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2018/03/24 05:23:42 (permalink)

Plugin Manager in Reaper?

I have just installed Reaper and added various VST filepaths and run the scan. I believe that they may be some softsynths in those paths that Reaper has not picked up. How can I verify this? Is there a plugin manager in Reaper or at least somewhere that I can view a list of installed plugins?

I created an account on the Reaper forums, but I'm not allowed to post there yet.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 08:20:12 (permalink)
You could check if they are displayed at Insert > Virtual Instrument on New Track window.
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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 08:49:42 (permalink)
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You could check if they are displayed at Insert > Virtual Instrument on New Track window.

 
OK that helps, but it just shows that certain plugins are missing if I am looking for them in particular. I've noticed that DimensionPro, Philharmonic and B4II don't seem to be there. There are probably other items missing that I haven't noticed yet. I was hoping to see a complete list, including the failed ones. There were no error messages during the scan.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 08:53:46 (permalink)
It looks like Reaper doesn't have a scan log, so perhaps they are not compatible?

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 09:34:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby discoDSP 2018/03/24 09:37:00
Another way to see ALL your VSTs is to go to View/Assets/FX Browser (or View/FX Browser).
 
If anything is missing, just open preferences, and go to Plug-ins, then choose VST.  You will see a listing showing the path(s) to all your VSTs.  You can then add a path to any VSTs that are missing and then hit Re-scan.
 
Obviously it's preferred to have all your VSTs in one convenient location, but certain products insist on installing to proprietary locations.
 
One other thing - Reaper can read both 32bit and 64bit VST, so (presuming you are using a 64 bit version of Reaper) don't bother installing any 32bit VST if given both 32bit and 64bit options when installing a VST.   If you ONLY have a 32bit VST for a certain program, then Reaper can use it without any additional bridge type programs.  However, I suggest you create separate directories for 32bit and 64bit VST files so that if you have other DAWs, you can use those VSTs in their 32bit and 64bit directories without problems.
 
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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 09:37:52 (permalink)
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It looks like Reaper doesn't have a scan log...

 
Shame. I expected it to be a standard DAW feature.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 16:02:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jonboper 2018/03/24 18:53:44
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It looks like Reaper doesn't have a scan log...

Shame. I expected it to be a standard DAW feature.

Reaper developers do not do things just because they are "standard", especially if the standard is not logical, has general design inconsistency or can be confusing.
In respect to this problem: VST is just a DLL file and there is no "hints" that DLL is VST. To detect VST, Reaper (or other daw) tries to "load" it and check that it responds "as a VST". The result (and so the information for potential  log) is:
* the DLL is a VST. Then Reaper will show it to you as FX/Synth.
* the DLL could be loaded, but it does not respond as a VST. That it is not a VST... But itself, that is not an error, VST folders can have other DLLs (f.e. DLLs used by some VST)
* the DLL could not be loaded. If that is really VST, that is the only case when you may want to know the reason. But there can be non VST, as in previous case, which can not be loaded and that is ok. Also the report will be "failed to find xkrjehjrk.dll" (some external dependence), which can be more confusing then helpful for an average musician (and an average programmer will use some external tool like Dependency Walker to get more details).
 
Sorry, back to the topic.
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* Write down "VST Scan Paths" in Sonar preferences and check you have all these paths in Reaper. Note that even "standard" Sonar has several locations for VSTs. I am almost sure you will see all you see in Sonar after that.
If what is not detected are some Waves plug-ins (rare but I have seen such reports), there is a method to fix that. Waves use so called "shell" method (expose one "plug-in", which then gives access to other), the subject of endless discussions in all DAWs.
 
