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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/13 22:59:47
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I've just gone through the whole thread again to remind myself. It looks extremely likely there is or was a hard disk error, and/or major corruption of the file system on your hard drive. An accident waiting to happen... Its very possible the two versions of windows interfered with each other.... ie windows 8.1 interfered with the BCD configuration or something.... Could have been the drive itself but more likely software... All just speculation but what was happening does really speak for itself.
Either way I can't see Sonar being responsible here myself...
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/13 23:09:26
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The thing that really struck me were instructions I ran across for running sfc under Win 8.1 on WindowsEight forums, there were steps detailed for determining the boot drive and Win 8 drive in multi-boot systems and then formatting the command as this: sfc /scannow /offbootdir=C:\ /offwindir=D:\windows
I understand the inoccuous nature of the command, it may also be the case that it could have been repaired. But my install disk didn't do it and I was in a hurry so I began reinstalling. I chalk most of this up to my lack of time to do it right, but I probably should have waited for CW's answer after X3 wouldn't start the last time. I hope you don't think I'm trying to blame it all on the sfc suggestion, not at all. It was eihter my lack of proper use, for not looking the proper use up, or somethng wrong that showed no symptoms at all beforehand as you suggest.
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/13 23:13:48
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SFC /scannow will scan the windows you are currently booted into. It knows where everthing is once it has booted. Or if it doesnt it will stop. The other flags are when you want to scan operating systems that you are not booted in. eg if you wanted to scan a windows partition you have not booted up into..... which is offline.
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/13 23:21:40
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I don'tthink Sonar had anything to do with the sys problem, you know you can't say for sure, the only issue I think for Sonar is why the PC add-ons stopped X3 from launching. That whole process: install PCs, launch fail - - uninstall PCs, launch - - install by each, launch until LA2A then fail - - uninstall, still no launch. It's unusual and I have no response from CW right now, not even a "it must be you", so until I do I'm on hold. I'm don't think your speculation is out of bounds either, but it does appear to me that win 8 was built to coexist with 7 since the MS site has plenty of info on dual booting them, it was automatic, and worked well. It would make sense in helping to convince people to adopt, as many are reluctant to leave the familiar. Can't rule out disc error either, and that may be most likely for the sfc error, but talk abut bad timing.
post edited by rpm61 - 2013/11/14 01:51:41
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/13 23:58:15
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I just saw a couple threads with people having problems with 8.1, one of them had a problem with sfc being corrupt and it was suggested he check the hash on his download. I downloaded from MS but maybe I should check as well.
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/14 02:32:53
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If you downloaded from MS store and installation completed successfully then you are fine...
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/20 17:17:12
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I heard from CW support yesyerday and they tested the PC add-ons in X3 under Win 8.1 successfully. Also, the links to the updated PC add-on versions are now active on my download page. They download directly from the page listing my registered products instead of linking to a download page for the item, as the other links on the list do, so I'm assuming they fixed it this way.
Since they tested successfully, that makes the disk error / corrupted file problems the best canfifates for cause here. As Alex pointed out, this was already most likely, but I feel better with confirmation from CW of the testing in this environment.
I will be reinstaling Win 8.1 and X3, plus the add-ons, on a different HDD on Friday. I have fresh downloads of the add-ons on a new drive as well, so hopefully I will have better results.
I'll post the outcome after finishing and look forward to wrapping this up.
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/20 18:48:09
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BTW sfc /scannow is just a way to see if Microsoft Window files are corrupted, not to be muddled with crc.
This and chkdsk are great ways to make sure you disk integrity and windows files are in tip top shape.
Always back up.
Cheers...
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/20 20:17:34
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All of my files are on a sepearate drive, so I never lose thoe.
Looking back, I could have restored the Win 7 installation instead of reinstalling, I only lost that due to Win 8 boot mgr being gone but I didn't think. Apparently sfc was introduced with Win 98, but I never herd of it back in the day, a useful tool to keep in mind. I appreciate your help with this Alex, I've very lucky with hard drives through the years, save for a Toshiba laptop a girlfreind had that lost 2 in a row, so I guess I was due.
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/23 23:17:54
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Reinstalled and everything is running fine this time. I haven't installed my 3rd party plugs yet, but they were already in before I tried to install the PC add-ons last time. I'll never know why X3 relaunched after the add-ons were uninstalled after the first attempt at installing them knocked it out, and the second time it didn't come back. I will point out also that although I installed 8.1 and X3 on a different drive this time, the drive they were on is now my Win 7 drive and running with no issues. It looks like a freak disk error during install, or that drive has a problem that will return soon.
Just for clarity, I did confirm through this that the updated versions of all the Pro-channel add-ons are the correct versions to install in X3 under Win8.1, in case someone has a problem and finds this thread. Thanks to all who chimed in and CW support for testing the issue, and Alex for taking an interest and giving direction. It's good to be back!
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/24 00:22:32
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Brilliant news... Hope you are backing it up as a working system as we speak :).
What I would be doing is looking at the event viewer every day for the next few weeks just in case....
Cheers..!
Alex
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/24 03:23:25
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/24 10:48:49
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Thanks arachnaut for the tip. Alex also, I'll check events on the suspect drive, good idea. I am ordering 2 new drives and using one for image backups of my working systems. It is really incredible how easy it is to reinstall 8.1, it was done in little more than 20 minutes. After 8.1 was in it asked me if I wanted to restore my user settings from the previous installation, which I assume were stored on my cloud-space or some other location at MS? I opted to do it and it restored everything I had set up in my first 8.1 install down to the font sizes and the wallpaper I was using for the desktop, plus all the apps I had downloaded. I really can't say enough about this OS, the performance is awesome too.
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Re: Win 8.1 nightmare
2013/11/26 13:27:20
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Funnily enough I don't allow MS to backup via their cloud, I'm paranoid about things like that but I can see it being useful.
I back everything via Acronis True Image nowadays...
And Jim that's a great tip, looking into it now...
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