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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 16:10:34
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Last time he did it- he apologized eventually- but it seems he forgot about it and now he's doing it again. The newspapers are saying Beck has a had a sales rush- maybe because of award, maybe because of attention gained from Kayne.
Those shows are so goofy I enjoy something that goes awry.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 16:14:48
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lol... shows what I know. I didn't even know hter was a book.
I just liked Kiss Alive II and used to listen to it nightly when I was kid (like 12 yo) as I wandered off to dreamland.
Ace was my true hero of the band back then too. I was also massively into to Twisted Sister and Eddie "Fingers" Ojeda was the cat that inspired me to harass my parents into buying me an electric guitar (much to their chagrin).
So yeah, after everything I've done over the years musically (punk, thrash, harcore, folk, prog, alterna weirdness, etc) it's pretty darn funny looking back to think it was friggen' Eddie Ojeda that lit the fuse.
I wanna ROCK!
*dun dada dundun dun dada dundun and so on and so forth*
Me I guess I regressed :) Randy Rhoads made me want to play electric guitar and from there I went mostly to simplistic players like Ace Frehley. I'd never really heard anything outside my parents' record collection (mostly Elvis Presley as far as I recall) before I was 11, so I figured things out backwards, starting with Ozzy and Van Halen and moving back from there. By the time I got into KISS, Frehley was (unofficially) no longer playing with them and they were about to remove the make up. I guess I figured out early on that I'd be better squeezing and bending that one note like Ace than trying to play even just half as fast as Malmsteen, MacAlpine and all those guys.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 16:19:13
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I don't watch award shows either. I used to date a singer (won't name drop) who asked for my help to vote for grammys because she only listened to jazz. She had never heard any of the people nominated and pretty much voting based on "what critics said", who she had actually heard of and reccomendations from peers. When I discovered her process wewas more common than I thought it explained a lot about the results when i saw the awards that year fall pretty much in line with her votes I stopped watching. Considering Beck's album sold poorly for an artist of hist stature, this incident is a blessing to him. Suddenly people who have not purchased his music in over a decade are singing his praises for the exact same music they ignored all through 2014. The power of hate is strong.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 16:25:04
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Heh. I had kind of the opposite experience. As soon as I got that hunk of wood in my hands then I hopped on the Rhoads train... and Hammett, Friedman, Slash, Bettencourt, Satch, Vai, SRV, Frusciante, etc...
After becoming a hackwad wannabe speed demon is when I regressed and got into Cobain, Cantrell, Zombie, Corgan and the various other slower speed nasty slingers.
Obviously I was easily influnced by MTV (well... MuchMusic as you know) back in those days but I was a cranky teenager so yanno... that's how it goes. Those styles stick stick with me though.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 16:33:05
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dubdisciple
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K West is still a tool though.
Can not think of what use this tool could be put use for though, it is a tough one.
Apparently, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
As dumb as him and his wife come off, I have to wonder if they have just brilliantly found a way to take advantage of society loving to hate people. Kind of like a pair of attention whoring savantes who have monetized saying stupid things. Kanye just realeased absolutely hideous shoes and all this extra publicity is not hurting.
To be fair though, whether it be his awful music or his awful shoes, he's cornering the pleb market, and plebs will gravitate to that stuff with or without the extra publicity.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 16:35:45
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Heh. I had kind of the opposite experience. As soon as I got that hunk of wood in my hands then I hopped on the Rhoads train... and Hammett, Friedman, Slash, Bettencourt, Satch, Vai, SRV, Frusciante, etc...
After becoming a hackwad wannabe speed demon is when I regressed and got into Cobain, Cantrell, Zombie, Corgan and the various other slower speed nasty slingers.
Obviously I was easily influnced by MTV (well... MuchMusic as you know) back in those days but I was a cranky teenager so yanno... that's how it goes. Those styles stick stick with me though.
I totally get that. The funny thing is that, after a lifetime of panning that stuff, I decided that maybe I had more chances of improving my playing if I tried to learn from players whose style didn't come naturally to me. I'll never play like those guys, but every little that ads to my vocabulary and palette is good. Rhoads prevailed throughout my life though - even if I went in a different direction, I still hear his influence in my own playing every now and then. Emotionally, he's still my favorite.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 16:44:16
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To be honest, I'm not sure I ever really understood the Amy Whitehouse 'phenomenon'.
I've listened to a fair bit of her stuff and watched a few live performances on TV, and her 'slurring' vocal delivery always reminded me of a drunk woman performing a karaoke song, albeit in tune.
I don't quite get the 'tragic' artiste thing either, as far as I can see (although I'm happy to be corrected) she was just a junkie whose friends and family couldn't stop her using before the inevitable happened. That is 'tragic' for sure, but I'm not sure her tormented lifestyle provided any influence on her songwriting?
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/02/10 16:56:54
The lad knew what he was doing. That's for certain. Loved his tone. Loved his phrasing. It's that classical background combined with the heavy metal tone/sensibilites that really did it. Real shame he died so young.
