Jackdied
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ProChannel and it's unique sound
When i mix with ProChannel modules, my mixes get a pretty good dimension. I really really love this and my client always very happy when i did mix with PC modules. So what is the mystery behind this? I sometimes mix on Pro tools with lots of expensive plug-ins ( like Duende Native Bundle, etc..) but no way.. never get this unique "dimension". Is it workflow or something else?
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/19 17:40:45
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If you read up on the PC modules I think it becomes obvious that CW went a lot of effect in order to model these modules as close to the original as they could. I also think they were after the sound and not just a pretty GUI.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/19 17:53:00
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Hi all,i have posted many times that my clients have begun to choose Sonar prj over Protools for its dimensional and warm sound.
It's only my experience.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/19 19:03:06
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I don't see why Cakewalk would want to be anything but Transparent-sounding, but as far as the plug-ins go, sure, I'll buy that. I prefer a larger interface for my plugs, but I get great results from Sonar. BUt just as well, I got great results from ProTools, Cubase, etc. I just find Sonar a little easier to get what I want in the mix.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/19 22:42:55
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John
If you read up on the PC modules I think it becomes obvious that CW went a lot of effect in order to model these modules as close to the original as they could. I also think they were after the sound and not just a pretty GUI.
I used to disagree but after giving them a fair shot, your absolutely correct. cake did a great job with those modules, they seem to have nailed down the compression very well as some of my fav's of all time.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/19 23:04:39
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The CA-2A is really nice! All the PC modules are really pretty damned good.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/19 23:33:06
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And here I thought I was getting better ... It must be the ProChannel. But they are good stuff. CA2, ssl bus and the eq all outstanding.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 04:31:32
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It's good to see another positive thread.
I agree, the ProChannel is great. All of the modules get used here, with always something on every track. The CA-2A is particularly nice, but I like them all, even the 4K Channel Compressor, which took me a while to get into, but now use a lot.
I guess they are modelled well, and the workflow makes it so easy to set up a channel and get the right sound. Switching modules in and out, being able to see them all together so easily without cluttering up the screen with VST GUIs, intuitive controls, just make dialling in great tones a gas.
I don't know if it's my advancing years, but I find the GUIs so easy to use, I guess because they are modelled on analogue units - they just seem so familiar and comfortable for me to use.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 04:59:44
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First I´ve been sceptical about the pro channel modules,
but now I find myself more and more in the situation,to use the PC modules cause they simply work better .
The CA2A,the eq´s and the console emulation are my highlights
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 06:09:05
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Cakewalk helps me see everything in a single view, and Pro Channel is a key part of this. A couple of days ago, I was mixing with my laptop in my lap on the Track View and the Dock floated up to my touch screen just above my laptop screen with all Pro Channels showing. I could really see everything at once. (You all probably know this, but in the Console View if you control click to expand a PC on the left, all the tracks to the right also expand.) I could see track view below with my wave forms over time (laptop screen), showing the wave form output on the main bus as I auditioned. I could see all the faders and fx in the PC in the external monitor.
For me, just being able to see everything at once makes diagnosing MUCH easier. I had been puzzled why the mix downs were suddenly not using all of the available bits ever and I was looking for a compressor that was over compressing or some other cause. Then my eyes fell on the master fader which had come down from Unity (0)... probably a spin of the mouse-wheel when the focus wasn't where I thought it was.
So, am I praising Console View and Pro Channel together? I think I am.
I fixed it with a double tap of my finger on the screen.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 06:49:19
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Jackdied
When i mix with ProChannel modules, my mixes get a pretty good dimension. I really really love this and my client always very happy when i did mix with PC modules. So what is the mystery behind this? I sometimes mix on Pro tools with lots of expensive plug-ins ( like Duende Native Bundle, etc..) but no way.. never get this unique "dimension". Is it workflow or something else?
You know what they say? It's not the tools it's the carpenter. I am optimistic, and I believe that we all get a little better at mixing with each new day. I don't think anything as generic as a digital signal process is going to have as much influence as the practice of simply paying attention. It ain't like it's actual SONAR... it's just the audio spectrum. best regards, mike
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 07:07:14
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 07:21:40
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"It's not the tools it's the carpenter.",,,,,,well giving a carpenter a blunt chisel isn't going to get him far is it
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 07:23:59
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Well, you know what they say?
