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Presonus Studio 192?
Anyone here use a Presonus Studio 192 or Studio 192 Mobile? Thinking of getting either as my next audio interface and want to know if it plays nice with Sonar.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/13 19:21:40
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If you are considering spending that kind of money, I would highly recommend that you save $300 and get a Tascam US-20x20 instead. It's as capable, and is more stable.
When I was getting back into music a couple of years ago, I started with PreSonus Studio One and an AudioBox 44VSL. I'm now using SONAR with a Tascam US-16x16. Not going back. I will not support a company that continually drops support for existing, relatively new, still being actively marketed products and then completely ignores their customers complaints. I have been banned from the PreSonus forum for the simple sin of complaining online about their complete silence. So, they effectively shut me up...on their forum, and their forum only.
I don't care how good the Studio 192 might be. There is no guarantee that they will respond to you when (not if) you have a problem.
And their forum is pretty much useless...just a dump bucket for complaints and questions...and stock boiler room answers ("Have you optimized your PC for audio?") with no follow-up.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/13 19:29:29
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I've never used them, but FWIW I looked at those interfaces very briefly when I was shopping for an upgraded system. However, I quickly dropped the PreSonus units from consideration. The reviews, both professional and on forums, spoke about latency issues, driver stability issues and the lack of advantage offered by USB3. My understanding is that they have very nice converters, and some pretty nice features -- and they intergrate really well with Studio One -- but need some time for the drivers to mature. I don't know how well they intergrate Sonar, and I'd also like to hear from someone who's tried them. But the initial wave of reviews were deal-breakers for me.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/13 19:42:18
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/13 20:28:26
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My understanding is that they have very nice converters, and some pretty nice features -- and they intergrate really well with Studio One -- but need some time for the drivers to mature.
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My point is that just seems to never happen with PreSonus audio interface drivers. For example, the latest VSL drivers (v1.3 for 22, 44, 1818) were buggy under Win7, with numerous posts from impacted users (me being one of them) in their forum attesting to the fact. Then Win10 came along, and the driver failed completely on my DAW. PreSonus' update? Well, there was one. To the online description of the driver (still v1.3), claiming Win10 compatibility. Hey, it works for somebody somewhere. Can you tell I **** (dislike) these guys? And they're still actively selling the VSL devices. Shame on them. It seems like they only have one driver writer, and when they release new hardware, off (s)he goes into the new blue yonder.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/13 21:25:35
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If you want an interface that really sounds great, is super stable and has great drivers and very low latency consider an RME model. They are excellent. I think the RME out performs the Presonus interface latency wise.
I am not sure about the new 192 Mobile though. I think it got a good review. Maybe they have improved things in that model.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/13 22:04:16
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I have an 1818VSL, it is a really solid interface, and it is working just fine for me - Sonar Plat and Studio One V3, all under Win10. That does not mean it will work for you, but at least you know it can work...
I picked up an Apollo Twin USB pretty much as soon as they released it, and that is my main interface now. But I have no complaints about the 1818VSL, and in fact it is still in the rack for those times when I need more inputs (until such time as I can add a converter that supports S/MUX or an Apollo rack!)
My impression (no scientific proof) is that the Apollo sounds different than the VSL, and I might even say better, but it is not a huge difference.
I think the RME sounds every bit as good as the Apollo Twin, and their drivers are the stuff of legend.
I also auditioned the Studio 192 and I thought it probably had a slight edge over the VSL, but it wasn't as dramatic, certainly not enough to justify that upgrade.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/13 23:10:53
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Can you tell I **** (dislike) these guys? And they're still actively selling the VSL devices. Shame on them.
I sense a wee bit of disenchantment, there. :) I have heard similar stories about their driver support and early abandonment of hardware. I briefly tried out Studio One (which was nice enough, but didn't offer me anything Sonar didn't already offer me), but I did not end up buying it -- and Presonus' reputation was part of the reason that I didn't. As for the OP, I have to echo what was suggested in the thread -- consider an RME interface. I bought my first one a few months ago (a used Babyface unit), and I'm now a total believer. They are as good as their reputation. It is the best interface I've ever owned, and works like a dream with Sonar.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 06:21:04
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I tried a Studio 192. Their "auto setup" function resulted in 22ms latency. I was able to manually reduce it but not close to the MOTU 896mk3 hybrid that I ultimately wound up with.
The 192 "died" on me the second day I had it. It would not power off (except by unplugging it from AC power).
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 06:48:21
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TheMaartian
If you are considering spending that kind of money, I would highly recommend that you save $300 and get a Tascam US-20x20 instead. It's as capable, and is more stable.