I know I SHOULD like Wylde and he's a good guitar player but listening to any Ozzy stuff after Rhoads... well I just don't feel it. I mean I do in a way but it just isn't that pure, classic metal. Rhoads really defined that style I think.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 16:54:09
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It's hard to say for sure what Amy's problem was because despite all the articles, none of us knew her. It's possible her "tortured soul" influenced her songs, but who knows. Her songs did have a mostly dark vibe so it is certainly possible. It is equally possible that her label and marketing people sold the tragic junkie angle as a way to genrate buzz. Labels are notoriius for trying to walk the line between using artist dysfucntion advantageously and outright enabling. Old Dirty Bastard's studio sessions were drunken, sometimes incoherent rambling at times that RZA had to shape into an album in post. I hope Amy is at peace and other young artists see her tale as a wakeup call...but i doubt it.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 17:43:58
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I posted a thread in this forum about Beck's album when it came out. (I can't find the thread now) I don't remember anyone responding to it, but it is a really nice album. I love the production and the reverb on the vocals is fantastic. Beck has deserved this little meaningless trophy several times now...Kanye is a disgrace to humanity.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 17:53:01
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☄ Helpfulby sharke 2015/02/10 17:55:35
LOL, Stanley shared this image on his Facebook page earlier:  He may have a point....
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/02/10 18:02:33
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LOL, Stanley shared this image on his Facebook page earlier:
He may have a point...
Reminds me of all those delusional tone-deaf big heads who audition for shows like American Idol and X Factor. They barge into the audition room like stroppy two-year-olds and announce that they ARE the best singer the judges are about to hear and they WILL achieve international stardom. What follows is usually mediocre at best, excruciatingly painful at worst. Then when Simon Cowell pricks their bubbles they lose the plot and often have to be removed by security. Kayne West is a very mediocre talent who dines out on the mediocrity of public taste. A few new slots become available each year and they're generally filled by whomever gets there first.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:02:33
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The pronunciation always confuses me...
Is it Con-yay?
Is it Cane-eee?
Is it Can-I?
Is it Can-ya?
If it's the latter two... the answer is... no. No you can't.
/knows it's Con-yay
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:03:34
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to which I say...
Con-boooooo
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:07:55
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I think I have a mild form of dyslexia because I always read his name as "Kayne" instead of "Kanye." Therefore it's always been pronounced "Kane" in my head, and it's not likely to change anytime soon. Since I only ever read about this jerk online and don't watch TV, I don't hear how it's supposed to sound.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:11:59
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I don't care for Kanye as a personality or performer, but Kanye got where is for reasons that go way beyond insulting the general public. Kanye is a very gifted producer of hip-hop who toiled in the shadows cranking out commercial and non-commercial material considered among the best in the genre long before he found fame as a rapping douchebag. Of course those who hate hip-hop consider that insignificant, but it's no less true.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:14:30
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That's how I first read it years ago. Then I undyslexified it and thought it was "Can-eye". Then I heard it pronounced on TV somewhere as Con-yay. Just more silly AWing.
I'd pay good money to see Prince slap the shiz out of the guy.
...and just imagine what James Brown would do to this mofo if he were still alive. Yikes. May he Rest In Funk.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:20:32
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I love good hip hop. I can even tolerate some of the ridiculous boasting if it's good enough. When the boasting drowns out the music though... somethin' ain't right.
PE spoiled me I think.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:24:32
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This whole lack of respect thing reminded of something I read recently about Dave Grohl paying hommage to Dimebag Darrell...
" There was an Ozzfest in England in 1998, and Korn canceled. So we got the call. It was Slayer, Pantera and Black Sabbath. We had to go on after Pantera. I was so terrified: ‘There’s gonna be a riot. I’m gonna get drawn and quartered. No one’s going to like our band.’
But we played, and I looked to the side. The guys from Pantera are watching us and singing the lyrics to our songs. Afterwards we made friends with Pantera. I was nervous and scared; I didn’t think I fit in. But they were so open to us. That backstage hospitality we try to have – it all came from Pantera. Dimebag Darrell was the nicest f–king guy in the world. He could walk in and do a shot of Crown Royal with Justin Bieber, with Rick Nielsen, with James Brown – he was everybody’s best friend. And you could feel that energy when he was playing.
After that day, I was like, ‘From now on, everybody’s allowed in this room. I don’t care if it’s Britney Spears.’ I became the backstage best friend. Whenever I showed up at a festival, the first thing I’d do is grab a bottle of whiskey and go knocking on doors to see who the funniest people are. You’d be surprised who the real f–king nutcases are."
I found that genuinely talented people are often inclined to that type of behaviour.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:27:23
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K West is still a tool though.
Can not think of what use this tool could be put use for though, it is a tough one.
Maybe it could be wedged under a tire to keep a vehicle from rolling backwards? 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:40:40
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I don't care for hip hop, though I do like some things.
