Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk)

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Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk)

First off, i know this topic has been touched upon, but i don't think a full answer was given.
The question is mostly for Cakewalk, but i'd also appreciate feedback from you guys aswell.

So.... What's up with the Pro Channel? Why can't i see it all? Even when i hide the CB i still can't see everything. Cakewalk, you must have known that users wouldn't have found it accectable to have to hide the Control Bar, then change the display to compact EQ module to dial in compression.

Then we have to change the display back to normal EQ to dial in EQ. Then if we need to go back and change the compression, we have to loose the EQ again. All of this, remember, while the control bar is hidden. You can see even less of the Pro Channel if you want to use the control bar aswell.

So... having said that Cakewalk must have known that the above wasn't acceptable, is it just a few of us who have to do this, or is it the same for everyone?

Can anyone see the whole of the Pro Channel (not in compact eq mode) and also have the control bar visible at the same time?

What i'm trying to get at is am i using a display monitor that isn't up to the job? It's a 19" widescreen LG Flatron W1943SS (if that means anything to anyone.) My screen resolution is set to the highest it can be at 1360 X 768. Does anyone know if that's so called acceptable for running X1?

I say so called acceptable because Cakewalk may say that monitor meets the minimun specs, but i'd dissagree if i can't see and use the whole of the Pro Channel (even without the BC) on my display. What's even more confusing is that Cakewalk said that X1 was designed to take advantage of widescreen monitors...

So my main question for the forum is who can see the whole of the Pro Channel; while the control bar is visible, and/or hidden?



My question for Cakewalk (if you're still reading. I hope you are), is will the Pro Channel ever be scrollable? Is there a programming code (or whatever) that makes it difficult to implement? I have no idea about such things.

I upgraded from Sonar 8.5 PE to X1 PE for the Pro Channel alone. So to have to keep switching the compact EQ on and off, and hide the CB all the time is really dissapointing. Is that just the way it is, or do i need a different display monitor?

On a side note, i'd like to say that apart from the above post, X1(a) has been working perfectly for me, on a slightly below specs system. I can load and run more VSTs than i could with Sonar 8.5 before having to raise the buffer size, so X1 is performing better than 8.5 did. I havn't had any crashes with X1, but i didn't with 8.5 either (apart from V-Vocal, of course).

The point of that was just just to say that i hope you don't see me as 'just another user moaning about something that isn't perfect' (no disrespect to anyone, in any way) Yes, i'm moaning about the Pro Channel, but i love everything else about X1, so well done to Cakewalk!

Thanks everyone, for your time.


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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/04 17:30:24 (permalink)
    It's 725 pixels tall.

    After that you just do the math... to see why it either does or doesn't fit on your monitor screen.

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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/04 19:17:59 (permalink)
    So i do need a new monitor? Oh well, at least i'll be able to see the whole of the Pro Channel. Thanks for the replies.
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/04 20:33:30 (permalink)
    I bought a new monitor after the upgrade (1920 x 1080) and this has greatly improved the X1 experience! The whole X1 design now makes sense.
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/05 17:09:19 (permalink)
    I've just tried to change my screen resolution through my Nvidia control panel and it says my system doesn't support 1280x800...

    Does anyone know if that's because of my display monitor or my graphics card? Or could it be something else?

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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/05 17:13:10 (permalink)
    If you post your system specs someone here could likely answer your question?
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/05 17:14:03 (permalink)
    you must have an older monitor?

    look up the specs for your video card to see its resolutions .. im betting your monitor doesnt support it , or perhaps the refresh rate..

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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 00:48:25 (permalink)
    Yea, I couldn't see the pro channel until I upped the display resolution.  Now I have to squint to read smaller type, but I can see more of SONAR and all the pro channel.

    Most LCDs have a native resolution that they work best at.

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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 01:03:07 (permalink)
    Turn off "show assignable controls for fx" then it will fit on the screen.

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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 04:32:56 (permalink)
    1360x768 is, IMHO, very low resolution to run any advanced content creation program, like SONAR.

    Unless your video card is pretty old, I'd suspect this limitation you are facing is due to your monitor. What is the native resolution of your display monitor?

    1080p monitors are very affordable these days and expand your workspace a great deal. If you have the means, I'd seriously consider an upgrade...and why not use this opportunity to go 24"+  while you're at it. :-) It's pretty amazing what you can get these days when it comes to display technology vs. price.

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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 08:37:37 (permalink)
    Well Brandon, I guess what your saying is my PC won't support X1??





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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 11:05:41 (permalink)
    My current monitor is 1200 pixels in the vertical dimension... and it ain't enough to make the new inefficient use of space comfortable.

    I really don't want to spend $1100+ on a 2560 x 1600 monitor just to restore the ability to see all the track view stuff in X1 that I used to see in v8.5+'s track view.




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    Well Brandon, I guess what your saying is my PC won't support X1??





