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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 09:13:56
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That's exactly what I've been thinking about. I think it's pro for me. The new vocalsync would have to be an amazing product.
All the plugins that i get every year but no changes in them or the instruments.
How many more versions of dim pro do I really want. I mean if all the plugins, Fx and instruments have real value then why am I buying them every year. It seems the only person who gets any value is the first time buyer.
Once we get piecemeal releases during the year then come 12 months when I pay my next annual fee am I going to get all the same plugins over and over. I mean really, they either have value or not. I can't see the value when I've got more versions of those plugins than I can poke a stick at.
Also with respect to add ons from 3Rd party companies, we got TH 2 Producer, I upgraded to the full version, now a couple of years later guess what TH2 full version is included. Shortly after getting Addictive drums 1 we were encouraged to upgrade to Addictive Drums 2 and now we get it free with he next Sonar release.
I'm seeing less and less value every year for what will soon be increasing costs.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 09:15:12
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Yeah, here's a list of the things that are variable between the 3 packages, ie removed all the stuff that you get with all three packages. https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10906025_10152568529706034_3100468373639476139_n.jpg?oh=6d4cfdb6d9df86a25b6ace1c401dc9a5&oe=55390A59 So much in Plat. is from X3 Pro, and it being a great deal hinges in whether AD2 3 kits are of value. I don't know what most users couldn't achieve with Vocal Sync, with other utilities, Audiosnap melodyne, except of course it does look more intuitive. I wonder how many extra Platinum functions there will be in 6 months time, with just one in the pipeline that we know of. From experience I'd also predict that with a chunk of users on the fence in 6 months time, having not upgraded from x3, that Cakewalk would chuck out an offer to entice us in.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 09:21:16
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2015/01/14 09:27:24
Something to consider is what's being released is only the starting point. Most likely drum replacement and other upcoming features may be only Platinum exclusives. So keep that in mind when making a decision. Not trying to sway you one way or the other but there is a lot more coming over the new 12 months. Think of it as the equivalent of a full new release like X5 is still to come as part of your membership. So if you pick professional you will get the features planned only for that product. There is definitely high value in the platinum membership - not just dupes of what you own.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 09:52:13
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Interesting question... I really value the improvements to the core/program engine of Sonar and find that improvements to workflow / program features and pro channel. If there also was a version of Sonar (Sonar Core) that would be great with the option of purchasing some of the exlusive content seperatley would be wonderful... The additional vsts (though nice) are really unrequired benefit. Does the "professional" still give you all the dithering options?
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 10:07:34
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This is why I'm inclined to hold off for 6 months Noel. because I would rather get Platinum, I'd rather have all the options. If I do it then, I get all the features from now until then. But if after 6 months you just added Drum Replacer to the Platinum option, I'll struggle to find a reason to go with it. In that time you might introduce a feature that swings me upgrading, something that directly effects my music production. In that case maybe I can re-evaluate Platinum, maybe some other factors will make me go what the heck and just go the full hog. I like everything that has been introduced, it's just none are must haves at the moment. I've seen lots of comments about how much it is a year. Before if you bought on every release it was yearly, even if you were late buying, and went for 6 months after release, it still averaged out as yearly. Now you can purchase every 18 months, and gain everything, and put up with showing some patience over new features that come out in the 6 month gap.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 10:37:15
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mike_mccue .... I would rather pay for improvements in a tool that can be used by drummer that doesn't need drum replacement. ...