I am a long-time fan of the Beastie Boys, but to me, they're beyond any such simple denomination. Hip Hop is but one ingredient in what they do, at least compared to what I hear everywhere (which I guess is commercial hh). Likewise, back in the late 80's and early 90's, I was a huge fan of bands who borrowed from rap, like Faith No More or Anthrax.
On it's own though, it has no real appeal to me. When it comes down to using samples, sequencing, recycling loops, using electronic drums & instruments and mixing albums, I'm a lot more impressed with people/bands like Dave Ogilvie/Skinny Puppy or Bill Leeb/Front Line Assembly.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:47:29
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Grohl is a class act. I'm not the biggest Foo Fighter's fan but there is a dude you can TELL loves to just be there doing what he's doing. Very honest vibe about him and it's refreshing. I'm very glad he made a go of it after Nirvana. I wish Krist had too but I don't think he wanted it. Love his bass playing (and Grohl's drum work).
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2015/02/10 18:52:42
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Sh*t... by Krist I meant Noveselic obviously. lol
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2015/02/10 18:53:55
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Grohl is a class act. I'm not the biggest Foo Fighter's fan but there is a dude you can TELL loves to just be there doing what he's doing. Very honest vibe about him and it's refreshing. I'm very glad he made a go of it after Nirvana. I wish Krist had too but I don't think he wanted it. Love his bass playing (and Grohl's drum work).
Their first album was a staple of my DJ days - I could practically play all the songs of that record. I lost interest after that, for whatever reason, but I always respected the guy (even if it's sometimes a bit annoying to see some people treat him like a messiah, but then again, that's not his fault.) I saw him with Them Crooked Vultures a few years ago. Man, he rocked those drums non stop and looked like he was having the time of his life for the entire duration of the show.
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:58:12
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Rain
I don't care for hip hop, though I do like some things.
I am a long-time fan of the Beastie Boys, but to me, they're beyond any such simple denomination. Hip Hop is but one ingredient in what they do, at least compared to what I hear everywhere (which I guess is commercial hh). Likewise, back in the late 80's and early 90's, I was a huge fan of bands who borrowed from rap, like Faith No More or Anthrax.
On it's own though, it has no real appeal to me. When it comes down to using samples, sequencing, recycling loops, using electronic drums & instruments and mixing albums, I'm a lot more impressed with people/bands like Dave Ogilvie/Skinny Puppy or Bill Leeb/Front Line Assembly.
Which brings us to the essence of what the hate for kanye really boils down to. the most venomous assaults on kanye always boil down to people who don't like hip-hop. Even within Hip-hop kanye, as a person is not well liked, but most ignore him. Whenever kanye's success is brought into the equation, the typical downplay move seems to be to dismiss the genre. i always found it very interesting that PE is often bought up as a better representative of hip-hop when a closer examination shows that may be a paradox. Members of PE have said and done far worse than Kanye. It's not the sampling, since a PE song would cost millions in sample clearence today. It's not his outspoken views. PE was a nice recruitment tool for the nation of Islam and went from campus to campus bringing farakhan to the masses. I think once critics decide to love or hate a group/artist they develop blinders
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Re: Paul Stanley: “Beck should’ve kicked Kanye right in the nuts"
2015/02/10 18:58:44
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Although I wasn't a huge fan I did a pile of Foo covers in my old band (guit/vocals... so yeah, I was doin' Grohl). I like the heavier stuff and Low is actually one of my favorite songs (like something I listen to regularly). I just found their stuff hit or miss and yeah, easy to lose interest.
His drumming is phenomenal though. I'm sure you've hear Probot and the album he did with Queens of the Stone Age (which I did some covers from as well). Great stuff.
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2015/02/10 19:05:19
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Beepster
His drumming is phenomenal though. I'm sure you've hear Probot and the album he did with Queens of the Stone Age (which I did some covers from as well). Great stuff.
Songs for the Deaf is a quality album Beep. Love this song in particular, and the video is wonderful...
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PE is definitely an outlier and I probably shouldn't have used them as an example but as punkoid I love that stuff.
And yes indeedy there was some ridiculous stuff said over the years by their members but I think Chuck is still a rock. Flav really went silly but I guess he was always silly.
The stuff I appreciate these days are the laid back, smooth talking rap bands with some nice funk/jazz/motown grooves and thoughtful lyrical content. I find when those guys get really acidic with the political/sociological sentiments it just has a lot more of an impact/emotional effect on me.
The sad part is I could not for the life of me name a single group that does that style. I just hear it in my general intertube travels (and back when I had a life pumping out of shops and clubs in my old hood) and I just love it. I'd totally play some jazzy guit or walking bass for an act like that.
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2015/02/10 19:09:35
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We did that one, Strummy. It's a tricky bugger lemme tell ya but EVER so gratifying when you nail that psycho part at the end of the solo where everything is going nuts then slams down into that quiet little pinpoint bass riff.
I even did the little "PWANG" part before the next verse by raking my pick across the strings above the nut. Man, I miss that band.
And PE is Public Enemy.
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