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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 13:35:29
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Ditto Chainer (Xlutop) - most stable VST host ever...it could handle anything you threw at it (VST 2.x anyway), even things developed way after Chainer development ended.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 16:02:23
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@anderton: you are right channel tools is more than capable, for sure. I would like to see that kind of control readily accessible as protools has it, above the fader, or available as a PC plugin which can be added across all tracks therefore immediately viewable in each mixer channel or inspector without having to open up individual individual plugins as you would with channel tools. @Kperry, thanks for the info! http://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_MB7Mixer/and http://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_PatchWork/look to be super useful.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 17:30:41
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CakeAlexS
$329 for the softtube mix bundle. A trifle expensive I would say.
What qualifies as a truffle expensive then?
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 17:40:18
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@anderton: you are right channel tools is more than capable, for sure. I would like to see that kind of control readily accessible as protools has it, above the fader, or available as a PC plugin which can be added across all tracks therefore immediately viewable in each mixer channel or inspector without having to open up individual individual plugins as you would with channel tools.
You mean like this? Here's how to do it.  1. Create an FX chain based on Channel Tools. Assign one knob to left angle, and one knob to right angle. (I also added a phase invert switch so it would be accessible from the ProChannel). 2. Call up your normal template and insert the new FX chain into each track's ProChannel. 3. Save the template. Now when you start up with the Normal template, your tracks will include this ProChannel module. If you need to add more tracks, just clone a track (without events) and the new track's ProChannel will include the "Channel Control" FX chain. And don't forget you still have four knobs and five switches available if you want to include the Swap Channels option, set up the delays for each channel, change the input mode to mid/side, or whatever.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 17:41:30
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I've read a few comments since the PC was introduced along the lines of "I have no interest in the ProChannel and never use it," which I've never fully understood since about the only advantage I can think of for using FX bins over the PC is that you don't have to click on the console to open it and it doesn't take up any more horizontal room, however for me this is more than offset by the fact that the PC allows you to see the whole effects chain instead of the 3 or 4 plugins you can see in the minuscule FX bin. I mean the PC FX chains have way more effects visible, and you can have as many as you like. On the few times I've experimented with the FX bin, I couldn't believe how fiddly and cramped it felt. Oh and the Quadcurve EQ is reason alone to use it (although I wish you could have more than one instance).
The ProChannel definitely needs a Channel Tools like effect built in as a module though. I definitely miss the stereo panning knobs in Pro Tools and have never felt fully comfortable with horizontal sliders (although the L/R width controls are very useful).
The PC also needs a built in delay.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 17:43:48
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@anderton: you are right channel tools is more than capable, for sure. I would like to see that kind of control readily accessible as protools has it, above the fader, or available as a PC plugin which can be added across all tracks therefore immediately viewable in each mixer channel or inspector without having to open up individual individual plugins as you would with channel tools.
You mean like this? Here's how to do it.
1. Create an FX chain based on Channel Tools. Assign one knob to left angle, and one knob to right angle. (I also added a phase invert switch so it would be accessible from the ProChannel).
2. Call up your normal template and insert the new FX chain into each track's ProChannel.
3. Save the template.
Now when you start up with the Normal template, your tracks will include this ProChannel module. If you need to add more tracks, just clone a track (without events) and the new track's ProChannel will include the "Channel Control" FX chain.
And don't forget you still have four knobs and five switches available if you want to include the Swap Channels option, set up the delays for each channel, change the input mode to mid/side, or whatever.
Excellent idea, I'm going to rustle me up one of these!
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 17:49:17
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You can add delay with the leftover knobs. The only bummer is if you try to insert one of these in every module using QuickGroup, it will insert a generic FX chain in each PC so you still have to load the specific chain yourself. Ditto if you make the collection of modules your PC default. That's why I suggest making them part of the template.
Give me a few minutes and I'll whip one up for y'all.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 18:06:45
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All right...here you go. It was time for a gift to the forum anyway.   - The top switch sets Delay mode - dim for pre, lit for post.
- The next row of switches invert the left channel polarity, swap the left/right channels, and invert the right channel polarity.
- The top two knobs handle delay.
- The bottom two knobs handle panning for the left and right channels.
Here's the download link (good for 7 days). Enjoy!
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 18:18:51
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 18:22:48
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rebel007
Nice Craig!!!!
Download it while you can...! I have a bunch of effects chains that I use all the time, I should do something with them.
