I usually never complain , but am out of words here. Cakewalk offering me $249 as a loyal p5 customer while I can get a better deal by upgrading my Sonar6 producer to 8 which I really want at $179. It is like a slap in the face. No complaining ,but you could have done better . You were better off not offer anything at all. It feels like you want more money .....

ORIGINAL: darlomrh
Rafsan:

Why are you here?

Last I remember, this is a public forum. Do I need a retinal scan or perhaps a barcode on my forehead?

ORIGINAL: darlomrh
I get that you think Cake are bunch of rob-dogs but you haven't parted with your hard earned cash, so why should you give a... that Project 5 development has ceased.

Don't assume what I think if you don't even know who I am. What are you, some kind of telepathic mind reader? Maybe I should call you psycho-mantis from now on.

I gave a ... because I liked the innovative thinking on Cakewalk's part on this particular product. I don't hate the company, I just hate the fact that they stopped developing such a great product, which could've been unique ... like propellerheads did with Reason.

ORIGINAL: darlomrh

And why should knowledge have a monetary value put on it?

Why should Software Developers/Hardware makers release the products they have spent years in R&D etc for free? Last time I checked Cakewalk was not a registered charity.

Who said anything about opening a charity foundation? I never expected Cakewalk to open their hearts to all the unfortunate in this world and drop packaged rapture, project5, sonar bundles by airplane on behalf of United Nations.
Again...read what i clearly said. I was talking strictly about knowledge, not their product. Do you go outside and pay the Earth to gain first hand knowledge about nature or to admire God's creation? I doubt that you do. The Library comes to my mind. When you 'borrow' books to aquire knowledge, do you pay the librarian everytime you do so?

But to make my last point, there are developers who release their products for free. Buzz & Reaper come to mind? And both of their developers have gained the heart of many producers/musicians.

If Cakewalk really cared about it's customers like they claim, they wouldn't have taken over three years to tell you that they don't really care about project5 anymore. I saw pages after pages, people asking for a multicore support, that's all. They didn't even respond to most of the requests. Only some words on the sticky when they feel like coming out of the closet. But hey, who am I to talk? I don't own any of their products. I'm just a technical geek who likes to learn the ways of the music softwares in the world today.

So, next time don't assume what I think...k?

ORIGINAL: xylyx

You should see his post over on the Orion forum, kicking off about how Cakewalk rip people off and aren't loyal to their customers. Wonder why he's so upset when he isn't one of their P5 customers...it also makes you wonder whether he has bothered to buy Orion or found some way to justify getting that for free too.

Anyway, been a while since we had a troll around here, so I guess we were due another one...

I think Cakewalk is very loyal to it's customers. Let's start with the authorization process. They say, "I trust you".
One of their top questions in their surveys is "does authorization influence your purchase".

An upgrade path to the big wopper S8PE for $249 seems to be loyal. I can't upgrade to any of the competitors for that with the same bells and whistles.

Hopefully the mods will remove that troll.

ORIGINAL: Rafsan



But to make my last point, there are developers who release their products for free. Buzz & Reaper come to mind? And both of their developers have gained the heart of many producers/musicians.

If Cakewalk really cared about it's customers like they claim, they wouldn't have taken over three years to tell you that they don't really care about project5 anymore. I saw pages after pages, people asking for a multicore support, that's all. They didn't even respond to most of the requests. Only some words on the sticky when they feel like coming out of the closet. But hey, who am I to talk? I don't own any of their products. I'm just a technical geek who likes to learn the ways of the music softwares in the world today.

So, next time don't assume what I think...k?

1. Reaper is not free. Read the EULA. $250 for a commercial license. $50 for non commercial license.
2. Buzz -It's almost dead. It's not being developed any more.

Multi core support is a very only valid statement. They probably would have to redo the whole thing for that.

Try talking instead of trolling. Your stay will probably be short since you admitted to using cracks. For some your stay will never be short enough,

ORIGINAL: candlesayshi

ORIGINAL: kitekrazy

2. Buzz -It's almost dead. It's not being developed any more.

You haven't heard? The guy who created it found a copy of the source code that was from a few months prior to the last release and he's been working on Buzz 2.0 ever since.

(I know this because one of the fellow mods on the forum I moderate is a Buzz fanatic)

No I haven't. I'm a member of the yahoo group and must have missed it. Just checked the jeskola site and it appears a beta was updated at the end of last month.

Rafsan:


Don't assume what I think if you don't even know who I am. What are you, some kind of telepathic mind reader? Maybe I should call you psycho-mantis from now on.

