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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 02:49:45
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chuckebaby me neither and i feel like the op just ditched this thread.mudgel i know your frustrated but you asked for some help and i loaded up my x1 did some test for you and i get return post saying-"does anybody actually read posts". to me thats like whacking a gift hourse in the face. Man there you go getting all personal again. Have a look at where I am posting from and you'll realise that I'm 17 hours out of sync with you in Boston. i gotta sleep sometime. I haven't ditched the thread but I am ditching X1. Nor have I whacked you in the face. X1 just doesn't pay the bills sitting here hour after hour in my spare time trying to flog what to me has become a dead horse. General As far as Noel goes saying that if we don't report they don't know. Perhaps that's true but that also means that there is no real beta program if they rely on us catching such major bugs in the 3rd update of their flagship software. man I only found the problem yesterday, how could I have reported it in time for a fix in X1B. excuses that's all. Cakewalk ought to get a real beta testing program that can catch all these problems. Not put it onto the paying cutomers. This is no hobby muck around for me and I invest a lot of time, energy and yes, money into, my work and I want to be able to rely on the software I choose. i've been a loyal Cakewalk customer having supported this forum, the users and company with my time, help and my money and don't expect this kind of result for my effort.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 03:03:48
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This is the thread where I originally got the notion I needed to check ProChannel. Thread
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 03:37:08
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I'm sorry to hear that you're having so much trouble with X1, Mike. IIRC, X1a was essentially unusable for you. I value the contributions you have made to this forum and would hate to see you ditch CW completely, though I can certainly understand why you could feel that way.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 08:58:13
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I have a problem that involves the automation of ProChannel’s EQ On/Off button (Enable). When I bounce to track or export to audio the EQ remains off. And when I playback the original track after bouncing or exporting, the automation is disabled until I move the envelope around. Mudgel: I agree with you about reporting problems. I don’t think Noel meant it that way, but it comes across as if it were our responsibility to figure out the bugs. I just finished putting together a new x64 system for my studio, and I'm still hesitant to use X1. Serge
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 09:35:38
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mudgel This is the thread where I originally got the notion I needed to check ProChannel. Thread That memory thing was what I was kind of wondering about..as it was I set about trying Prochannel the way you posted originally on at least 6 different projects and only had the dang thing 'forget' the settings 2X....and I have NO idea why only those 2X....
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 10:51:36
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I would encourage no one to submit bug reports. We're not paid to do so. Sonar is a for-profit product. It is to their benefit, as a company, to shift workload to those who would perform services for free. My time is money. My time is my own and not available to Cakewalk for free. Cakewalk needs to take on the responsibility to cull bug reports from conversations held in these forums, and for heaven's sake - to test their products in a more fullsome manner prior to release. They need to stop placing onus for bug reporting on their unpaid customers. It's unprofessional and annoying. They built the product. They need to test what they built. No excuses. Full stop. With this X1 debacle, I'll tell you one thing ... when the next paid update comes out, I will wait until a stable release presents itself. Until then, no money. KEv
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 11:01:13
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John Doesn't that make us look really dumb?
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 11:05:33
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I go back and forth about it. I just submitted a bug report and it took me less that 3 minutes. Within 15 minutes I got a reply confirming that the bug exists and they are working on it. Serge
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 11:23:59
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Are you speaking of the bug that some folks, that read Noel's post describing the fact that Cakewalk knows the bug exists, don't seem to think exists? That bug?
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 15:00:17
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 16:14:43
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Thanks for the info. I didn't know about that bug. best regards, mike
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 16:39:33
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burkek I would encourage no one to submit bug reports. We're not paid to do so. Sonar is a for-profit product. It is to their benefit, as a company, to shift workload to those who would perform services for free. My time is money. My time is my own and not available to Cakewalk for free. Cakewalk needs to take on the responsibility to cull bug reports from conversations held in these forums, and for heaven's sake - to test their products in a more fullsome manner prior to release. They need to stop placing onus for bug reporting on their unpaid customers. It's unprofessional and annoying. They built the product. They need to test what they built. No excuses. Full stop. With this X1 debacle, I'll tell you one thing ... when the next paid update comes out, I will wait until a stable release presents itself. Until then, no money. KEv You are joking right? What if a user finds a bug that is because he is using Sonar in a way that CW never thought about? How does CW test ever combination of PC hardware and software under every circumstance? How can CW test every plugin with every PC hardware? No company can do the above and no company as small as CW can. What you ask of CW is an impossibility but could be done somewhat if you are willing to pay for it. What about your fellow users? You find a bug and say nothing about it to CW so they can fix it? How thoughtful. I am so glad most feel an obligation to report bugs. BTW no ones time is that valuable. The fact you have the time to write such nonsense is proof of that.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 18:25:14
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John no ones time is that valuable. The fact you have the time to write such nonsense is proof of that. No, you do not have adequate info to serve as proof of your statement. Which, technically speaking, makes your outburst nonsensical.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 18:27:15
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mike_mccue John no ones time is that valuable. The fact you have the time to write such nonsense is proof of that. No, you do not have adequate info to serve as proof of your statement. Which, technically speaking, makes your outburst nonsensical. Actually he's got a good point.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 18:32:21
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spanky mike_mccue John no ones time is that valuable. The fact you have the time to write such nonsense is proof of that. No, you do not have adequate info to serve as proof of your statement. Which, technically speaking, makes your outburst nonsensical. Actually he's got a good point. Are we going to start talking about Taylors Scientific Method of Time Management now?
