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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 10:41:30
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Funny. We have had people rant about how they can use Studio One without a manual, and this guy is ranting at Studio One that he can work in Mixcraft without a manual.
So, if he can get some other DAW to work easily, why is he messing around with another one? These guys crack me up.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 10:58:48
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John
Jeff Emagic's Logic 4 had no web site at that time. When I bought it it took 4 month to get the manual. There was no such thing as a help file either.
Is that the same emagic that has..or had(?) ..the eJay series? 
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 11:04:49
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Ok, which one of you practical jokers sent "Godparticle" over to the Studio One forum?  We're sending him back on the next Redeye with his pants on fire. 
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http://forums.presonus.com/posts/list/36261.page
http://forums.presonus.com/posts/list/36474.page
Trolling again. I think he just does this for entertainment. He tries to get fanboys fired up. ROFL it is entertaining to say the least. Freddie H
http://forums.presonus.com/posts/list/36261.page
Either the S1 developers are super intelligent or i am damn stupid?
HMMMM I wonder which one it is? I am going with he is damn stupid. his next comment confirms this.
YOU S1 developers need to take A DAMN HARD LOOK AT MIXCRAFT 6 AND COMPLETELY OVERHAUL THE S1 INTERFACE. , so i must be blind as well as damn stupid, but how can that be, because i dam well saw it in Mixcraft 6.
If he spent as much time using mixcraft instead of attacking other DAWS he may just get something done, but not likely. FYI we had him on a leash but he broke away and got free!
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 11:08:05
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A true Codparticle....smelling already but still getting all lines tangled!
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 15:57:05
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Unless of course he's doing it deliberately, in which case he's hooked all of us, line, rod, sinker & copy of Angling Times
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 19:09:29
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"Anyone halfwit can deduce that Presonus Studio One 2.5 is a safe bet compared to this bucket of worms. It seems that Studio One is dream come true compared to this crap, and thousands of users of Studio One will agree with me without reservation, including myriads of former Sonar users."
- godparticle, stating his opinion of X2
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 19:35:08
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Apparently he likes Studio One now. He says its the Ducks Nuts as he says on the forum there. He must have spent a few minutes actually reading what people had to say there or the manual to finally figure out what he was trying to do..I think he might be slightly impatient!
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 19:57:12
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I have Studio Ones 2.5 and don't use it. Not because it is difficult to learn because its easy to learn. But because I like X2 better a lot better. I like the way X2 works. I like the options I have in setting it up. I like the depth it has. Most of all it supports my hardware synths.
To me S1 is a nice simple audio program with severe limitations. I'm also a Pro Channel devotee. S1 is not in the same league as Sonar X2.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 20:24:49
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I have Studio Ones 2.5 and don't use it. Not because it is difficult to learn because its easy to learn. But because I like X2 better a lot better. I like the way X2 works. I like the options I have in setting it up. I like the depth it has. Most of all it supports my hardware synths. To me S1 is a nice simple audio program with severe limitations. I'm also a Pro Channel devotee. S1 is not in the same league as Sonar X2.
All opinion not fact. John has not spent enough time with Studio One to make any valid observations about it. I have been using it for two and half years every day. Once you get into it on that level you have a completely different opinion. It is not simple it is very deep. It handles midi very well. I have a serious hardware synth setup and it all works a treat. In terms of stability and reliability it is king. It is not dependant on drivers, OS or anything else, it just works, simple as that. It is bullet proof and has been designed from the ground up, something most other DAW's cannot say. Audio engine is amazing and still way ahead of Sonar. It can also do things that Sonar cannot such as jumping midi tracks while loop recording. It is super creative and you spend no time and I mean no time fiddling around with getting it to work. It already works, you just focus on your music period. But that is OK John I am happy to agree to disagree. I also admit that I have been a long term 8.5 user and don't know much about X1 or X2 either. But reading the X1/X2 problems that do come up I am just so glad I have made the right choice because many of the problems that people complain about in Sonar I am not experiencing at all in Studio One. Oh BTW not one crash since I installed it two and half years ago. Can you say that? I think the Sonar forum is great though. One of the best. Very informative and very helpful people here. That is why there are many non Sonar users still here I guess.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 20:30:52
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He is even funnier on there than he was here.
I think my favorite was:- GP posted a rant about how something in S1 didn't work, and how useless the manual was. Some kind and long-suffering member posted some screenshots to help him.
GP posted back his usual abuse, claiming that he had no idea what the pictures were of, or what he meant.
The helpful member pointed out that one of the screenshots was of GP's beloved Mixcraft.. Priceless.
