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2014/01/14 12:18:40 (permalink)

Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread

I run W7 and would like to make sure that my settings are optimal.  Currently, I've done nothing but disable my wireless adapter.
My performance may have been a little better prior to X3 and I'd like to check up on things.
 
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 12:35:44 (permalink)
    You may not get as many replies or leads as you would have in the past because Windows 7 is pretty good out of the box.  I rarely tweak anything anymore, and I used to be a faithful follower of Black Viper and other similar optimizations.  They were necessary to squeeze performance from Windows XP, but not now.
     
    About disabling the wireless adapter, wireless networking is a known problem with some systems, which you can confirm with the DPC Latency Checker (except for those who are running Windows 8, which isn't yet supported). 
     
    The only tweak I do now is to alter the custom power scheme so everything is Always On.
     
    One more thing, a blast from the past: there has been discussion about changing the Priority to Background Services, but this is not recommended by Cakewalk's Noel Borthwick.
     

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 12:47:40 (permalink)
    I agree with post #2. Win 7 is pretty good (for me) as it came installed on my i5-based laptop. Mine is Win 7 Home Premium x64.
     
    I will add that I do try to shut down basically everything that isn't needed, either through the task manager or the running-apps app in the task tray. My graphics card has an app I shut down, I also shut down my malware app (since I too turn off wireless and am not connected to the internet). Also I close my printer's TSR app. All that jazz.
     
    My laptop is a Sony Vaio and has some INCESSANT nagware known as Vaio Messenger/VaioCare installed - and I had to shut down and disable that (it tries to phone home, continually). Same with Windows update - set all that crap to be checked manually so it doesn't try to phone home while you're working on something important in SONAR. Because even if you disable WiFi, it doesn't stop these apps from trying to get out to an update server anyway.
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 12:56:03 (permalink)
    Windows 8 and 8.1 are even better from a performance standpoint.
     
    I no longer do any tweaking for any of my DAW software.  I don't even mess around with changing pagefile specifications or disabling internet or antivirus.
     
    But I now have a 6-core processor with 64 GB RAM, so I have lots of resources available all the time.  The only thing I still do is keep separate disk partitions, but not for performance reasons.  Mostly just for organizational purposes and to keep my backups from taking three days to complete.  :)
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 13:08:53 (permalink)
    I'm pretty much with every thing riojazz said.
     
    I wouldn't bother with changing the Priority to Background Services either.
     
    I'm sure many will come on here suggesting all sorts of misguided tweaks.  Just follow RioJazz's suggestions, and run LatencyMon and see what it says.

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 13:31:09 (permalink)

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 14:02:14 (permalink)
    Win 7/8 are pretty good, that's for sure, but I still do a little tweaking to the services. For example, if you have Adobe Reader installed, you don't need the Adobe Update service running all of the time. Same with Apple/Google/etc update services, but then again this probably isn't an issue if your DAW isn't connected to a network.
     
    And I always disable Windows Search, and Tablet Services (my DAW is a desktop).
     
    Like in the link above, I also adjust my power settings and check to make sure the USB power settings aren't allowed to be turned off.

      
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 14:48:07 (permalink)
    IMO the tweaks and optimisations are mostly a thing of the past.

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 14:55:19 (permalink)
    Good article linked by Zapotek.  However, as I mentioned, that last bit about the background services does not apply to SONAR.
     
    Now that Ruben and SubSonic mentioned it, I also delete or disable some services that run needlessly on startup, like Adobe and Apple, if they "phone home".  I don't want anything non-Microsoft running on its own that I didn't ask for.  I don't consider these to be "system tweaks", however, because they involve application software, not system software.  I consider stopping Adobe etc. to be necessary defensive steps when dealing with certain software companies.
     
     

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 15:04:10 (permalink)
    +1 to the posts about not tweaking. Depending on what you do with your machine (and programs loaded), about the only thing I would recommend is running "msconfig" and checking what is in the "Services" (Hide all Microsoft services) and "Startup" tabs. For me, hardware services I leave running (unless utility only), and software services are up to your discretion.
     
    Win7 is very stable without tweaking otherwise... the custom power setting of "always on" is a good recommendation as well.
     
     

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 15:12:28 (permalink)
    Good article by zapotec indeed.
     
    #5 in that list (Deactivate Devices in the Windows Device Manager) is what I was harping on, and as riojazz says, is more tweaking than genuine "optimizing".
     