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perfectprint
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 20:04:54
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perfect solution, thanks! for whatever reason my practice this far has been to use FX chains solely in the fx bin, not the PC. great example of sonars flexibility.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 20:21:00
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Thank you Craig! You are a never ending source of great ideas!
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 20:34:41
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rebel007
Nice Craig!!!!
Download it while you can...!
I have a bunch of effects chains that I use all the time, I should do something with them.
Pretty please with extra shine brass spheres. There used to be/is a download area that has some pro channel pre-sets is there one for FX Chains? Perhaps in one of those imaginary idle moments you wish you had you could get them to set one up  PS Thanks for this one, Channel tools is my go to toy for sound staging.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 20:36:26
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CakeAlexS
$329 for the softtube mix bundle. A trifle expensive I would say.
bapu
What qualifies as a truffle expensive then?
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/26 21:46:11
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CakeAlexS
CakeAlexS
$329 for the softtube mix bundle. A trifle expensive I would say.
bapu
What qualifies as a truffle expensive then?
Custard...
Here's a page on Truffle Pricing. For that price, they won't be an ingredient in my trifle!
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 00:19:05
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Wookiee
Anderton
I have a bunch of effects chains that I use all the time, I should do something with them.
Pretty please with extra shine brass spheres. There used to be/is a download area that has some pro channel pre-sets is there one for FX Chains? Perhaps in one of those imaginary idle moments you wish you had you could get them to set one up
Unfortunately it's not quite that simple...unlike the Channel Control some of them are quite complex and while I can use them, I don't think they're ready for prime time. It's sort of like the difference between having a circuit on a breadboard and putting it in a case with knobs. Also, several of them use Gibson and my own intellectual property based on design work that I've done for the company, so I couldn't just let those particular ones out into the world. For example I did three FX Chains for humbucker-to-single-coil timbre conversion (bridge, neck, and bridge+neck pickups). That way I didn't have to do any rewiring to a Les Paul Traditional I also did a Les Paul neck pickup tone control emulation, but used the FX Chain to do "virtual tone control capacitor" changes. Different cap sounds with no soldering - I thought that was pretty cool. If I could put in a month of concentrated effort I could probably whip them into shape and figure out how to deal with the IP, but it's hard to justify that from an economic standpoint. Still, I think Sonar users would find them very helpful...let me see what I can do.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 04:45:10
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Very generous, thanks Craig.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 05:52:23
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Thanks indeed Craig.
I just wanted to clarify/highlight (it is stated above) that the Delay Mode button is not an on/off switch (as the Channel Tool has 3 modes).
Greyed = Pre Delay
Backlit = Post Delay
So obviously:
OFF = Delay knobs turned hard left
I see the that the Delay Mode (Type) button is set to:
Start = 50%
End = 100%
So obviously:
OFF = 0% - which is outside the range of this button.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 10:34:48
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Anderton
Wookiee
Anderton
I have a bunch of effects chains that I use all the time, I should do something with them.
Pretty please with extra shine brass spheres. There used to be/is a download area that has some pro channel pre-sets is there one for FX Chains? Perhaps in one of those imaginary idle moments you wish you had you could get them to set one up
Unfortunately it's not quite that simple...unlike the Channel Control some of them are quite complex and while I can use them, I don't think they're ready for prime time. It's sort of like the difference between having a circuit on a breadboard and putting it in a case with knobs.
Also, several of them use Gibson and my own intellectual property based on design work that I've done for the company, so I couldn't just let those particular ones out into the world. For example I did three FX Chains for humbucker-to-single-coil timbre conversion (bridge, neck, and bridge+neck pickups). That way I didn't have to do any rewiring to a Les Paul Traditional I also did a Les Paul neck pickup tone control emulation, but used the FX Chain to do "virtual tone control capacitor" changes. Different cap sounds with no soldering - I thought that was pretty cool.
If I could put in a month of concentrated effort I could probably whip them into shape and figure out how to deal with the IP, but it's hard to justify that from an economic standpoint. Still, I think Sonar users would find them very helpful...let me see what I can do.
I understand completely one has to ask even if you then tease with your FX chains you have made Thanks for channel control fxc, nice, I have made another version using the middle knobs, that were unused, to add control of mid gain and side gain.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 11:30:27
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Anderton
rebel007
Nice Craig!!!!
Download it while you can...!
I have a bunch of effects chains that I use all the time, I should do something with them.
Yeah, you don't have to tell me twice. Thanks!
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 12:09:53
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mudgel
Very generous, thanks Craig.