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 18:34:12
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It makes sense to me. If someone comes here talking about how precious their time is and how it's being wasted yet they waste countless hours on a forum...that just doesn't add up. His point makes perfect sense to me.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 18:49:20
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spanky countless hours Well, gee whiz spanky. The statement that makes sense to you and that you are agreeing with is a criticism of a poster with 947 posts in the past 8 years. I'll betcha the hours can actually be counted. Of course you may not be able to imagine the day rate or hourly wage some of us make in audio production... or elsewhere. I doubt anyone who can imagine it is going to waste the time to justify anything to guys that present critical opinions based on erroneous assumptions.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 19:20:36
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burkek I would encourage no one to submit bug reports. We're not paid to do so. Sonar is a for-profit product. It is to their benefit, as a company, to shift workload to those who would perform services for free. KEv -1000 I'm one of those that had major problems with X1 (still testing X1b) but this is one of the most ridicoulous statments I've heard. you paid for the product, do you want it to work or not??? If so, and you notice a bug AND YOU WANT IT FIXED, then submit a bug report. Sure it would be great if they caught every bug, and YES they need a larger (read public) beta. But even if they did all that there will still be bugs that get through. Those bugs will get fixed when users find them and report them. Failure to do so will result in them not getting fixed. It's like you notice a problem with the engine on your new car but don't want to take it in to get looked at because there shouldn't have been a problem in the first place. Well that's your choice, but when your car stays broken it's your own fault.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 19:25:39
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"It's like you notice a problem with the engine on your new car but don't want to take it in to get looked at because there shouldn't have been a problem in the first place. Well that's your choice, but when your car stays broken it's your own fault." In this specific case we are only "renting" the software... and it is only supported by the manufacturer for a year or maybe a bit less. How much time will you spend servicing a rental car?
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 20:03:13
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mike_mccue "It's like you notice a problem with the engine on your new car but don't want to take it in to get looked at because there shouldn't have been a problem in the first place. Well that's your choice, but when your car stays broken it's your own fault." In this specific case we are only "renting" the software... and it is only supported by the manufacturer for a year or maybe a bit less. How much time will you spend servicing a rental car? As much as needed to make sure it would do what I needed while I used it. So for example, you drive it home, it starts raining and you realize the wind shield wipers don't work. you can either sit and grumble, or take it back to the rental place and make sure it gets fixed.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 20:20:51
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Yes, except it is highly unlikely that that scenario will ever happen and that is because with that scenario you also have the option to drive it into a light pole and then call you lawyer. So the rental car companies, by and large, exercise due diligence. Software vending corporations seem willing to operate as if they are immune from responsibility. Why is that?