So, did he ever use Mixcraft, even? He certainly never owned Sonar. Perhaps he doesn't have S1 either.
Maybe he doesn't have a computer, and just posts from his mum's phone..
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 21:05:08
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jb101
Maybe he doesn't have a computer, and just posts from his mum's phone..
That's pretty hilarious! 
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 21:14:41
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Jeff Evans
I have Studio Ones 2.5 and don't use it. Not because it is difficult to learn because its easy to learn. But because I like X2 better a lot better. I like the way X2 works. I like the options I have in setting it up. I like the depth it has. Most of all it supports my hardware synths. To me S1 is a nice simple audio program with severe limitations. I'm also a Pro Channel devotee. S1 is not in the same league as Sonar X2.
All opinion not fact. John has not spent enough time with Studio One to make any valid observations about it. I have been using it for two and half years every day. Once you get into it on that level you have a completely different opinion. It is not simple it is very deep. It handles midi very well. I have a serious hardware synth setup and it all works a treat. In terms of stability and reliability it is king. It is not dependant on drivers, OS or anything else, it just works, simple as that. It is bullet proof and has been designed from the ground up, something most other DAW's cannot say. Audio engine is amazing and still way ahead of Sonar. It can also do things that Sonar cannot such as jumping midi tracks while loop recording. It is super creative and you spend no time and I mean no time fiddling around with getting it to work. It already works, you just focus on your music period.
But that is OK John I am happy to agree to disagree. I also admit that I have been a long term 8.5 user and don't know much about X1 or X2 either. But reading the X1/X2 problems that do come up I am just so glad I have made the right choice because many of the problems that people complain about in Sonar I am not experiencing at all in Studio One. Oh BTW not one crash since I installed it two and half years ago. Can you say that?
I think the Sonar forum is great though. One of the best. Very informative and very helpful people here. That is why there are many non Sonar users still here I guess.
Jeff you should know by now that X1/X2 are very solid DAWs. The fact that you don't have them is very surprising to me. I thought you could see through the nay sayers and recognize the evolution of Sonar for what it is. A better DAW. S1 has bugs too and they are being posted on their forum. Take a look. When did S1 offer the equivalent of instrument definitions? That is what I mean by support. X2a is very stable here and on most users computers. Its sad you have bought into the myth that the X series is unstable.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 21:38:14
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John
To me S1 is a nice simple audio program with severe limitations. Agreed. But it's growing fast and soon it might clear those limitations. When that happens, S1 might really be a fantastic daw. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next versions (both X3 and S1v3).
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 21:48:59
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Why have both S1 and X2 ? At 300+$ each, they look awfully similar.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 22:18:33
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Paul P
Why have both S1 and X2 ? At 300+$ each, they look awfully similar.
Sometimes you hit the wall with frustration and want to have plan B in place. I'm starting to learn S1 as my plan B. I wish I didn't have to but Cakewalk has been different lately and I want a backup.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 22:35:19
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Its funny that GP isn't here and is still causing problems. Why is this thread devolving into the merits of DAWs? Its everything GP could ask for!
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 22:46:14
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Hi John. Yes I don't have a decent enough computer to run X1/X2 but when I do get such a system I might give it a try. Another good thing about Studio One is that it runs on any computer and any OS as well.
This Instrument definitions argument is weak actually. It implies you are using presets all the time which I don't that much. If you edit a patch and store it somewhere else how does Sonar know of it's location anyway.
I find that the more pro work I seem to do the more I am editing patches and also bringing in other sounds from sound libraries etc into Kurzweil and EMU machines. Inst defs don't know anything about that.
I am of the opinion you should know exactly what preset any synth may be using at any instant. You need to find it, select it, maybe edit and use it. Th synth itself is the best thing to use to find sounds, not your software. That is how I work. And once happy I turn that into audio usually. And if I don't I simply either store it somewhere so the next day it loads back anyway. Or I make a note inside Studio One as to what the preset is and where it came from etc. For me lack of Inst definitions is not a game changer.
For something like a Kurzweil for example the Inst defs may be great for the 200 or so internal presets that are there but what about the million other sounds that are on my CD ROMS and hard drives. They are useless for those. They won't know about them. You have to physically search libraries and bring them in and use them then.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 22:51:17
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Gee, Studio One runs on any computer using any operating system. Oh, Jeff said that- it's probably not true.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 23:15:39
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Jeff clearly we have very different requirements . The DR 770 has about 200 presets. The SC 8850 has about 1500 patches. My XV 5080 is customized with all the patches from the Fantom as well as add on cards all of which are listed in Sonar. I have about 6000 patches total. And I can search these patches with ease within Sonar. Not having this ability is a complete show stopper for me.
