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How old is the Delta 66? Like 10 years+?
Older. I bought it in 2001. And after dumping the tracks out of Sonar, I have continued to use the 13+ yo Delta66 with Reaper to move forward with my project :) I love the smell of 7.2ms RT latency in the morning!
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BobF
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One thing to try that helped me is to disable the high defiintion audio controller in your control panel device manager. Thanks to Anderton for this great tip.
Details here on this thread:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...this-Out-m3103263.aspx
I spotted that yesterday. Or was it the day before? Anyway, I've already disabled it. That is/was a great tip
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I have a FW-1884 (circa 2003), so I'm not bagging on the "vintage" gear. But at some point, I know a new interface is coming.
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hockeyjx
How old is the Delta 66? Like 10 years+?
Older. I bought it in 2001. And after dumping the tracks out of Sonar, I have continued to use the 13+ yo Delta66 with Reaper to move forward with my project :) I love the smell of 7.2ms RT latency in the morning!
Yes, I miss PCI interfaces. Always shave a few ms out of what you could get with USB or FireWire. Not sure you should give up on SONAR so easily, though...once you get it dialed in and are aware of some quirks, it's pretty solid. Kind of like an English sports car, if you know what I mean 
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BobF
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I have a FW-1884 (circa 2003), so I'm not bagging on the "vintage" gear. But at some point, I know a new interface is coming.
:) Yeah, I'm always looking and trying stuff out. I wish Windows would aggregate USBs. Everything related to guitar has a USB interface these days.
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BobF
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hockeyjx
How old is the Delta 66? Like 10 years+?
Older. I bought it in 2001. And after dumping the tracks out of Sonar, I have continued to use the 13+ yo Delta66 with Reaper to move forward with my project :) I love the smell of 7.2ms RT latency in the morning!
Yes, I miss PCI interfaces. Always shave a few ms out of what you could get with USB or FireWire. Not sure you should give up on SONAR so easily, though...once you get it dialed in and are aware of some quirks, it's pretty solid. Kind of like an English sports car, if you know what I mean
Yes, I do know what you mean, but that isn't limited to the English varieties. I'm not giving up yet, Craig. But I would appreciate some follow up on Fault Reporter. Once the 32 bit plugin theory was debunked, the Bakers disappeared. I'm glad somebody didn't say, "Delete aud.ini and reprofile your sound card."
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Anderton
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The 8.1 thing and lack of dedicated drivers could be the issue. SONAR ties in pretty deep with Windows (maybe too deep sometimes). There were a lot of changes between W7 and W8.1, which frankly, is one reason why I haven't upgraded to 8.1...things are working now with a system that's optimized for Windows 7. I want touch, but not badly enough to upset a productive system.
As to what fault reporter says, I'd recommend contacting Cakewalk tech support. I'd bet that very few users here are running SONAR on Windows 8.1 using a Delta 66 interface with Windows 7 drivers. In fact you might be the only one, in which case you won't get an answer from someone here who solved the problem. OTOH tech support might have run into this before and have some recommendation, like re-installing the drivers using some particular Windows compatibility mode. Or perhaps a mystical phrase you need to enter into a DOS command line interface.
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hockeyjx
How old is the Delta 66? Like 10 years+?
Older. I bought it in 2001. And after dumping the tracks out of Sonar, I have continued to use the 13+ yo Delta66 with Reaper to move forward with my project :) I love the smell of 7.2ms RT latency in the morning!
Yes, I miss PCI interfaces. Always shave a few ms out of what you could get with USB or FireWire. Not sure you should give up on SONAR so easily, though...once you get it dialed in and are aware of some quirks, it's pretty solid. Kind of like an English sports car, if you know what I mean
RME and Lynx still support PCI but I don't know if I would want to lay cash on them without knowing how long that support will remain.
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BobF
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Anderton
The 8.1 thing and lack of dedicated drivers could be the issue. SONAR ties in pretty deep with Windows (maybe too deep sometimes). There were a lot of changes between W7 and W8.1, which frankly, is one reason why I haven't upgraded to 8.1...things are working now with a system that's optimized for Windows 7. I want touch, but not badly enough to upset a productive system.