    I turn off a lot of stuff - my touchpad (I have a mouse plugged-in), iTunes, onboard soundcard, WiFi, Bluetooth, anything Adobe, it's a pretty big list. My Win install has 100+ processes shown at startup and I am well below 100 by the time I am ready to start SONAR. And I do have my comp set to basically run at full power all the time - power management "features" can be a PITA if they start powering stuff down when you least expect it.
     
    Does this all help? I don't know, I certainly haven't benchmarked it at all, but my copy of SONAR runs good on my system with very few pops here and there when live playing/recording (that never translate to a mix-down anyway) by doing this. It may be as smooth without doing all of that - but I am old school and tend to turn off everything I can when I need to make sure that the computer needs to run as smooth as possible. But with 4 cores @ 2.7+ Ghz, with 8GB of RAM and almost 400GB of free on a  500GB drive (SONAR and Windows are only 2 major installs on my laptop) - X3d runs pretty good anyway. I do get some hesitations in screen redraws and the start of playback in larger projects, sometimes, if I forget to kill all those background apps and TSRs first, but it would still be usable honestly.
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 17:42:25 (permalink)
    SUBSONIC:  What method do you use for turning off services?  Do you manually go into msconfig each time you run Sonar?  I'm hoping there's an automated process that can be set up once, then run easily before a Sonar sessino.

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 17:49:04 (permalink)

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:07:37 (permalink)
    James: tell me the make and model of your motherboard ... same for the video and what memory are you running .
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:16:55 (permalink)
    James, please don't do any of the tweaks that people throw at you, particularly if they involve which "Mobo" you have, or if they refer to "Bios"  etc.
     
    Run LatencyMon and report back.
     
    No need to fix if it ain't broke.
     
    This will only cause you more problems.

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:21:19 (permalink)
    jb101 : that's a total joke !
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:32:23 (permalink)
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    jb101 : that's a total joke !




    Projection, I feel.  Nice to see you back, Startech.  Still asking the same question in every thread.
     
    @james - look for posts from people on this forum that use Sonar for a living - use it in studios every day, and see which tweaks they use, other than the basic ones.

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:37:36 (permalink)
    Experiment, it's what got us out of caves and into warm houses. As far as I know and contrary to belief, there is no PC tweak that will leave you as just a pair of smoking boots!.... Can the same be said for your PC? ;-) .... Also it really depends on your definition of 'tweak'.

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:44:41 (permalink)
    jb101 : ground up builds:   you might wana read this ...   http://forum.cakewalk.com/SOLVED-Saffire-Pro-40-and-ASUS-Z87-Pro-m2967913.aspx
     
    my responce:  MoJo: see this driver is installd !   http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z87PRO/#support
     
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:49:00 (permalink)
    Yes, I'm sorry for my outburst.
     
    I just think that you should try running your system as it is, and, if it works well, then don't bother with all the "tweaks" or "optimisations" that people suggest.
     
    Power management, disable wireless card, etc. may be enough.
     
    If not, then look at the alternatives.

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:50:13 (permalink)
    wizard71
    Experiment, it's what got us out of caves and into warm houses. As far as I know and contrary to belief, there is no PC tweak that will leave you as just a pair of smoking boots!.... Can the same be said for your PC? ;-) .... Also it really depends on your definition of 'tweak'.



    No. But more than one user who did not appreciate all of the implications of the settings he is messing with had come up with a computer that will not boot to Windows and ended up doing a full re-installation. A restore point will sometimes save your posterior, but restore points do not save everything. If you are not sure what a "tweak" is all about, it would be wise to make a system image on media that can be booted without recourse to a working Windows system and restore the system to the way it was before you "fixed" it.
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:52:54 (permalink)
    I do not agree with Sweetwater.
    "1. This helps alleviate poor hard drive performance.  In Device Manager open the Disk Drives menu.
    2. For all of your hard drives, right click on the drive name and select Properties
    3. Go to the Policies tab and check the boxes to “Enable write caching” and “Turn off Windows write-cache buffer flushing”"
     
    Well, if you ever lose power and you do not have an un-interruptible power supply, data will be scrambled on the hard disk if working on something using the hard disk and the power goes off. (not a controlled shut-down of the computer).
     