Thanks, I never heard of that Tascam unit before, the price is certainly right. I was just about to order it tonight -- but I've been reading reports of high latency. Being that I use softsynths regularly, this is kind of distressing to me.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 06:49:36
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Amicus717
As for the OP, I have to echo what was suggested in the thread -- consider an RME interface. I bought my first one a few months ago (a used Babyface unit), and I'm now a total believer. They are as good as their reputation. It is the best interface I've ever owned, and works like a dream with Sonar.
Hmm, I don't quite have the budget for RME though...but thanks.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 07:40:57
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RME Babyface Pro sells for $750 - $800 US at various places (Sweetwater, etc). I have the original version, which is awesome, and by all accounts the newer Pro unit improves on the original in every way.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 10:22:56
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Take a look at the Zoom UAC-8. USB 3 and delivers ridiculously low latencies.
Not many reviews out there, but it's little brother is selling well with good reviews.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 11:37:58
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The TASCAM US 20x20 is a nice-sounding, full-featured pro unit (Word clock, various Digital in/out, good softmixer, etc.). Great quality and bold features for a great price.
As to the latency, the latest drivers improved things somewhat - I'm down to 9 ms roundtrip on USB 2 (older, win 7 computer - I'll check with my newer one running USB 3 when I get a chance). By no means top-of-the-class but usable. Over a 1/3 of that is getting sound in and processing - the output latency solo is 5ms or so. That is what you'll get w/ softsynths to work with.
And, for what it is worth, TASCAM has in-house driver writing now and the US line (2X2 on up) use the same drivers so I expect new ones to continue to come out. Of course, I've been wrong before and I would never buy hardware if I could only use it in the future with more work (been there and done that) but I find the latency is OK for my work.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 13:39:02
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Another one mentioned is a MOTU UltraLite AVB which is $50 more than the Presonus unit. BTW you could wait for one of those discounts from MF or GC. 15% can mane the MOTU or Babyface much closer to your budget.
Not a fan of Presonus or Tascam.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 14:39:39
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MOTU is never in the M/F % discounts. I just bought an MOTU 896mk3 Hybrid and it was not in the 4th of July 15% off promotion. The rep said MOTU does not participate in their promotions. But I got them to match B&H's price which knocked $50 off the price.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 15:26:30
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MOTU is never in the M/F % discounts. I just bought an MOTU 896mk3 Hybrid and it was not in the 4th of July 15% off promotion. The rep said MOTU does not participate in their promotions. But I got them to match B&H's price which knocked $50 off the price.
Oh that's right. Sometimes they work with RME. It must be a MOTU thing like Bose and Apple, even on the phone a rep can knock 10% off but must not be the case here.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 15:54:55
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fireberd
MOTU is never in the M/F % discounts. I just bought an MOTU 896mk3 Hybrid and it was not in the 4th of July 15% off promotion. The rep said MOTU does not participate in their promotions. But I got them to match B&H's price which knocked $50 off the price.
Oh that's right. Sometimes they work with RME. It must be a MOTU thing like Bose and Apple, even on the phone a rep can knock 10% off but must not be the case here.
You gotta wait until you find an *unrestricted* coupon/discount, I somehow landed a 15% on non-sale item coupon at GC and used it to buy a new Behringer X-touch, which nobody is discounting, (although they are a great buy vs a Mackie MCU anyway).
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 22:27:35
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Order a Studio 192 from a place like Sweetwater which has a liberal return policy and decide for yourself. Personally when I think of Presonus hardware the words "barge pole" come to mind. Their software is a different animal and is quite nice.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/14 23:22:32
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When i was in the market for an interface, Presonus pretty much scared me off when I discovered that they were implementing monitor mixes and FX within their USB drivers on their VSL models. That's a pretty damn clever hack to short-circuit & sidestep a bit of latency (vs echoing all the way to and back from the daw) and mooch off the PC's processor - clever, but foolish. Foolish in that it's easily broken if MS decides to redo their driver architecture, foolish in that it's essentially stealing time from the daw. Foolish on you if you paid extra for essentially plain interface with a hacked-up driver. YMMV
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/15 00:10:00
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When i was in the market for an interface, Presonus pretty much scared me off when I discovered that they were implementing monitor mixes and FX within their USB drivers on their VSL models. That's a pretty damn clever hack to short-circuit & sidestep a bit of latency (vs echoing all the way to and back from the daw) and mooch off the PC's processor - clever, but foolish. Foolish in that it's easily broken if MS decides to redo their driver architecture, foolish in that it's essentially stealing time from the daw. Foolish on you if you paid extra for essentially plain interface with a hacked-up driver. YMMV
Their marketing is totally dishonest IMHO... They boost the USB3 and "near zero latency" crap to the hilt yet when you directly ask them about RTL they scatter like roaches or their fan boys come out of the woodwork to defend the nest. I really wanted to like the Studio 192 but the poor RTL killed it for me.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/15 02:35:35
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Okay, sounds like I'm turned off by the Presonus now. I always thought they made good stuff for some reason.