"If you can't sharpen a chisel you are hardly a carpenter."
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 07:26:08
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 07:27:46
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sorry Mike but handing someone the antress plug-ins and expecting them to come away with something sounding good is pushing it a wee bit too far, PC modules are quality
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 08:04:22
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Let Mike have his fun. I like a pro-sonar post as much as anyone. But I have to admit, Mike's take is always nice to read. With that said, I too must be getting better at mixing. Seemed to happen around the time X1/ProCH came out. Obviously a coincidence.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 09:02:13
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"let Mike have his fun"? That is disturbing. I see no fun in spreading misinformation and constant bashing. All I see is a very bitter person. One in which even CW has had to comment on his posting misinformation.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 09:14:08
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If nothing else, Mike is a "classic".  Personally, I would not want to do without PC at this stage. I've become fairly dependent on them as the first (and often only) chisels I need to use. Their edges vary slightly, but they're all fairly sharp. Besides, if a chisel is dull would a carpenter sharpen it or simply get a new one? Hmmm... PS: If the signal processing doesn't matter, then the DAW world never needed UAD, Fab Filter, Waves, etc, and could have stuck with included plugins all along... right?
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 09:31:05
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"carpenter sharpen it or simply get a new one? Hmmm...",,,,, I think we are needing to take this one to Jesus, he'll know
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 09:47:57
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I think the PC plugins are very high quality. I think that if they stood alone (such as CA2A) they would be of equal quality. I would like it if all of them could be stand alone but this is not something that keeps me up at night. To me their quality has nothing to do with the PC. As for the PC I think it was, and is, a wonderful design, it really matches how I want a DAW, particularly the CV, to work. Others may feel differently of course. All of the floating windows in pre X-series Sonar drove me up the wall, others had no problem with them.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 11:39:38
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me too.....PC plug ins are really easy to use and sound great.
Most of the pre-sets require very little tweaking and they all play well with each other in the mix. Especially as most of them carve out the space in the mix very well for any instrument. I actually have then all in track templates, so things are very easy and quick now to get something more than decent sounding almost immediately.
I find myself more and more not using very many of the other plugs i have and only using the stuff baked into cake more and more. I know pre-sets are looked down upon, but I care not, if it works and sounds great, then why spend time trying to re-invent something that already exists.
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Re: ProChannel and it's unique sound
2013/06/20 12:24:38
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I've not used the PC presets in X2, I must get round to giving them a look. I've often learnt a lot by looking at well designed presets.
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Re: edited out
2013/06/20 16:06:05
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Just in case there are more presets in the ProChannel Preset Zone.
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Re: edited out
2013/06/20 16:32:10
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i have downloaded and installed all the PC presets from cakes pc presets download page.
ive actually created a few presets and sent them in to the preset zone.
but never had them posted.
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Re: edited out
2013/06/20 16:37:44
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Yeah they are just great sounding plugs, and recently coded, unlike a lot of older waves plugs, etc.
Cakewalk simply did a great job.
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2013/06/20 20:55:44
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Re: edited out
2013/06/21 17:05:37
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The thing I'd like to see ProChannel do is to merge itself int the track, and for the track to widen itself to that width. Then, merge the FX bin into the PC, and show thumbnails of each of my 3rd-part plugins. They don't have to be functional, but it the thumbnails were, that would be even cooler. Then, we could have miniaturized versions of 3rd-party plugins.
On the flip side, I think (suspect, more likely) that the effects in the ProChannel are not totally transparent, including the EQ. I don't like that thought, but I get the feeling that could be the case. Is the PC EQ true-bypass when it sits at its default settings? AFIK, nobody has corroborated or denied that. Obviously one could disable it via the blue button in it's upper corner, but what about when it's enabled, but not set to boost or cut anything?
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Re: edited out
2013/06/21 17:48:39
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All of the PC modules are well documented Brian and those questions are answered.
The EQ in particular has different settings to add color or not.
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