    " Go to the Startup Tab and choose ‘disable all’ in the bottom right corner.
    ** NOTE: after doing this Pro Tools users must check the box for “Digidesign MME Binder”**

    3. Next, navigate to the Services tab.  Check the box at the bottom to “hide all Microsoft Services”
    4. Choose “Disable All” on the bottom right corner.  **NOTE: Pro Tools users must check the boxes for “Digidesign MME Refresh Service”, “digiSPTIService” and “PACE License Services”"
     
    Well, you do not have to disable all services or processes in Control Panel -> Adminstrative Tools -> System Configuration. There you can decide what to start up even using a  Selective Startup on the General Tab after
    unchecking what you do not want to start up on boot-up of the computer. You also have Safe Boot on the Boot Tab but that usually is not needed. Services and Startup is where you uncheck what you do not want to start up when the computer starts. Not all of that has to be unchecked and you would not probably want to.
     
    "We recommend AVG or Microsoft Security Center."
     
    I do not recommend AVG and use Avira which can be turned-off with the real-time protection if wanting to disable it while playing a game or recording music - in which case on my computer it does not interfere at all. AVG can not be turned off and disabled with the later versions.
     
    Be smart and only do what needs to be done, a little more memory not starting up start-up programs when the computer boots are usually only programs that may look for an update, and that also can be set when the program updates and set just to notify you so you can do the update when you want to, and like Windows Update, turn it off and do it manually when you want to - because the second Tuesday of the month is when Microsoft usually has updates for the OS and whatever else it puts on your computer.
     
    Other start-up programs only seem to make the computer faster like Office startup or the herd that followed Microsoft doing that in the first place and well those do not have to be started up when the computer starts, and only take a few seconds more to start the program at any time if you even use the program that much on the computer in the first and last place.
     
    Well, there may be some other stuff but mainly that is it, and use common sense or set up safe boot on the Boot Tab and use Minimal Boot if you want to try any of that, but Selective Startup should show up on the General Tab of the System Configuration in the Adminstrative Tools in Control Panel. The rest is looking through your computer and knowing what all those Control Panel Icons are for and how to change your computer to the way that you want to use it.
     

     
     
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 19:52:57 (permalink)
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    jb101 : ground up builds:   you might wana read this ...   http://forum.cakewalk.com/SOLVED-Saffire-Pro-40-and-ASUS-Z87-Pro-m2967913.aspx
     
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    the boards latest bios is : Z87-PRO BIOS 1707
     
    Users responce:I just finished downloading and installing all of the updated drivers and I'M IN BUSINESS!!!! Everything is working and behaving as it should. I just want to give a shout out to my fellow "Sonarians" and say THANK YOU for your time, help and insight. I knew I was coming to the right place even though it truly wasn't a Sonar issue.
     
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    My point exactly.  What do you know of the OP's build, before you suggested these things?
     
    Anyhow, let's not derail the OP's thread.
     
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 20:13:43 (permalink)
    So...
     
    +1 for thread #6 - that's a good article by Native Instruments, not sure about the other article to be honest.
     
    Anyway in addition this is what I suggest...
     
    Make sure windows update is up to date, even the optional stuff (within reason, you don't want bing toolbar).
     
    Make sure your drivers are up to date, and check for firmware updates.
     
    Check your scheduled tasks and disable or reduce the ones you don't need:
    http://windows.microsoft....ule-task#1TC=windows-7
     
    Defrag once a month.
     
    When running antivirus (recommended) exclude these folders as per Microsoft recommendations:
    C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\res*.log
    C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\res*.jrs
    C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\edb.chk
    C:\windows\SoftwareDistribution\Datastore\Logs\Tmp.edb
    c:\windows\Security\Database\*.edb
    c:\windows\Security\Database\*.sdb
    c:\windows\Security\Database\*.log
    c:\windows\Security\Database\*.chk
    c:\windows\Security\Database\*.jrs
    C:\ProgramData\NTUser.pol
    C:\Windows\System32\GroupPolicy\Registry.pol
    In addition I recommend excluding the Cakewalk Content and Project folders.

    Also disable Intel Speedstep or AMD equivalant such as PowerNow and disable CPU throttling in Windows.
     
    Do not change the Priority to Background Services...
     
    StarTekh:
    >Want me to keep going ?
     
    Sure check out post #16 of that thread you quoted/commented upon later (#24 I believe ), so we can both use google!
    We need more info anyway...
    Anyway I jest, good luck to the OP.
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 20:14:52 (permalink)
    For ppl running windows 8, LatencyMon by http://www.resplendence.com/ does support Windows 8 and I find to be more helpful than Latency Checker.

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/14 20:27:45 (permalink)
    Poster didn't say what computer specs he has... Win 7 & 8 are pretty good  - I agree, no need to tweak, BUT u want performance?  reinstall 64 bit on SSD with plenty of RAM!

