Post here only if you are happy with X1, and what major issues you'd like fixed.

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Hey Guys.

As I said yesterday, I'm a super happy 8.5.3 user. Mostly using Komplete 7, Omnisphere/Trilian and Audio.

I'm a professional user - and have been for years. I produce and compose music beds for TV, web and advertising. 
I also produce a ton of my own singer songwriter material, and my ongoing contemporary world music project, Wired Planet.

I am curious about X-1, but would not seriously consider an install, until at least the next patch (b or c) - 
perhaps even the next version...IOW, I usually try not to be the first of the guinea pigs :)  

(I've done this once or twice in the past, so I feel the pain some of you are experiencing...
OTOH, I beta-tested and reviewed 6.2.1 w/Dim Pro and Rapture for Tape Op - which was a brilliant upgrade!)             
 
I can't afford many major interruptions in workflow and schedule. There's generally a lot of time wasted,
as well as too many unanswered questions - especially, in a new version or major GUI upgrade, like this.

I'd love to hear from the more professional/expert/seasoned users here who are happy so far with X1, 
as well as what major issues you are currently experiencing - which might hamper your work flow.

I've read through the bug lists, and I do have some professional friends who are currently happy X1 users.

I'd love to learn the things you guys are really excited about, as well as the genuine problems you're having. 

My biggest gripes in 8.5.3, so far:

1. Lack of a 64-bit Quicktime codec - so I cannot do my scoring in Sonar 64-bit (HUGE BUMMER!!!!)
2. Constant problems with both Dim Pro and Rapture - to the point of non-usability (given up on them).
3. Video scoring is way too limited. Everyone does scoring to picture these days, so... 
4. Ridiculously non-usable latency issues with the LP(EQ) plug-ins.

Are any of these issues addressed in X1?


Cheers, and let's try to keep this thread constructive - if possible. 
  
Thanks for taking any time here.

You guys rock! 
 

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Glad you've found a psych prof you're happy with!

And absolutely clap away - I've got my rec channels enabled 


Cheers, man!

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Hmmmm.....interesting, John. Thanks.

Regarding your MIDI issue - I've almost never experienced this in any version up to 8.5.3.  

I'm using an Edirol controller via USB, and I never have to reload an entire project after inserting a synth,
in order to trigger samples/patches. And I'm using a TON of soft synths.

MIDI is pretty much seemless for me in 8.5.3, and has almost always been in all versions of CW/Sonar for 20 years. 

I have had MIDI hw interface issues in the past with certain devices - 
for example the Motu 24I/O synching MIDI and audio was a NIGHTMARE, so I got rid of it.

I'm wondering if I understand you properly, and wonder if anyone else has this issue?

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Lynn


I like X1 pretty well because it's been more stable for me than 8.5.  However, I'm not happy with the way CW changed how the envelope function works.  We have to go to the clips box and click, scroll down to clips automation and click, choose between gain, pan, or automation and click yet again before we can actually work with the envelope.  Then, when we're finished, we go back to the clips box and reselect clips to get out of the envelope mode.  In previous versions we merely right clicked on a clip to choose envelopes and were immediately able to use our cursor to grab an envelope and manipulate it.  That way was much quicker than the new way.  Perhaps the smart tool could have an envelope mode built into it, or the right click method could be restored in future versions.  I've seen others complain about this, too, so the demand is there.

Excellent, Lynn.

This sounds tremendously important.

Envelopes should DEFINITELY be immediately accessible.

For years, in some other DAWs, the envelope access has always been way easier, quicker, and more intuitive.

It sounds like you think CW is onto this.

Thanks!


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Lynn


I like X1 pretty well because it's been more stable for me than 8.5.  However, I'm not happy with the way CW changed how the envelope function works.  We have to go to the clips box and click, scroll down to clips automation and click, choose between gain, pan, or automation and click yet again before we can actually work with the envelope.  Then, when we're finished, we go back to the clips box and reselect clips to get out of the envelope mode.  In previous versions we merely right clicked on a clip to choose envelopes and were immediately able to use our cursor to grab an envelope and manipulate it.  That way was much quicker than the new way.  Perhaps the smart tool could have an envelope mode built into it, or the right click method could be restored in future versions.  I've seen others complain about this, too, so the demand is there.

Instead of using the clip box you also can press the middle mouse button-
From there you get access to automation, tools and snap settings.
I don't find that too bad, because you need a quick access often needed tools anyway.
And if you want to automate, you have to select what to automate.

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Thanks, guys.

All good stuff, so far!

Cheers.

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Lynn

ThomThom

Lynn


I like X1 pretty well because it's been more stable for me than 8.5.  However, I'm not happy with the way CW changed how the envelope function works.  We have to go to the clips box and click, scroll down to clips automation and click, choose between gain, pan, or automation and click yet again before we can actually work with the envelope.  Then, when we're finished, we go back to the clips box and reselect clips to get out of the envelope mode.  In previous versions we merely right clicked on a clip to choose envelopes and were immediately able to use our cursor to grab an envelope and manipulate it.  That way was much quicker than the new way.  Perhaps the smart tool could have an envelope mode built into it, or the right click method could be restored in future versions.  I've seen others complain about this, too, so the demand is there.