I have been working with these synths for years and have created my own custom ins def files for them. I have also done so for others for their XVs.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/26 23:59:41
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John well I can completely understand your situation and I certainly agree Ins defs are very cool in your case. We do work very differently for sure. Many of my synths have internal memories too but nowhere as large as yours. I find I can hunt down sounds pretty fast in the synths internal memories but a larger number of sounds for me are not in the synths themselves but elsewhere.
Have you considered the Integra 7. Apparently it has got every patch Roland has ever made! That module sounds killer. I would love to have it and it is not expensive either.
backwoods Studio One works on XP/Win7/Win8 and on Mac OS 10.6 and all others after. This is rather good because you are not forced to go out and spend yet more money on later OS systems etc. It is rather smart actually. I have got a brilliant XP machine just chugging along perfectly here so why do I need to rush out and get the latest thing. I don't you see, the program works just as well on XP as it does Win 7/8. One of my machines is a single core 3Ghz processor as well and it runs perfectly on that too. That is cool. While not overly fast you don't have to go out and buy a whole new computer either.
Not so with Pro Tools though. My son's girlfriend bought PT 8 at the time and she just upgraded her Mac OS one notch up and PT8 just stopped. Turns out you need PT 10 now on the version Mac OS she has. That is just rude IMO. There is no upgrade path either she has to spend the full $700 or so now on PT 10/11 just to get a working DAW again.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 02:42:13
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@ Paul P
Why own both? Well, I record everything on Sonar X2A, but I master and burn CD's using studio one 2.5. (and yes I do also own Cake's audio creator)
What can I say except that for taking finshed mixes, tweaking them, assembling them, and burning them to CD, Studio one just works very well for me. I have owned the S1 professional version for quite some time but have never even used the typical DAW recording/mixing features. I just love Sonar producer for that part of music creation.
However I will admit that S1 is the ugliest looking "current" software titles that I use. Everything is just so darn blue-grey and uninspiring......
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 02:59:58
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I have both S1 and X2 here...reason?
Because I just like them. Simple.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 06:03:53
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absolute class go the godparticle lol haaaaaaaaaaaa best post ive seen on here yet, cheers to the OP
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 06:13:31
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Chuck the silly sausage a copy of PT10, Win 8 and send him over to the Avid forum!
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 09:59:27
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I was hoping we could all just have a good collective laugh over the troll (and we did :)), not really start a S1 vs. X2 daw war contest between sane and rational and mature users. But someone always has to rationalize their preferences and start the "can do" thing. Sonar X2 is a splendid product, so is Studio One. One is 15 years into development and the other is less than 4 years into development. Use what you prefer and be happy, no need to rationalize your preferences with irrational comparisons. As to instrument definitions, Studio One users have coded free third party add-ons for instrument definitions because they wanted to temporarily fill that gap while development continues. This is the definition of an engaged community. One uses Cubase patch scripts directly, the other uses Sonar instrument definitions directly. The former loads as a embedded tool on the main toolbar, the latter runs as stand alone app supplement. This goes to show that when people need to justify their own choices by daw war comparisons, they very often don't have enough accurate information to make a valid comparsion. We - the sane and rational and mature who fully appreciate the value of these complex products - shouldn't be at war with each other over software choices. That's for trolls and immature people. Long live Sonar and S1. Down with daw trolls. 
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 10:18:30
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JJ42 : "I was hoping we could all just have a good collective laugh over the troll, not start a S1 vs. X2 daw war contest between sane and rational and mature users. But someone always has to rationalize their preferences and start the "can do" thing. "
You've got to admit that your (this) thread was quite a bit of a troll as well :-)
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 10:37:03
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Not my intent. My intent was to make it clear that all of that guy's rants actually had nothing at all to do with Sonar ... and to have a good collective laugh about it all. Because people who do that should be identified so when he shows up somewhere else doing the same thing they can cross reference the angry trolling and put boot to anus, rather than spend time trying to help someone who doesn't actually even really want help.
But it's the net and people will debate or argue just about anything so, granted, maybe not the best idea. Thanks Paul. And so ends my first and last foray into the X2 forum. Best regards to you all.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 10:38:48
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bitflipper
The folks at CW must really be busy with something...almost 24 hours and this thread hasn't been moved to the CH, would seem to suggest there are no moderators present.
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 12:05:35
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"Some of the most interesting, profound yet thought provoking writtings I have ever read in my 42 years of existence were born in the coffee house. " sounds biblical, new new testament
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Re:Particle of God
2013/04/27 13:27:54
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A quick scan of the current thread titles does not suggest inspiration of biblical depth :-)
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