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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/15 13:50:51 (permalink)
    After fighting various firewire things on Win7 & and my pair of Saffire Pro40s and having to make various tweaks, since I've wiped and reinstalled with Win8.1 and Sonar X3d, these are the only things I've needed to do to "optimize" my audio PC. Most of my hardware based troubleshooting on this box was done during my time with Win7. This included various issues with the USB3 drivers, nic drivers, Firewire card (and drivers), wireless mouse (I went back to a wired one), Geforce graphics drivers, USB cables (I had a short in one that was causing some really nasty issues including occasional BSODs). My move to Win8.1 involved no hardware changes, other than adding a pair of Dell touchscreen monitors.
     
    Win8.1 changes
    Set Power Management to High Performance
    Disable core parking (I have an AMD 8-core cpu and had a noticeable improvement in my ability to run my interfaces at lower latency without pops after I did this)
    Disable power management on all USB devices
    disabled a couple unused services (like print spooler and wireless networking, since I need neither)
    Only installed the core driver set for my dual Geforce cards - I purposely left off the Physx and 3d junk off (back when I had Win7, it would cause fits inside LatencyMon until I removed them)
     
    I'll note that this is an audio PC and only gets on the internet for downloading updates. I have inbound/outbound internet traffic disabled for this machine at the firewall on my home network, so I can still have it on my home network (so I can remote control Sonar with my tablet). I have no Office, Flash, Acrobat, Java, Itunes, or any other junk that is not required for running my Audio applications. I also am running with no Antivirus. I make manual scans using a couple standalone tools every few weeks.
     
    LatencyMon runs like a dream on it.
     
     
    These things work for me and may not apply to others. I'll also note that I've been doing enterprise IT work for more than 15 years, so a lot of this is coming from professional experience - not random things read on forums.

    Sonar Platinum (lifetime sub) :: Windows 8.1 Pro :: AMD FX-8350 CPU, 16GB ram :: 120GB SSD (boot), 1TB 7200rpm HDD (data/projects) :: (dual) Focusrite Saffire Pro40 (TI chipset on FW card) :: lots of plugins :: lots of various midi controllers and hardware synths :: Pearl Drums/Paiste Cymbals/Roland & Alesis Electronic pads.

     
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/16 09:52:04 (permalink)
    Thanks to all- my apologies for not posting mobo, etc.  I typically don't know those things off the top of my head, but I will check and post them (I'm not at the studio currently).   I had it custom built- i7, 16gbRam, Windows 7 (Developer's Edition).  I've had it over a year and it's been great.  I use it with Profire 2626 and Octane via adat.  Lately I've had some crashes (since latest X3d) and performance seemed better with X3b.  It's nothing major, but I haven't kept up with optimizations (it seems they aren't as necessary today).   I do, of course, use msconfig/startup to make sure the nonsense isn't running.  
     
     
     
     

    James W
    BlixYZ Recording Studio
    BlixYZ Records

    Audient ASP800 thru Focusrite Saffire Pro 40
    Mackie Control Universal + C4
    Yamaha HS50's plus Matching Sub, Tannoy 501a
    Blue Baby Bottle, AT 4050, Neumann TLM 103, etc.
    UA 610, Focusrite/ART/Neve 2CH.
    Windows 10
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/16 10:22:49 (permalink)
    Motherboard is made by Gigabyte, just not sure of model.
     

    James W
    BlixYZ Recording Studio
    BlixYZ Records

    Audient ASP800 thru Focusrite Saffire Pro 40
    Mackie Control Universal + C4
    Yamaha HS50's plus Matching Sub, Tannoy 501a
    Blue Baby Bottle, AT 4050, Neumann TLM 103, etc.
    UA 610, Focusrite/ART/Neve 2CH.
    Windows 10
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    Re: Please point me to a good computer OPTIMIZATION thread 2014/01/16 11:11:12 (permalink)
    +1 For the Sweetwater Optimization Guide.
     
    I built a new computer (win 7 64)  to install X2 Producer about a year ago.  
     
    I had a lot of click and pop issues , shut downs , resets etc.  Tried numerous different  trouble shooting fixes, to no avail.
     
    After i went through the steps of this guide, everything concerning those issues were gone, i was a bit surprised that after all kinds of trouble shootings that this cleared it all up.
     
    IMHO, if you are not in the middle of an important project, it can't hurt to give this a shot.
     
    http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/pc-optimization-guide-for-windows-7/
     
     
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