Thanks Bapu. Sure beats trying to find a post on the main FRED. 
 
If we could all hug and get to normal I'm all for it. Or was there really ever normal?

I'm glad I wasn't involved. That would have really ground my beans.

So wait.. you can like some products but not others but that is not OK??
 
Is this the IK forum??? ewe get banded?
 
Sure maybe he was a little heavy handed in his comments, but they allow sock puppets and shills from other products to post..
 
How many of the " I am leaving this pile of crap product" have you read or will continue to read? The Pro tools is sew much better, blash blah
 
Bub allowed himself to be pulled in by the baiters, who in MY OPINION should also have been terminated ...
 
 

Beagle
NOW you've done!  You invoked the PT spirits!!!!

eye am a Scheiße stirrer

bapu
PT109?

I guess I kould mention a certain tanked number tree, no???

Beagle
DON'T FEAR THE....

Studio Juan?
 
That doan mak cents

Beagle

bapu

Beagle
DON'T FEAR THE....

Studio Juan?
 
That doan mak cents

Aha!!!!
 
Don't fear the Facepalm.
 
Now I gets it.

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musicman100
So wait.. you can like some products but not others but that is not OK??
 
Is this the IK forum??? ewe get banded?
 
Sure maybe he was a little heavy handed in his comments, but they allow sock puppets and shills from other products to post..
 
How many of the " I am leaving this pile of crap product" have you read or will continue to read? The Pro tools is sew much better, blash blah
 
Bub allowed himself to be pulled in by the baiters, who in MY OPINION should also have been terminated ...
 
 

Musicman I was concerned that I would be misunderstood on this. I don't think there is anything wrong with comparing product A to product B. And even if someone prefers product A and is telling someone about that on a forum supported by product B, this happens all the time and is a way to learn about products in the area we work in. This is usually subjective and not across the board for everyone or else we wouldn't have product B at all. I have several DAW programs. One of them is supposed to be pretty good. When I first tried it out I didn't like it but they have improved it and I have to say now it's a darned good software program. At least two or three others here use the same program and it is more of a staple in their studio than Sonar. I still always reach for X3 whenever I'm doing most of my work, even though I recently upgraded to their flagship program. For me , I have a feel for X3 that allows me to work better than any other way. Some of that is probably because I started out on Cakewalk software and i know the short cuts and keystrokes. To each his own.
 
I think a line is crossed sometimes though when person expresses their opinion but won't let it go. In my mind this becomes more about discrediting and bashing than stating an opinion.PT and Logic snobs have come over here and tried to pick a fight, probably paid shills trying to network their products. 
 
In Bubs case I seen someone who was very unhappy with the product. He wasn't alone in that feeling. I think he really felt like he had bought into a mistake and his frustration would boil over at times. Many others have been frustrated with certain things about Sonar , especially when it was upgraded from 8.5 to X1. There were some issues. There will always be some issues no matter what. Different people deal with things in different ways. If my frustration level got to the point that I wanted to wring someones neck over an issue I would simply go to a product that I thought I could use. Life is too short to have a hernia over it. I think software companies like Cakewalk will always have issues as will Cubase and Logic and on it goes. If the  ideal is perfect, then the ideal is unattainable for everyone  at all  times. Still someone will  pay good money for a program and then try it and something won't work quite right and they will go ballistic. I don't think this will ever change.
 
One thing that has changed is that many customers who were discontent have had their issues worked out just fine and went on to make music. You don't read about it because not many of them return to thank Cakewalk publicly on the forum. It's usually only the discontent people we read about.
 
Bub dropped me a line yesterday and he wanted to clarify some things about what I had said. He had been a Cakewalk customer for at least 15 years prior to X1 coming out. He has tried the X3 demo and he really likes it. Many of the issues that were happening for him went away with X3. He is a little bitter about being banned. I don't blame him really. No one in his shoes would have felt much different. I know the mods do what they feel they need to do. I'm in the middle here and I don't really blame anyone. I had thought the ban was about a particularly negative  conversation regarding X1 and what it wasn't doing for him. Now I'm starting to remember....he mentioned something about bicycles and I think I remember that thread now. I think things had simmered and been dealt with by the time I could look at the outcome of that thread. Usually there is more than one involved and sometimes I think maybe a decision is based on other factors but I'm not venturing a guess on that one. It never ends well.
 
This is getting to be a long post so I'll try to keep the rest short and to the point. Bub is a great guy. We miss him. I think most of us will agree that he added a lot to the forum. Like myself he has said and done some things that he probably wished he hadn't.He is simply human like the rest of us. I think we all deserve at least a second chance. Petition or no petition I see this as a simple thing....Seth if you get the time after all of that alli baba crap will you allow him to come back? How can he contact you if the answer is yes???
 
 
 
 

Starise

musicman100
So wait.. you can like some products but not others but that i pile of crap product" have you read or will continue to read? The Pro tools is sew much better, blash blah
 
Bub allowed himself to be pulled in by the baiters, who in MY OPINION should also have been terminated ...
 

Musicman I was concerned that I would be misunderstood on this. I don't think there is anything wrong with comparing product A to product B. And even if someone prefers product A and is telling someone about that on a forum supported by product B, this happens all the time and is a way to learn about products in the area we work in.
 

Thank you for the clarification and your position.
 
I apologize if it appeared my rant was directed at you . You strike me as a pretty good fella and we've never tangled before and I don't was this to be construed as a slugfest.
 
I agree with all your points, and am glad Bub reached out to you .
 
I guess what chaps my arse is the other offenders in that melee are off scott free.
 
Lets go make some music while we wait for a decision.

 
In all fairness, all Bub ever wanted was for SONAR to work (somewhere near) as advertised.
 
His growing frustration with his Cakewalk product of choice, and of the perceived lack of acknowledgement from Cakewalk with regards to the problems he was having, is what led him to make comparisons with other company's products and their (apparently superior) attitude toward customer service.
 
I may be wrong, but I don't recall him ever starting any trouble, and when he did retaliate to provocation, he didn't say anything particularly untoward, other than setting the record straight and pointing out the facts as he saw them.
 
I've done and said a lot worse than Bub ever did in these forums, as have a lot of people, but in my opinion Cake (quite wrongly) decided there was a need to make an example of Bub.
 
For what it's worth, I think all viewpoints on Cakewalk products, and on their competitors, is valid as a topic in the Cakewalk forums. What would you prefer - reading post after post of sycophantic trite from the likes of John and Daveny5, or being involved in a rational discussion about the cons, as well as the pros of the software we are obviously all fond of?
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again - any product will only evolve and become better when the folk who make it listen to and take notice of their critics, not their fanboys.
 
 
 

Don't Fear The .......
Reaper....

No problems guys, it's all good. Type isn't always the best way to convey. Sometimes things get lost in the translation.

I'LL TRY IT AGAIN....
 
why was he banned?