable, but I agree with bitflipper, I was doing the same with Version 4.
I only spent $99. I used it about an hour or so on an trance song, to my ears,
sounds the same as 4. I will post more as I use it more.
Hope the CPU usage is addressed soon.
I do like the newer GUI, it is easier to use.
 With the older version , I could drop OZone4 on a track a few places.
I won`t be doing that with version 5, yet!

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Re:Ozone 5 and Sonar X1 November 18, 11 4:01 PM (permalink)
Don. Do you have IRC III selected in the Maximizer?
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