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    @ middleman yes I do , I had Vic20s, Tandys and the like that had the finicky tape peripheral

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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 13:40:54 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the help. My display doesn't support the required screen relolution so it looks like i do need a new one.

    It's still good news though because it means when i do upgrade my monitor i'll be able to see the whole of the Pro Channel.

    Thanks again for the help.
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 13:58:55 (permalink)
    I had my Text Size (DPI) settings at 150% with a screen resolution of 1920 x 1080.
    I could not see the meter in Pro Channel at those settings.
    Reducing it to 125% with the same screen resolution solved the issue for me.
     
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 15:16:52 (permalink)
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    Thanks for all the help. My display doesn't support the required screen relolution so it looks like i do need a new one.

    It's still good news though because it means when i do upgrade my monitor i'll be able to see the whole of the Pro Channel.

    Thanks again for the help.

    It may not be your display that is the problem. You probably need a new video card. Or you may need both. 
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 17:59:32 (permalink)
    Neiby (or anyone else), do you know if there's a way for me to check if my video card will support a certain screen resolution? Thanks.
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 20:31:51 (permalink)
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    Neiby (or anyone else), do you know if there's a way for me to check if my video card will support a certain screen resolution? Thanks.

    If you go to your video card settings in Windows and slide the resolution slider all the way to right, that is your maximum resolution. Decent video cards are relatively inexpensive these days, as are 1080p monitors. I have a Viewsonic 1080p monitor that I love and it didn't cost too much. Find a video card and monitor that can do 1080p and you'll be set. That would be a resolution of 1920x1080.
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 21:42:27 (permalink)
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    Neiby (or anyone else), do you know if there's a way for me to check if my video card will support a certain screen resolution? Thanks.

    If you go to your video card settings in Windows and slide the resolution slider all the way to right, that is your maximum resolution. Decent video cards are relatively inexpensive these days, as are 1080p monitors. I have a Viewsonic 1080p monitor that I love and it didn't cost too much. Find a video card and monitor that can do 1080p and you'll be set. That would be a resolution of 1920x1080.


    Good gawd, the max resolution you are going to see in Windows is what the monitor tells Windows it can do.  If you have a 800x600 monitor, that's what the Windows slider will go to.  To see what your *card* is capable of, you'll have to dig around in the advanced settings and explicitly select "List All Modes".  Windows tries to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot by selecting modes your monitor can't do.

    That said, I find it appalling that you are required to use a 1920x1080 monitor just to run Sonar.  How do you run it on a friggin laptop?  Oh I know, you go buy a brand new laptop that runs 1920x1080, coz Sonar won't scale to fit your screen.  I use an un-named DAW soft that can easily scale down to fit even my oldest Eee PC running 1024x600, or scales up to sit nice on my 32" 1920x1080 monitor in the studio.  As you size the app down, things like FX bins, and Sends automatically collapse to accommodate the smaller size. 
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 21:45:01 (permalink)
    Yes, good point. I gave very bad advice.  lol  I wasn't thinking. When your computer detects the monitor, if it is plug and play then the computer will know what display modes that monitor has available. Glennbo is 100% correct. Don't listen to a word I say.  :)  
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 21:51:45 (permalink)
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    That said, I find it appalling that you are required to use a 1920x1080 monitor just to run Sonar.  How do you run it on a friggin laptop?  Oh I know, you go buy a brand new laptop that runs 1920x1080, coz Sonar won't scale to fit your screen.  I use an un-named DAW soft that can easily scale down to fit even my oldest Eee PC running 1024x600, or scales up to sit nice on my 32" 1920x1080 monitor in the studio.  As you size the app down, things like FX bins, and Sends automatically collapse to accommodate the smaller size

    First of all you're not "required" to use 1920x1080 and I suspect you know that, but hyperbole is fun! Secondly, you run it on a laptop by having a laptop with high-enough resolution. I've had a laptop that does 1920x1200 for probably 4 years now. Surely you know that many laptops support higher than 720p resolution, and have for quite some time. FWIW: many apps look too small to me at 1920x1080, including the un-named.

    It's safe to assume you haven't actually seen X1 "in the flesh" on your 32" monitor isn't it?
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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 22:01:06 (permalink)
    Last year I went to boxing day blow out bought some 24 wide screen monitor, my mother board graphic card didn't have the right combination of resolution, so I wisked to the manufactures web site

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    Re:Pro Channel Height - Is It Just A Few Of Us, Or?.. (A Question Mostly For Cakewalk) 2011/01/06 22:09:57 (permalink)
    full hd or 1200 is now very hard to find on laptop exept pro series ...i just biought a hp 8540W 15" to replace my Hp 8710w 

    The 15" comes with a 1600*900 while my 8710w was 1900*1200 ....the probem isfull hd or 1200 is to small on a 15" and i wanted really portability /....so no x1 for me on this baby ...

    the simple action for the channel is to add a collapse buton for each sections .....that's all !


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