Pattor says: let your ears decide whether dither at 24 bits or not

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RE: Pattor says: let your ears decide whether dither at 24 bits or not 2006/04/30 13:36:39 (permalink)
mark4man...


I'm happy to see that many people do care about quality of audio. I'm amused at the proportions of this thread.


I don't quite get your latest post though...

So then...that tells me that quantization distortion (caused by truncation) equals a dulling of the signal. When the entire signal becomes less linear, I'm now thinking that it results in a loss of detail...a "warming" of the sound.


I do not consider the influence of truncation as something "warm". It might create an illusion of "clear", but not "warm". I have never heard anything dull with trunctaion. Only loss of information and an overall tinier soundscape.

You guys (yourself & UnderTow) are of the mindset that it creates digital harshness, right?


If I am "yourself" in the above quote, yes I consider truncation to create digital harshness (and in some cases "tiny-ness"). And I consider dithered versions to "keep" more of the musical information. I'm only interested in the musical information and not in distortion that simply does not provide anything musical.



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RE: Pattor says: let your ears decide whether dither at 24 bits or not 2006/05/01 10:34:57 (permalink)
pattor...

What I'm saying is...my experience is the opposite of what it should be, technically (according to you & other folks in the forum more knowledgeable than myself.)

If the rendered signal retains it linearity (as it should w/ a proper bounce)...then I should at least be getting what I'm hearing...unless I'm hearing a crappy original signal. Not sure what's going on here.

I just got Ozone's Izotope so I put it's bit meter across the output bus (of the 16-Bit project) & was reading 22 bits @ full scale levels...so even without applying dither in a 24-Bit BTD the resultant .wav should sound identical to the project. Something screwy goin' on, here...thanks for trying to help.

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RE: Pattor says: let your ears decide whether dither at 24 bits or not 2006/05/01 11:58:10 (permalink)
Hi mark.

You mean playback while in Sonar sounds different (better) than exported stereofile?

If so - oh god, yes, this is an everlasting pain in the butt. But as soon the discussion rises there are FLAMES THROWN saying "impossible", "no way", "they'll null" and so on.

If this is what you mean...

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RE: Pattor says: let your ears decide whether dither at 24 bits or not 2006/05/01 12:03:13 (permalink)
You mean playback while in Sonar sounds different (better) than exported stereofile?

Hell yeah !*!*!...that's what I've been saying all along.

I went back & read Ron K.'s white paper on 64-Bit architecture & think I understand the notion of floating point summation inaccuracies...but then...that wouldn't be relevant either if my tracks (as playing in mix) didn't reach the point of 24-Bit precision...would it?

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RE: Pattor says: let your ears decide whether dither at 24 bits or not 2006/05/01 12:28:55 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: pattor

Hi mark.

You mean playback while in Sonar sounds different (better) than exported stereofile?

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I had this problem until i bought R8Brain Pro samplerate converter.Sonars sample rate conversion is good but not great, and my mixes would loose a little of their sparkle,punch, and a tiny lose of high frequencies.

P.S. Thats if he's samplerate converting at export.
post edited by attalus - 2006/05/01 12:40:21
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