* DimensionPro (at least VST incarnations) and  Philharmonic (the first, so 32bit, and the second) can work in Reaper.
a) check in Sonar which DimPro you have. There was very old DX and more modern VSTs. Reaper support DX, but since you have SPLAT, you also have DimPro as VST 64bit. And that you want to use in Reaper to avoid troubles.
 
b) if you have old Philharmonic, 32bit, it should work out of the box. In fact better then in Splat. I remember I have tweaked something during initial installation, to make it run with Sonar at all. It can be without that it is unable to work in Reaper as well. If required, I can try to find details.
 
c) if you use modern IK products (Philharmonic 2, ST3, Syntronik), VST3 incarnations had problems with Reaper some time ago. So check that you have the latest Reaper version or use VST2 versions of these plug-ins.
 
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Finally, in case you have not noticed the sticky in Reaper forum... You can install my extension to open Sonar projects in Reaper. That can be seen as a test you have all plug-ins used in particular projects
(but first copy that projects somewhere, including audio, and open the copy. I do not want you hunting me later, when you modify the project in Reaper and then Sonar no longer find deleted WAVs...).
 

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 21:54:05 (permalink)
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...in case you have not noticed the sticky in Reaper forum... You can install my extension to open Sonar projects in Reaper. That can be seen as a test you have all plug-ins used in particular projects...

 
Yes I'm aware of it. That's the reason I decided to try Reaper.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 22:03:07 (permalink)
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a) check in Sonar which DimPro you have. There was very old DX and more modern VSTs. Reaper support DX, but since you have SPLAT, you also have DimPro as VST 64bit. And that you want to use in Reaper to avoid troubles...

 
Dimension Pro v1.5 32-bit (VSTi) is the one that I have installed on my current DAW PC. Maybe the 64-bit version would work in Reaper, but it's the 32-bit version that is used in the Sonar projects that I want to convert.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 22:13:58 (permalink)
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b) if you have old Philharmonic, 32bit, it should work out of the box. In fact better then in Splat. I remember I have tweaked something during initial installation, to make it run with Sonar at all. It can be without that it is unable to work in Reaper as well. If required, I can try to find details...

 
Philharmonik does not work in Sonar unless I set Sonar to run as administrator. It also fails in DP and Mixbus, so I wasn't surprised to find it missing in Reaper. Stranglely enough, it works fine in Sonar on my old computer without running as administrator.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 22:19:49 (permalink)
Yes, Reaper does have a scan log. I created a shortcut on my desktop to it.
 
On Windows, the file is located at, and called:
 
C:\Users\Primary\AppData\Roaming\REAPER\reaper-vstplugins64.ini
 
[Replace "Primary" with your username]
 
I set Windoze to default to opening Notepad for .INI files. Here's a small section:
 
SPAN.vst3=00EC7AEBB08CD201,555746558,SPAN (Voxengo)
SPL_Attacker.vst3=B63B055F1358D301,1872302934,SPL Attacker (Plugin Alliance)
SPL_Free_Ranger.vst3=00269A8E374AD301,2074663543,SPL Free Ranger (Plugin Alliance)
Tape_Multi_Track.vst3=00B127C6C35ED301
Tape.vst3=0084F6C4C35ED301,1563913648,Tape (Softube)
Tempo_Delay.vst3=00BA5C11E618D201,1791662028,Tempo Delay (Voxengo)
 
Notice that the "Tape_Multi_Track.vst3" line is incomplete, compared to the rest. That tells you that it didn't scan properly (makes sense, in this case; it's a Studio One MixEngineFX).

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 22:30:01 (permalink)
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Another way to see ALL your VSTs is to go to View/Assets/FX Browser (or View/FX Browser)...

 
Thanks. I overlooked that menu item at the time becauses it says "FX" and I was looking for softsynths at the time. But I see that it actually includes both fx and softsynths. "Plugin Browser" would have been a more appropriate label.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 23:15:12 (permalink)
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Yes, Reaper does have a scan log. I created a shortcut on my desktop to it.
On Windows, the file is located at, and called:
C:\Users\Primary\AppData\Roaming\REAPER\reaper-vstplugins64.ini
[Replace "Primary" with your username]...