I gave a ... because I liked the innovative thinking on Cakewalk's part on this particular product. I don't hate the company, I just hate the fact that they stopped developing such a great product, which could've been unique ... like propellerheads did with Reason.

Yes it is a public forum and we live in a free world yada yada....

My point is this: I have paid for P5 v1 and V2 and yes P5 was innovative in certain ways. You haven't parted with hard earned $$ for Project 5 so what gives you the right to spout with such vitriol cakes wrong doings.

Who said anything about opening a charity foundation? I never expected Cakewalk to open their hearts to all the unfortunate in this world and drop packaged rapture, project5, sonar bundles by airplane on behalf of United Nations.
Again...read what i clearly said. I was talking strictly about knowledge, not their product. Do you go outside and pay the Earth to gain first hand knowledge about nature or to admire God's creation? I doubt that you do. The Library comes to my mind. When you 'borrow' books to aquire knowledge, do you pay the librarian everytime you do so?

Yes but a Library operates in the sense you acknowledge the publishing laws around the item that you borrow.

You are inferring that you download the software to gain knowledge, when really you are walking into a book store and doing a bit of shoplifting and then coming back a month or so later to moan to the store's customer service department about how they do business.

Multi-core would have been the girft that kept giving. Rats. I'm not impressed with their decision. Some folks here that I respect are just fine with the loss despite their love for our little program, but I'm not that "big" about it. I hate this ending so freaking close to being the best. Again, Rats !!!!

we have been ignored by a dinosaur who can only care about it's own sustainability. it is not right and every p5 user should admit it is not right. i dream of dino burgers roasting on a open fire. :-) nice dinosaur that's a good boy a little to the left now....

ORIGINAL: rabeach

Yeah that really worked for Pro Tools. I would bet Cakewalk has a large share of the hobbyist market. Abandon them then apply for economic stimulus.

protools is not forever.. they almost went under in 94.
it is about profit margin not what has gone before.
small model...large model
market share....potential market share
the profit margin for hardware can be much greater than software.
imho microsoft is the exception for obvious reasons.



Ok.....I wonder if Cakewalk would take you advice and get rid of everything except for the V700 or whatever it is.

Pro Tools has the most powerful brand name in DAWdom. Among lay people, 'Pro Tools' is the generic term for 'recording on a computer'.

I would love to see a breakdown of sales for the various versions of the various DAWs that more or less compete with each other, by OS/platform. Would also love seeing what upgrade patterns were like. (Well. 'love' might be overstating things... but I'm interested in this stuff.)

It seems unlikely that CW would do the integrated-hardware thing only. But it's not just CW, it's also Roland, and they specialize in that.

Hardware integration offers a kind of consumer 'lock-in' that software alone can't. It produces a different customer relationship and a different business model. It can be difficult to bridge the two models.

The VS Studio line is an effort to do that. It also functions as a port, of sorts, to the Mac, especially for those already using integrated systems.

Based on what we can see from the outside, the problem CW has is that its top of the line product is software only and is showing its age. It works fine, and you can do great work on it. But as standalone software, it will increasingly drive an upgrade model, based on existing rather than new users. That isn't sustainable.

The combined business and technology environment that CW operates in has drastically changed over the 15+ years that Sonar has been in development. So have the decision-making criteria for those just starting out, whether they think of themselves as hobbyists or as low-budget pros. Existing upgraders are a different story. But not all of them will stay on the train forever.

human being did not exist in the English lexicon until Sioux, commonly known as the Lakota, Nakota and Dakota Nation language among the indigenous people of the north american continent was translated into english. peace to you and to all your relations. :-) dino burgers... lol... leave it to an enemy to label a proud human being, a member of the first nation, a dog by giving them the name sioux....i apologize for the absurd serendipitous synchronicity....pardon me Godzilla approaches...

ORIGINAL: agincourtdb

ORIGINAL: PaintedBlue

I guess that it is time to finally take off this Project5 T-Shirt and begin looking for a replacement T-Shirt.

My P5 shirt didn't really fit when I got it. Then it shrunk. I'd look like Phillip Seymour Hoffman in "Boogie Nights" if I wore it now...

Ahhh...the real reason they pulled the plug. They saw you protesting in that shirt and said DONE.

Well, that and this new avatar



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I like the casket. I had to put a new one as well. Sooner or later we all get the red ring of death.

Who is the contact for the p5 radio. I would like to send some stuff over.

ORIGINAL: VaporCom

Who is the contact for the p5 radio. I would like to send some stuff over.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1665153