It does include Boost 11. I'm not saying it is good, but it is a limiter.

 
I think the Sonitus multi-band can be used in this fashion too, and would probably sound a lot cleaner.  
 
But I get it - there is no dedicated master bus limiter for the PC.   As much as I like the CL and have used it many, many times, it's always on a per-track basis as was intended.  It works very well for that.
 
 

stevec

It does include Boost 11. I'm not saying it is good, but it is a limiter.

 
I think the Sonitus multi-band can be used in this fashion too, and would probably sound a lot cleaner.  
 
But I get it - there is no dedicated master bus limiter for the PC.   As much as I like the CL and have used it many, many times, it's always on a per-track basis as was intended.  It works very well for that.
 
 

I was responding to Paul's complaint that there was no brickwall limiter included in X2, by pointing out that there was one - Boost 11.  I don't use it, but it's there.
 
I use the Concrete Limiter, on a per-track basis, and also on the master bus.
 
Are you saying the Concrete Limiter was not intended to be used on the master?

Again I post this question as the special will not last forever and I would like to get the info BEFORE I buy...thanks : 

Can anyone explain the difference between these packs and what is already included in Sonar X2 Producer? Seem the same sorts of tools are already in it.  What are the REAL (not perceived) benefits of buying this pack? It gets so confusing having so many different things that all do essentially the same job...  Thanks  PS: not trying to be obtuse, or be argumentative I genuinely would like opinions before I jump in and buy... 

TS


[We aren't ignoring you. We don't comment on or speculate on future product development for business reasons (most other companies do the same). I hope you understand.
[Andrew Rossa, CW]

Thanks you very much for your reply, Andrew.

In fact, i was not talking about product development, but about issues and bugs to fix (if any, of course).
This is a little strange for a company not to respond to this aspect, whatever its field of activity, and it can be a little discouraging for some customers (or they are wrong about the existence or the importance of the issues they evoke - but in this case you need to tell them, am i right ?).

Anyway, i'll remain faithful and confident (in Nice, summer is coming, and the sea warms )...

+1. Some of us don't care to know about new features just yet. My case, is exactly so. I'm strongly with TS here. We know that it's not good to divulge too much information regarding what Cakewalk is doing, but here's the way I see it:

If Cakewalk will address bugs/issues in the forum, then we can all at least see that CW has acknowledged, not that there is a problem, but so that the user reporting can stop reporting it. I run into bugs all the time, but I don't have much incentive to report them all. The bug-reporting tool is cumbersome, and I get the impression they aren't taken seriously unless there's uber-detail. Many of the bugs I would report are simply by clicking something. Very random. 

What would have been useful is if I could take a snapshot of my Sonar X2a condition at the moment I encounter a bug, record movements, and have those logged. Like a screencast with logging. CW could see what I'm actually attempting to do, and then view the timestamped logs to see what Sonar thinks I'm doing, or what is causing it to not correctly do what I'm doing. Unfortunately, I don't think that's a service or function, so the forum is all that's left.  

Call-in Support did not impress me. I'm sorry. 

wow thanks guys - you seem to be okay with sniping at each other but keep missing a genuine request for info from one who does not have it to people who are using it!!

Smooth!

I already tried the searching but nothing specifically related to the real world differences that I am asking about...

TBH as a user ( I am assuming) I would have thought it just as easy to post a brief opinion instead of spending time finding threads...

Anyhoo thanks for those links, they DID not come up in my search here on the forum, I got everything but...

joden


Yep as I thought, nothing in those threads to answer the question "what can this pack do that is not already IN X2" 

So still no real answer, but thanks for the effort.

See this for the Leveling Compressor and this for thr CL With pack you the entire collection. 

Ahh another Hitchhikers fan ;)

scook


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To be honest joden, it's kind of a case where if you have to ask that question in the first place, you probably won't have much need just yet. As for differences...

Boost vs concrete - boost doesn't sound very good. You can limit softly and it might sound clean, but try to go medium or heavy limiting and it just sounds pumpy and distorted. Concrete limiter just limits without these bad artifacts unless you push it much harder. It will limit your audio much more than you can with boost.

PC2A is just a different sounding compressor. It's very smooth and reacts differently to different material sources in a nice way. It's based of the LA2A. Look it up for an idea of what sound it gives. If you don't have a good grasp on compressors, it probably won't be a lot of use to you, though it is very easy to use, so in that case could be better for a beginner.

You get the idea about the other two. Like the PC2A, they just give a different sound for the more experienced engineer to work with.

Thanks John and Matt - 

That is the sort of info I was after...I am on a very tight budget (like most of us I guess) so I really wanted to gauge peeps opinions on the gear first.

I have a basic grasp of what this stuff does, and tbh I thought a compressor is a compressor is a compressor...but clearly not..

So in effect you are saying I can do all the stuff using built-ins if I choose and they would be okay, but these will do the job better and give a more "polished" result....yes?

Yes, good advice Scook - thanks

Just to add -  I do sometimes like to grab specials and put them aside for the day that I can use them effectively, because when that day comes and I don't have it, I probably won't be able to afford it :)

Fair dues :)

@ Andrew     I thought that my CA-2 upgraded/replaced my PA2 and the CW ad showing 4 PC modules +the CA2 is a little confusing. Can you clear this up for me? Thanks

I would downgrade to Sonar Studio if I could still retain the FX bin that PC has. I don't like how PC sits in the DAW.

brconflict


I would downgrade to Sonar Studio if I could still retain the FX bin that PC has. I don't like how PC sits in the DAW.

This is interesting. What do you mean by "how PC sits in the DAW"?