As to what fault reporter says, I'd recommend contacting Cakewalk tech support. I'd bet that very few users here are running SONAR on Windows 8.1 using a Delta 66 interface with Windows 7 drivers. In fact you might be the only one, in which case you won't get an answer from someone here who solved the problem. OTOH tech support might have run into this before and have some recommendation, like re-installing the drivers using some particular Windows compatibility mode. Or perhaps a mystical phrase you need to enter into a DOS command line interface.
Thanks Craig. My past experience with Sonar was that it was always way more sensitive to hardware than any of the others I tried along the way. This is likely the case now. I moved straight from XP to 8. I did a buncha' research and decided to skip 7. Everything I intended to use at that time continues to run flawlessly. Trying Sonar again was an afterthought that came 12-18 months later. I think I'll configure Sonar to use a different interface for tasks that aren't sensitive to latency and see how it goes. I'm really curious about how comping will work then. If/when my trusty Deltas give up (I have a spare :) ) I'll check what Cake recommends for audio hardware.
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Anderton
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If you have the bucks, RME is about as good as it gets for latency. I believe Noel Borthwick uses the PCI version so I guess that's some kind of Cakewalk recommendation For USB, I'm currently testing the TASCAM US-4x4 for suitability with amp sims for live performance with guitar. I'm getting a reported 4.3 ms RTL at 96 kHz, which is holding up even with multiple sim instances (e.g., one for each string).
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Anderton
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My past experience with Sonar was that it was always way more sensitive to hardware than any of the others I tried along the way. This is likely the case now.
I may be completely wrong about this, but I wonder if cross-platform operation can result in DAWs that are more "forgiving" because they need to work with a wider range of variables. Or not. Hey, I don't code this stuff, I just use it.
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BobF
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Anderton
If you have the bucks, RME is about as good as it gets for latency. I believe Noel Borthwick uses the PCI version so I guess that's some kind of Cakewalk recommendation
For USB, I'm currently testing the TASCAM US-4x4 for suitability with amp sims for live performance with guitar. I'm getting a reported 4.3 ms RTL at 96 kHz, which is holding up even with multiple sim instances (e.g., one for each string).
That's a good recommendation. I'll write that one down :)
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BobF
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My past experience with Sonar was that it was always way more sensitive to hardware than any of the others I tried along the way. This is likely the case now.
I may be completely wrong about this, but I wonder if cross-platform operation can result in DAWs that are more "forgiving" because they need to work with a wider range of variables. Or not. Hey, I don't code this stuff, I just use it.
I think you're right. There's an unavoidable layer of abstraction that pulls them back from the weeds. And at least one that I know of that manages to do this while maintaining awesome levels of audio engine performance.
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Delta66 with Win7x64 drivers and X3e Prod - Win8.1x64 system
UPDATE: I reverted back to an earlier Win7 driver release after seeing a forum post somewhere that the prior release was more stable with 8.1.
With a 128 sample buffer @ 48K (6.8ms rt latency) X3e has been rock solid. I just finished mixing a collab project that is heavier than I typical have. 22 audio tracks with a healthy assortment of compressors, reverbs and a delay or two. Sonar basically idled its way thru without so much as a glitch anywhere.
I'm sooooooo glad my Delta is still kicking (ass)
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Only just spotted this...
A couple of months ago I plugged in an old Delta44 becasue I was tracking down whether there was a a fault in my then interface (UA-101) or a Windows problem.
Neither of the M-Audio Win 7 drivers worked for me under Win 8.1. The later driver simply resulted in Windows blue screens which indicated the Delta driver was to blame, or no audio at all, not even MEdia Player.
The pre-SP1 driver would give me solid, basic playback, but recoerding was the opposite of stable.
I guess it's the standard PC problem that there are so many possible hardware variants and combinations that it's no surprise that once in a while weird things happen. Apple don't have this problem because they are always working with known hardware. For which they charge a great deal more money than you'd pay for a similarly specced PC.
Sonar Platinum 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro 64bit, I7 3770K Ivybridge, 16GB Ram, Gigabyte Z77-D3H m/board, ATI 7750 graphics+ 1GB RAM, 2xIntel 520 series 220GB SSDs, 1 TB Samsung F3 + 1 TB WD HDDs, Seasonic fanless 460W psu, RME Fireface UFX, Focusrite Octopre. Assorted real synths, guitars, mandolins, diatonic accordions, percussion, fx and other stuff.
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