Just returning the favor. The forumites are a pretty generous bunch.
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Keni
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 15:42:54
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Anderton
One of my favorite ProChannel features is using Quick Grouping in the Console view to open up all of them at once..makes it easy to verify console emulations status, for example.
Very true... I don't believe I've ever properly thanked you for pointing this out in one of your vids... Thanks... Tho I have a hard time remembering the key configs for everything! ;-) I use this often to setup new tracks brought to me for mixing and need to assign so many with common attributes/decisions... One thing that seems to work inconsistently is using group while assigning an intended common HPF freq on the quad curve... I rarely use any other track eq these days... The options and variations within the quad curve as well as the fabulous spectrum display are a joy! Both the pc76 and the ca-2a compressors are so good that my needs are typically done... Reverb? The Breverb isn't bad... It has lots of depth and character woot clouding things too much... The Console Emulation combined with the Quad-EQ's manufacturer selection is outstanding...! Tape Emulator is quite good for many things... I often use it for guitars... Do you really need more than this to get good results? I don't... Yes, I'm still using the Sonitus DDL and Modulator, but little else... Regardless of which platform/format, these are great tools... Keni
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 15:48:24
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ShellstaX
I look forward to any new full PC implementations.
But ... something lost on me initially ... (maybe obvious to many(?)) ...
Do people recognise/use the FX Chain Module? It effectively wraps an FX Bin into the PC strip so you can still launch/use all your non-PC FX from there. You can even simply drag-drop FX from your Browser onto the PC strip and it'll create a FX Chain Module wrapper. It also provides for 6 control knobs and 6 buttons (as assignable) for tweaks directly from the PC strip (many of which are preconfigured for the 'included' FX).
FX Chain Module doccy.
I've been using the FX Chain module in many places... It was graciously designed by Cakewalk when we were all needing the option to insert vst's within the PC chain itself... Of course they took us one better and allowed the insertion of fx chains wherever we want instead of simply a single vst... Now if we could get the ability to save/retrieve settings for individual PC modules.... And a visible pre/post status on the PC itself! ;-) Keni
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 15:53:38
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Anyone else ever run into a need for splits in between fx? I have sometime found myself needing to send a version with only part of the fx chain involved... Say to keep a delay out of the send... I have always found work arounds, but it would be nice to be able to insert a send from any point in a channel's chain...
Keni
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 17:58:24
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Keni
Anyone else ever run into a need for splits in between fx? I have sometime found myself needing to send a version with only part of the fx chain involved... Say to keep a delay out of the send... I have always found work arounds, but it would be nice to be able to insert a send from any point in a channel's chain... Would it be worth it to set up a second FX Chain with just the plug-ins you want to send? I was in a band that played a gig in a park in Willits several years ago.
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 18:42:11
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Ruben
Keni
Anyone else ever run into a need for splits in between fx? I have sometime found myself needing to send a version with only part of the fx chain involved... Say to keep a delay out of the send... I have always found work arounds, but it would be nice to be able to insert a send from any point in a channel's chain...
Would it be worth it to set up a second FX Chain with just the plug-ins you want to send?
I was in a band that played a gig in a park in Willits several years ago.
Thanks Ruben... There have been times when I did that... As well as other schemes... I'm just thinking analog from back in the day when I could shove a device's output into a mult on a patchbay and send the signal from that point in multiple directions... Maybe that's what is needed? A mult module! Keni
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 18:59:41
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Anderton
All right...here you go. It was time for a gift to the forum anyway.
- The top switch sets Delay mode - dim for pre, lit for post.
- The next row of switches invert the left channel polarity, swap the left/right channels, and invert the right channel polarity.
- The top two knobs handle delay.
- The bottom two knobs handle panning for the left and right channels.
Here's the download link (good for 7 days). Enjoy!
Thanks Craig... I hadn't thought of doing that... I'm sure this will be very handy! Keni
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 19:06:53
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Ruben
Keni
I was in a band that played a gig in a park in Willits several years ago.
Hi Ruben...
I almost forgot to reply to this part of your post...
We do have many concerts in the park here bordering on the edge of weather changes... I used to perform as well as supply FOH for many of them... Not lately though...
What did you think of our little town? ;-)
Keni
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Re: Prochannel development ... still happening?
2014/07/27 20:08:56
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Keni, I liked it... I was only there for a few hours during the concert but I'd enjoy re-visiting and seeing more of the town. I liked the area and that it's not too far from the ocean. IIRC, it's also where Seabiscuit is buried.
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