Possible very trivial track cloning bug - X3E.

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2014/03/20 19:37:55 (permalink)

Possible very trivial track cloning bug - X3E.

I seem to be running into a lot of system issues today quite separate from Cakewalk. I thought I resolved them but maybe not.
I think it's since I upgraded the Focusrite mix control software.
 
This one though I'm not so sure of, would anybody mind checking this in X3E? Thanks...
 
STEPS
 
New Project.
Add softsynth track with Dimension Pro.
Drag in a MIDI clip into this track.
Right click, clone track. Tick all boxes apart from "Link to original clips", repetitions = 1, Starting track = 3.
Click OK.
 
Then.... crash.
 
Thanks!
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/03/20 20:22:52

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 19:57:36 (permalink)
    Hi Alex, I cannot reproduce here. Interestingly your settings for clone came up as default for me (I rarely use clone, and thought it odd it defaulted to track 3). It inserted the clone track as Track 2. Just to check further, I re-cloned Track 1 with the same settings two more times. It inserted Track 3, and then Track 4 cleanly for me.
     
    I was curious if setting the track number would pose an issue, but it appears that it does not (it chooses the next unused track #).

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 20:24:29 (permalink)
    Thanks...
     
    Yes I have the same defaults. Yes this is weird, if I enter starting track as 2 then no crash, and exactly why would it default as 3 anyway? (It probably thinks a soft synth track which it would be if split).
     
    I have a feeling this maybe a Sonar issue, because I shouldn't have the option of starting on track 3 (that's surely a bug), and by telling it to do so is making is making it crash. Maybe my steps to reproduce are not complete enough which is why you cannot repro...
     
    UPDATE - Now this is weird after cloning other types of tracks like AUDIO. Closing Sonar and starting it again (I did this several times before), it is now working fine. Really really odd.... I can't image this would be a driver issue.
     
    Anyway I shall log this in the meantime:


     
    STEPS
     
    New Project.
    Add softsynth track with Dimension Pro (For the options choose Simple instrument track only).
    Drag in a MIDI clip into this track.
    Right click, clone track.
    Change starting track = 3.
     
    EXPECTED
     
    You can't do this. Only starting track 1* or 2
     
     
    ACTUAL
     
    You should only able to change the starting track to 1* or 2.
     
    * I'm surprised a starting track of 1 is allowed as well, please tell me what would be the documented behaviour for using this?
     
     
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    post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/03/20 21:12:57

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 20:46:17 (permalink)
    Not quite sure what the issue is...... it all works fine here (both audio+midi and simple instrument track).

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 20:54:08 (permalink)
    Steps are slimlined in #3 and have been reproduced in #2.

    Steps in #1 should probably be ignored for the moment until I can find better ways of reproducing the issue (if indeed it is possible any more).
     
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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 21:03:11 (permalink)
    Well, it's the steps in #3 that I followed. Maybe I don't understand the Expected and Actual sections?
    When there are 2 tracks, you can choose where you want the new (cloned) track to appear, either before the first track, before the second track or after the second track, no? And I can do all of these fine. 

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 21:16:53 (permalink)
    I should have added "tick Simple instrument track only" when adding the soft synth. You should only get one track before you clone not two (have updated this now).

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 21:22:48 (permalink)
    I see what you mean, looking into it.

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 21:25:43 (permalink)
    Well with a single audio track I get an option for a starting track as 1 or 2, and with a MIDI track 1 or 2 as well. However with a single soft synth track 1,2, and 3. Something here is not making sense to me. Cheers...

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 21:26:51 (permalink)
    Ok, now I see what you mean. It's more apparent when you have, say, three simple instrument tracks and give their track strips different colors. If you select Clone Track on the first track and enter "4" in the Starting Track field, it ends up inserting the new track between the second and the third tracks.

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 21:29:42 (permalink)
    Yup. I guess I could be slightly confused with the expected and actual behaviours, but there is certainly an inconsistency.

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 22:07:15 (permalink)
    Ths subject of issues with cloning simple instrument tracks has come up before. There was a pretty hot thread on it last summer:
     
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Why-are-mix-controls-on-cloned-instrument-tracks-linked-m2856182.aspx
     
    My conclusion was that the concept of cloning (i.e. two or more tracks of the same type having exactly the same settings throughout but operating independently) is incompatible with the concept of simple instrument tracks (one MIDI track + one audio track + one soft synth all tied together), and should just be disallowed.
     
    When you clone a Simple Instrument track, basically, the MIDI track gets cloned, but it has the controls (and the icon) of the Simple Instrument track from which is was cloned. So you end up with two tracks that have independent MIDI controls, but whose audio widgets control the same set of audio track parameters. Not only does this create confusion, there are some technical problems with the result (e.g. MIDI input echo on the clone can get get locked in the enabled state), and if you split the original, you can't make it back into an Instrument track without first redirecting the output of the MIDI clone.
     
    I could be wrong, but I don't think anything has changed in the interim.

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/03/20 22:31:07 (permalink)
    Yes that probably warrants further investigation. Thanks for heads up.
     
    I had a session today and I was cloning soft synth tracks like no tomorrow, and noticed "odd" behaviour today similar to what you had described. Solo buttons linking as well. Of course a soft synth is really an audio and MIDI track in one track so this makes sense. Guess one day we could write steps to make it clear what each individual issue is and get 6 or so  potential "bugs" out of it. Cheers...

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    Re: Yet another system issue? (not Sonar) 2014/04/01 05:55:51 (permalink)
    Confirmed by Cakewalk...

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