Lots of modern styles integrate triggered samples in parallel with acoustic sets. It can be used for a lot more than just replacing a poor sounding performance.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/01/14 12:21:01
Hi Mike- I think the gist of your question has been answered a couple of times in the top thread (Andrew's) - see below, although there were a smattering of similar questions/answers: Not sure how clear this will be: (sorry my iPad won't let me copy the link): Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 15 hours ago (permalink) theheliosequence Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] theheliosequence Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] rtucker55 So would I be able to use the Pro-Channel FX that I currently have in X3 Pro in the new Sonar if I only had the new Professional version? What about Dimension Pro and Rapture Full and things like Breverb Sonar VST, PK-64, VX-64, TL-64, etc. ? Or will it give me a message that these plugins don't work with this version of Sonar? I don't really every use most of these, but I'm curious for anyone else who would like to know. It certainly makes the Professional version seem like a good deal/value. Also curious if the Vocal Sync is a plugin or if it's an integrated feature that is simply "grayed out" in the Professional version? If you go to Professional you won't lose any of those plugins or ProChannel modules. I'll have to check but I do believe POW-r is only in Platinum. So going to Professional is an option. VocalSync is integrated right inside SONAR. That's actually one of the cool things vs. something like Vocalign. It previews real-time and you can open it right in the track view and adjust. Check out the video. It's not greyed out in Professional because it's not there.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 12:25:22
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Mike, I have not taken a poll or anything, but I suspect drum replacement for most is more of a production technique than a compensation for poor drumming. It is the sound bring replaced and not the technique.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 12:31:48
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/01/14 12:38:42
Mike, ur being disingenuous... what's in the various packages is clearly laid out... If you're like me, you own nearly all the upgrades and prochannel modules... so maybe platinum ain't for you at this time! It's the perpetual issue... buy early, pay more, regret it later...or don't/accept it. Last year I talked a friend into Sonar and during the flurry of deals he got everything I have for well under half...maybe 10% of what I've paid over the years... BFD! I'll ugrade knowing that if I didn't have all the prochannels it would be a MUCH BETTER DEAL and don't really need another convolution reverb as I love spaces. AD2 pro pack? Well, I haven't really used AD1 but this might be nice... Energy spent on these perpetual "darn" or "shoulda coulda woulda" arguments is just flamingly stupid. Or.... obnoxious (which I know you are....as am I at times). I am an early adopter and consider any value loss of this the price I pay for early "fun" and a donation to the "bakers" collective... And... I think part of the ridiculously good deals which were available last year was a sincere attempt to improve Sonar's user base...
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 12:43:57
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If you owned X3 Producer all plugins locked to that will continue to work in SONAR Professional. So you can continue to use those in Professional. Also From the FAQ: I bought SONAR Artist, can I jump up to Professional or Platinum?Sure! If you’ve already begun Monthly payments, you may start a new year of monthly payments for Professional or Platinum at the higher monthly price. If you pay up-front or complete 12+ months of monthly payments, you may purchase a Crossgrade. In the FAQ: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Membership
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 12:45:10
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mudgel
Also with respect to add ons from 3Rd party companies, we got TH 2 Producer, I upgraded to the full version, now a couple of years later guess what TH2 full version is included. Shortly after getting Addictive drums 1 we were encouraged to upgrade to Addictive Drums 2 and now we get it free with he next Sonar release.
I am pretty sure that TH2 is only the "TH2 Producer" version (not full), and that the AD2 Bundle is not the "upgrade"... it only includes the "AD2 engine," similar to the AD2 "gripe threads" recently. But I am also debating a lot here as well, since each update I get issued new serials for DP, etc. The question of what will be introduced to "Platinum Members only" in the next year is what is unknown. As the Platinum upgrade is what I was anticipating, the first year may become more an evaluation of "what I got" when the 12-month point hits.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 13:22:28
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 13:42:54
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Just looked again at the comparisons between the versions. I have always gone Producer ( have X3 Producer ). It seems to me that this time around PROFESSIONAL is all I need. Most of the Suites of extras and plugins I already have in X3 & installed. Im wondering will even artist do? WHY - because all the suite stuff never seems to be updated or added to over the X series. Looks the same for the new version too. Nothing really changed. I do not need more versions of the same plugins. As was mentioned elsewhere a CORE version would be an idea. I thing ARTIST could be the closest to that. Also most of my work is with external plugins and Kontakt / NI stuff. Anybody else with the same thought process? Why should I get Platinum? I notice under Instruments it has: - Z3TA+ Classic - Lounge Lizard SONAR - Strum Acoustic SONAR - TruePianos Amber I already have these or better with X3 PLUS I own Z3TA+ 2 .. OH and I already have a zillion versions of Rapture and Dimension Pro :D I think it will take some thing special to go for Platinum ..