 
Thanks. There's some useful stuff in that folder. I've now saved a shortcut to it too. However, the plugin log doesn't include the scan failures (e.g. DimPro).

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 23:29:23 (permalink)
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...Obviously it's preferred to have all your VSTs in one convenient location, but certain products insist on installing to proprietary locations...

 
Tell me about it. I've got 9 different VST filepaths (excluding the 2 Prochannel VST folders). I keep a list of them and a set of shortcuts.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/24 23:44:42 (permalink)
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...Reaper can read both 32bit and 64bit VST, so (presuming you are using a 64 bit version of Reaper) don't bother installing any 32bit VST if given both 32bit and 64bit options when installing a VST.   If you ONLY have a 32bit VST for a certain program, then Reaper can use it without any additional bridge type programs...

 
I won't be ditching many 32-bit VSTs yet. A lot of them are used in the old Sonar projects that I want import into Reaper (using Azslow3's convertor).

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/25 04:12:28 (permalink)
Kev,
 
The plugins you mention all work rock solid in Reaper although Philharmonic 32 bit is slow to load bridged to 64 bit Reaper.. You just have to include the path to the dll in the vst preferences and hit rescan. Should fire up without problem.
What I miss in Reaper that Sonar has, is a clear indication as to where the vst/vsti dll is located. This can be an easter egg hunt otherwise in Reaper if something gets lost outside the selected paths.
Like Maartian advised, the reaper-vstplugins.ini file is a life saver troubleshooting whether or not a vst is missed, or registered and blacklisted.
And of course, Azslow's comments as well.
Can guide you step by step to get the plugs working if needed.
 
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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/25 05:46:02 (permalink)
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The plugins you mention all work rock solid in Reaper although Philharmonic 32 bit is slow to load bridged to 64 bit Reaper.. You just have to include the path to the dll in the vst preferences and hit rescan. Should fire up without problem...

 
I've already added all the VST filepaths (including the one containing the philharmonik dll). By now I've run the scan several times. Philharmonik does not show up in Reaper. Neither does SampleTank and several IKM effects. These same plugins also don't work in Mixbus32C or Digital Performer and only work in Sonar if Sonar is run as admin.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/25 05:57:09 (permalink)
UPDATE: DimPro
I didn't have DimPro 64 installed before, but I've installed it today. Reaper has substituted it in place of the 32-bit version for all my imported projects. That's one problem solved.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/25 07:09:54 (permalink)
The folder mentioned is simpler to find by "Options/Show Reaper resource path...". That works independent from normal/portable install. These INI files are not "logs", they are configuration files
 
Philharmonik works for me in user mode (Reaper). Thy this: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2648830  , including Philharmonik.ini, with mentioned content. I have also made INI file writable by user (not sure how important that is, but the whole story with "Run as admin" is about rights).
I hope you manage that, if not I can try to install MP on another PC to see what else should be done.
 
VSTs are identified by IDs, 32bit and 64bit versions use the same ID (at least I have not hit exceptions yet). Otherwise projects created in 32bit DAW version could not be opened in 64bit DAW version without all plug-ins bridged.
 

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/25 08:16:40 (permalink)
I've got Philharmonic working now. Most VST's DLL files have their own individual subfolder within the vstplugins folder, but Philharmonic's DLL and INI files were in the top level alongside  several other DLL files belonging to various other VSTs. I moved them to a new subfolder of their own and Reaper has now detected them after a rescan. I'll try moving some of the other loose DLLs to their own subfolders too and see if that makes a difference.

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Re: Plugin Manager in Reaper? 2018/03/25 08:44:04 (permalink)
Suddenly now there are a few extra plugins in the list that were missing earlier, e.g. B4II and SampleTank. But not everything is there yet. For one plugin, 2c-Aether, the 32-bit version is listed but the 64 is not. Weird! It's hard to know what else is still missing without wading through the list one by one. Anyway I'm going to leave it there and move on.

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