Anyway, I just found out about the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 Second Generation. Haven't seen any reviews on it but it's quite a package for $500 and I heard the Focusrites have pretty good latency. Can anyone here second the motion?
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/07/15 11:57:37
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Okay, sounds like I'm turned off by the Presonus now. I always thought they made good stuff for some reason.
Anyway, I just found out about the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 Second Generation. Haven't seen any reviews on it but it's quite a package for $500 and I heard the Focusrites have pretty good latency.
Nice choice, the 18i20. (BTW, the 2nd gen touts lower latencies than the 1st). The problem now is that these are just trickling into the stores, so there are very few users who've actually used them. The lower model 2nd gen Scarletts (2i2 and 2i4) have been out for awhile, and aside from some teething problems with the early drivers, the reviews have been good so far. Also, the first generations were/are solid performers, so I expect the 2nd gens will surpass them in popularity. I myself will be buying one (probably the 6i6) in the coming weeks. I have another working interface, so worst case, it's no big deal for me if the drivers need a few months to "mature".
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/08/12 13:46:53
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I do have the 192 and was getting frustrated with pops and crackles plus latency. I used to have the delta 1010 which used to work great but I wanted to upgrade. Presonus recently provided new drivers and firmware which at first I wasn't sure was going to do the trick but after a lot of trial and error I got it to work now. I was used to letting Sonar control the mix so in the Presonus controller I would disable Presonus' control. I accidentally enabled it and magically everything worked as it should. As of the past 12 days my buyers remorse has subsided and it does sound great. I'm using addictive drums , rapture pro and Amplitube 4 max which is working as it should now.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/08/12 14:00:44
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I bought a presonus firebox when they were just end of life (2009ísh??) thinking they would support it for a while with decent drivers, they didn't. I swore I wouldn't buy any more hardware from them, studio one is okay though.
I month ago I bought a MOTU UltraLite AVB, couldn't be happier, crazy low latency.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/08/12 16:14:55
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I bought a presonus firebox when they were just end of life (2009ísh??) thinking they would support it for a while with decent drivers, they didn't. I swore I wouldn't buy any more hardware from them, studio one is okay though.
I month ago I bought a MOTU UltraLite AVB, couldn't be happier, crazy low latency.
Andrew.
Same here with the MOTU Ultralite AVB. Great unit with very low latency, excellent support and really good sound IMHO. I am very happy with my decision.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/08/22 17:09:16
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I have a studio 192. I eliminated all high definition audio devices. I'm pleased with it. windows 7 64 bit.
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/08/23 07:41:35
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I was looking at the Presonus 192 (also the RM16 and 32). I ended up with the Behringer which I know is a name most people don't associate with high end...The XR18 is 18 in 18 out AND can function as a full PA (not amplified of course) with Tablet mixing. A lot of people on their forum: http://forum.music-group.com/forumdisplay.php?113-X-AIR-General-Discussion chose this over the Presonus because of the sound. That said, and I have it working well, the software to run the various settings is in a stage of flux, but the thing responds to the OSC standard so there are some third party apps that are starting to overtake the Behringer developed apps which have not seen updates for a while now. Time will tell if this was a good decision. I do like the MIDAS designed Preamps though and for $699.00 a stage box that is actually a PA and an 18x18 interface?
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Re: Presonus Studio 192?
2016/08/23 08:05:50
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I was looking at the Presonus 192 (also the RM16 and 32). I ended up with the Behringer which I know is a name most people don't associate with high end...The XR18 is 18 in 18 out AND can function as a full PA (not amplified of course) with Tablet mixing. A lot of people on their forum:
http://forum.music-group.com/forumdisplay.php?113-X-AIR-General-Discussion chose this over the Presonus because of the sound.
That said, and I have it working well, the software to run the various settings is in a stage of flux, but the thing responds to the OSC standard so there are some third party apps that are starting to overtake the Behringer developed apps which have not seen updates for a while now.
Time will tell if this was a good decision. I do like the MIDAS designed Preamps though and for $699.00 a stage box that is actually a PA and an 18x18 interface?
Wow ... that's very capable looking box.
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