Instead of using the clip box you also can press the middle mouse button-
From there you get access to automation, tools and snap settings.
I don't find that too bad, because you need a quick access often needed tools anyway.
And if you want to automate, you have to select what to automate.

Yes, I understand that you can use the middle wheel to get to the clips box, but you still have to go through the same routine to get to your envelopes and edit them.  In fact, it just adds one more click to the routine.  Previous versions were much faster.

Uh...Lynn, No you don't "still have to go through the same routine to get to your envelopes and edit them." Read my previous post above.

I want to post here to report my guilty pleasure of being a user of Sonar X1. Why? It has never crashed on me. Must say I have been a user since Sonar 3 and even though I am not a commercial professional at this, I can best describe myself as an expert amateur.
Just that, in reading here on the forum of so many others having issues (some who are professionals or at least self described that way) I often feel guilty that I am doing something wrong because the darn thing is not crashing or choking up on me.
I also have a hunch some of the problems with Skylight might be related to the structure of the programming language itself i.e. Microsoft, and will get better once that is addressed. Somehow many yet will be left with a bitter pill because the Xb update will not fix the issues they are having.

HumbleNoise

Lynn

ThomThom

Lynn


I like X1 pretty well because it's been more stable for me than 8.5.  However, I'm not happy with the way CW changed how the envelope function works.  We have to go to the clips box and click, scroll down to clips automation and click, choose between gain, pan, or automation and click yet again before we can actually work with the envelope.  Then, when we're finished, we go back to the clips box and reselect clips to get out of the envelope mode.  In previous versions we merely right clicked on a clip to choose envelopes and were immediately able to use our cursor to grab an envelope and manipulate it.  That way was much quicker than the new way.  Perhaps the smart tool could have an envelope mode built into it, or the right click method could be restored in future versions.  I've seen others complain about this, too, so the demand is there.

Instead of using the clip box you also can press the middle mouse button-
From there you get access to automation, tools and snap settings.
I don't find that too bad, because you need a quick access often needed tools anyway.
And if you want to automate, you have to select what to automate.

Yes, I understand that you can use the middle wheel to get to the clips box, but you still have to go through the same routine to get to your envelopes and edit them.  In fact, it just adds one more click to the routine.  Previous versions were much faster.

Uh...Lynn, No you don't "still have to go through the same routine to get to your envelopes and edit them." Read my previous post above.

I must have been typing while you posted this, and I missed it.  Yes, that helps me a great deal and it's better that the method I was using.  You're right that this technique got lost somewhere in the ether, but thank you for bringing this to my attention.  There must me something else I would like to see improved in X1, but right now I'm going to edit some envelopes.

If the Browser is docked to the right the synth assigned controls are not assessable. If you dock it in the multidock they are. I would like to see the Synth Rack View Removed from the Browser View. But fixing it would work also.

I have 8.5 and X1 and I use X1 over 8.5 99% of the time - just a hobbyist with light use so far. I liken the redesign to what I experienced with the MS Office update, where they introduced the ribbon. It took a little getting used to at first, but now I don’t want to go back to the old way.
 
One new feature that I’d like to see is a custom toolbar, similar to MS applications that let you map any menu command to a tool button (sorry if I missed it in the X1b list or if others have already suggested it).
I’m currently using X1 on a collaboration project with three other musicians (using SD3 plus around 15 audio tracks with automation and about 30 plugins). I’ve had some problems and am awaiting X1b, but so far, no show-stoppers for this project.
 
BTW, I learned about the shift-click for the envelopes watching this (Introducing Cakewalk SONAR X1 - Part 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kssws0F1f9g&p=295A82906B6B9A88

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Thanks for all the great responses, guys.

This is awesome.

Keep 'em coming, pretty please 


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I too make my entire living from producing music, and would like to see VVocal have a bit more time put into making sound better and more customizable.  For the most part i love where they took X1, and think the listed bug fixes so far are quite good.  I just wish they would do more with existing items like tempo maps, audio snap, and VVocal.
If VVvocal had the simple ability to have it open the way you want ie  waveform preview off by default and all the controls where you like them every time would be very happy. Also if they had a tempo map a little more like Cubase...but over all a great start.

sqye


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My biggest gripes in 8.5.3, so far:

2. Constant problems with both Dim Pro and Rapture - to the point of non-usability (given up on them).
4. Ridiculously non-usable latency issues with the LP(EQ) plug-ins.

Are any of these issues addressed in X1?

 
Dim Pro and Rapture both work great for me in X! 64 bit.
 
My understanding is that the LP plugs were designed to use in the mastering process and were never meant to be used in real time, hence the latency.
 
X1 64 bit is working really well for me, no complaints at all.
 
Good luck to you!

Like it. Use it. To qualify or disqualify my answer; I'm not the most experienced, I'm not the least experienced. Related - I've worked in IT department my whole career, and I'm gettin' a little gray on top.....(Good Lord, I'm getting ready for my 27th wedding anniversary this month)...... 
Like all software, X1 or whatever it might be called in future, will never be "finished". Cake is going in the right direction IMHO.

Everyone is free to choose by voting with their dollars and time invested. Those two currencies can be called the true measure of one's interest. For some, either use it or not. Unproductive complaining leads no where, constructive communication builds roads to better products and community.

As for me, plus 1 for X1, and I'll be getting Expanded when I've time to get it done which I hope is this weekend.