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 20:33:14
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burkek I would encourage no one to submit bug reports. We're not paid to do so. Sonar is a for-profit product. It is to their benefit, as a company, to shift workload to those who would perform services for free. My time is money. My time is my own and not available to Cakewalk for free. Cakewalk needs to take on the responsibility to cull bug reports from conversations held in these forums, and for heaven's sake - to test their products in a more fullsome manner prior to release. They need to stop placing onus for bug reporting on their unpaid customers. It's unprofessional and annoying. They built the product. They need to test what they built. No excuses. Full stop. With this X1 debacle, I'll tell you one thing ... when the next paid update comes out, I will wait until a stable release presents itself. Until then, no money. KEv That's clever-cut off our noses to spite whatever? Come on-We all know their were and are issues. I for one will continue to try and help make it better, not sit and watch because I am pissed. Just MHO of course
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 20:34:09
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mike_mccue spanky countless hours Well, gee whiz spanky. The statement you are that makes sense to you and that you are agreeing with is a criticism of a poster with 947 posts in the past 8 years. I'll betcha the hours can actually be counted. Of course you may not be able to imagine the day rate or hourly wage some of us make in audio production... or elsewhere. I doubt anyone who can imagine it is going to waste the time to justify anything to guys that present critical opinions based on erroneous assumptions. You can't see the forest for the trees. And why do you always have to have the last word? Why do you always have to win? It's ok to concede once in awhile. Try it sometime, you might find it refreshing.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 20:44:59
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Thanks Frank!!! I'm counting on you! very best regards, mike
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 20:48:03
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mike_mccue John no ones time is that valuable. The fact you have the time to write such nonsense is proof of that. No, you do not have adequate info to serve as proof of your statement. Which, technically speaking, makes your outburst nonsensical. His statement makes sense to me. Of course, if you want you can tear down any sentence and make it nonsensical. But why? Shall we build diagrams of verbs, adverbs, pronouns, etc? Shall we check tense and is it a or an before a noun? John had a point. You can read into it anything you like. It made sense to most of us. It made sense to me. Come on Mike-lighten up-Your defending a statement about folks , fellow musicians and how they shouldn't help each other, just to punish CW. Wow
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 20:48:47
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mike_mccue Thanks Frank!!! I'm counting on you! very best regards, mike Gotta love it Mike :-)
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 22:17:01
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Sorry if my grammar was not the best. I thought I made a valid point just the same. No one has to agree with it but its the way I see it. As to the poster my post was about and how often he has posted it could be seen as one reason we still have so many bugs. Not enough posts. Together we can have a big impact on the direction CW takes. We have seen this in the past. MIDI tools in Sonar7 or 8 for example. Or we can ring our hands and be upset or we can give valuable feedback that the CW people can use to make the product better. One reason I don't find Mike's posts all that bad. The one thing I found repugnant in the Burkek post was the admonishment to not participate in any form to help us all get a better DAW. I am not too sure why one would object to that point when one is on here all the time with criticism of X1 as Mike is. It seems contradictory to me. Or is it just simple bitterness?
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 22:35:14
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John Sorry if my grammar was not the best. I thought I made a valid point just the same. No one has to agree with it but its the way I see it. As to the poster my post was about and how often he has posted it could be seen as one reason we still have so many bugs. Not enough posts. Together we can have a big impact on the direction CW takes. We have seen this in the past. MIDI tools in Sonar7 or 8 for example. Or we can ring our hands and be upset or we can give valuable feedback that the CW people can use to make the product better. One reason I don't find Mike's posts all that bad. The one thing I found repugnant in the Burkek post was the admonishment to not participate in any form to help us all get a better DAW. I am not too sure why one would object to that point when one is on here all the time with criticism of X1 as Mike is. It seems contradictory to me. Or is it just simple bitterness? John Not sure if you are referring to me about the grammar? If so, what I meant was, no matter how well a statement is structured one can always find a way to break it down, twist, etc so that the real point is blurred so the responders rebuttal fits. Hope that make sense?. I was agreeing with you, not putting down your grammar-it was and is correct. Oh well I tried.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 22:46:16
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"Sorry if my grammar was not the best. I thought I made a valid point just the same. No one has to agree with it but its the way I see it. As to the poster my post was about and how often he has posted it could be seen as one reason we still have so many bugs. Not enough posts. Together we can have a big impact on the direction CW takes. We have seen this in the past. MIDI tools in Sonar7 or 8 for example. Or we can ring our hands and be upset or we can give valuable feedback that the CW people can use to make the product better. One reason I don't find Mike's posts all that bad. The one thing I found repugnant in the Burkek post was the admonishment to not participate in any form to help us all get a better DAW. I am not too sure why one would object to that point when one is on here all the time with criticism of X1 as Mike is. It seems contradictory to me. Or is it just simple bitterness? " I've noticed you have taken on a new habit. Are we going to proceed by addressing each other indirectly in the third person? It seems trollish. I'll give it a try... but I have to admit I find it sort of creepy. John might make a more compelling argument if he pointed out that if I no longer intend to make a hobby of bug hunting I'll end up depending on John to spot bugs. I guess if I thought about that too deeply I might find the idea terrifying. Lucky for me I don't spend my valuable time worrying about what John thinks. yeah that felt creepy... I think in the future I'm going to go back to addressing John directly.
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Re:ProChannel broken as far as I can tell
2011/03/25 22:56:26
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Frank I was kind of responding to you but not about that. That was aimed at Mike. I was more or less underlining what you had said and not aiming it at anyone so much as relating my thoughts. I clearly regard your posts here as in support of my post. Sorry if there was confusion caused my poor grammar. LOL Mike what I wrote were thoughts only that included you. It was not addressed to you so much as just thoughts. Thinking out loud if you will. Make of it what you will. I will still consider you a friend even if what I think is scary to you.
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