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 13:59:15
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I remember ages ago getting shouted down by fan boi's with regard to re-buying multiple's of the same plugins time and time again... is it 3-4 dim pro's I have ? is it another 3-4 raptures? worst of it.. give US the right to re-gift them to our friends.. if we want!! or even a charity.. it's really a BIG waste. I do the same with humble bundle collection of games , with steam games I have.. obviously the person I gift them to can't re-gift them / transfer them. I do feel sadly that I am paying for bug fixes vs the other things I use , who will / do release a final thorough delayed last patch.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 16:24:13
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...is it 3-4 dim pro's I have ? is it another 3-4 raptures? worst of it.. give US the right to re-gift them to our friends.. if we want!! or even a charity.. it's really a BIG waste.
I agree. Already I have upgraded to AD2, TH2, zeta, etc.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 16:33:49
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/01/14 16:34:33
dubdisciple Mike, I have not taken a poll or anything, but I suspect drum replacement for most is more of a production technique than a compensation for poor drumming. It is the sound bring replaced and not the technique.
Yup. Quantumeffect had given me some excellent drum tracks (played live) but a s a producer of the track I found that occasionally his kick or snare are not "right" for the overall vibe I wanted. Drum replacement was simply faster than spending mucho time to polish his kit piece tone. Disclaimer, overal I like Dave's kit and his playing has never been bad. Just as dub said it was prod tech for tone, not performance.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 17:51:53
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For me it's not even an issue of speed. I sometimes just simply want a different sound or I want to reinforce a sound. Layering a kick with an 808 kick is pretty common across multiple genres.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 18:36:21
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aidanodr As was mentioned elsewhere a CORE version would be an idea. I thing ARTIST could be the closest to that.
In a lot of ways Artist is like "SONAR Core", it has the basic FX to get you started and the same 64-bit mix engine. The big things that Artist does not have in regards to the 'core' SONAR that Professional does is: - Surround Support
- SMTPE/MTC
- Expandable ProChannel
I would strongly encourage you to compare in the chart we have up on this page: http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/versions to help you decide which one is right for you. As Noel stated earlier, if you go from X3 Producer to Artist there are some plugins that will not work.
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 19:13:01
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Willy Jones [Cakewalk] I would strongly encourage you to compare in the chart we have up on this page: http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/versions to help you decide which one is right for you. As Noel stated earlier, if you go from X3 Producer to Artist there are some plugins that will not work.
I have James and I will again. I am measuring what I have and what I am using. As I mostly use 3rd party plugs like Native Instruments Komplete, Alchemy and numerous others I think PRO is good for me going forward. I cannot see anything huge extra in Platinum to be honest. OK More of the ProChannel in Platinum but again great IF you make use of it and is it worth the extra $100? Over my time with X2, X3 I am not using alot of Sonar. I tend to keep it simple. Once 3rd party plugs work, midi & audio works. Once I can freeze etc and export I am happy. I assume with New Platinum or Pro installed AND X3 installed it will see all those plugins that came with X3 Producer anyway? What WOULD make me jump to Platinum is if either all the plugs ( Rapture, Dimension etc ) & suites were updated to new versions / changed and then some more included. BUT TBH whats on offer we all have anyway by now. The difference between Platinum and X3 Producer is in the CORE elements?
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 21:14:07
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My concerns with not going Platinum is that there will be core functionality added going forward that will not be part of professional or artist versions so for those few as yet unknown things I will have to keep at the premium level. Grrrr
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Re: Professional vs Platinum?
2015/01/14 22:22:21
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mike_mccue It seems like you can go with a gut feeling of what you think is right for you. If you go with a lesser package and later decide, or learn, that you want to have a feature that you isn't available for your package then you can always cross grade to the higher level with a minimum of added expense. That seems like a really great system to me, but I'd like to see the cross grade pricing and figure out all the details.
If it's more than $0.00, many will complain. If it's equal to the differential, those that want it will be happy. I would imagine it might well be something between those two numbers. Makes the most cents. But assuming we're talking a month-to-month Pro to month-to-month Plat, that would just be start paying the new monthly charge. Simples. Disclaimer: I have no inside info.
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