Zuma

vintagevibe

Zuma I don't want to see Sonar become Abelton, or Reason, or ProTools, etc. If I want/need those programs I'll buy 'em.

I don't either.  I just want Sonar to be Sonar but with useable notation.

Yeah? Well I want world peace but guess what? Some things you gotta wait for. You have options available to you in the mean time... don't pretend you like you don't.

Why the hostility?  It would be extremely counterproductive for me to bounce around be tween more than one DAW.

vintagevibe

Zuma

vintagevibe

Zuma I don't want to see Sonar become Abelton, or Reason, or ProTools, etc. If I want/need those programs I'll buy 'em.

I don't either.  I just want Sonar to be Sonar but with useable notation.

Yeah? Well I want world peace but guess what? Some things you gotta wait for. You have options available to you in the mean time... don't pretend you like you don't.

Why the hostility?  It would be extremely counterproductive for me to bounce around be tween more than one DAW.

I wasn't being hostile nor was I feeling any hostility. Just making myself clear. My original post wasn't even a response to you... though it does tie in quite easily with what i meant to get across. When a DAW tries to be all things to all people it inevitably gets stretched too thin in certain or various areas, and you get the features and such that aren't what you'd think they should be. And I understand your frustration perfectly well. You might not want to bounce around but you might also have to accept the reality that you will have to seek out a third party app or maybe even an entirely different DAW. And if you do end up switching DAW's you inevitably find something in that one that leaves you scratching your head. There's just is no end all be all DAW and probably never will be. But there will always be avenues of choice available to us, and we owe it to our own peace of mind to seek them out versus experiencing perpetual frustration. And I also wasn't joking about getting all of them. I really was serious and speaking from own perspective. If I had the money i would at the very least own all of the big three... I think that would be a blast and make you one flexible, all-powerful SOB. But I offer my sincere  apologies if you took it that I was hating on you. I really wasn't though.... personal attacks are not to my taste.

When a DAW tries to be all things to all people it inevitably gets stretched too thin in certain or various areas, and you get the features and such that aren't what you'd think they should be.

Amen to this.

OzDoug64


So if you are working with commercial studios often what are the best options?

1/ Take in separate dry wave/aiff files for each track and let them do the arranging, or
2/ Buy the Protools platform and transfer the X1 projects over to protools so it's ready for the studio to work on.

I suppose the issue there is you have to take in the wave files less the effects, but if you take it in set up for protools they can do any adjusting easily if they have the same plugin packages.

What do you think? 
 

I think part of the issue with #2, while it seems logical, is that PT in a commercial studio is not really the same as PTLE, in terms of functionality and available plugs.     I couldn't justify paying for PTHD just to support total project compatibility with some other studio.  Plus, if somebody else really needs to be adjusting my fx, whatever I did with whatever I used is probably off in the weeds and they'll just dial up the sound they're after with whatever they normally use...

fitzj


I have read so much about pro-tools  for windows but compared to sonar pricing they charge crazy prices.
You purchase pro-tools nine but quickly you find that you need the expansion kit that give you beat Detective for stereo tracks plus you only get 1 instance without this expansion kit.
In the uk this will set you back pro-tools 9 with Vat £499.00
Extension pak £1499 - 1699 plus vat.
Pretty expensive when you count it all up compared to Sonar

Looks like Pro Tools 10 takes care of that.  Here's a bullet point:
 
" Multitrack Beat Detective and Elastic Audio let you correct timing across all of your tracks "

This is a good thread for me because I have an iLok on the way so that I can run the demo for PT 10.   I am definitely interested in the gotchas that might appear.

Meno

Willy Jones [Cakewalk
]

I don't know if it has gotten any better but when I had Pro Tools the support was non-existant. This is the reason I went to Cakewalk.

Support is often overlooked, but is one of the things that I'm really proud that we can say is still free with SONAR and will continue to be.  I think in general you will find that the amount of free phone support we give (about 24 months for most products) exceeds all of our competitors.  $80 a phone call is a bit rough IMO.

Anyone starting out should take note...support wil be the most important thing to you nothing else will matter if you don't have good support. Good support also means support that is not outsourced to some call center in a country where the language can be an issue.

Cakewalk should be applauded for what you get for your money.

I have never looked back to Pro Tools and at this point never will.

Plus you get this forum which is another big big plus.

I, too, was a Pro Tools user....I started with version 8, which required a Digidesign Interface...

I was more then happy when version 9 let me use any interface I wanted...that was a HUGE uptick for ME...
as I don't like the MBox at all...my biggest issue with PRO TOOLS was no 64 bit version....

BUT, when X1 came out.....I was impressed, both with functionality, user interface, and what it brought to the table...love it...,

I started off as a Cubase user, with version 3, and went all the way to 5, made the change to Pro Tools....was never content with that...


AND, as has been pointed out....AVID Tech Support is THE WORST IN THE BUSINESS EVER!!!  It's virtually NON-EXISTENT!!!

They are the SELF PROCLAIMED industry standard...although CUBASE is in more studios worldwide then Pro Tools...

They are DRASTICALLY too expensive....period....they're support is TERRIBLE, and the program, even in version 10, is STILL 32 BIT...

All of this, for ME, adds up to a company that really doesn't CARE about what the customer wants or expects...because they THINK they are 
too big for their britches....

I love X1....and Cake support is first rate...which is a HUGE HUGE HUGE bonus...

I am going to give Digital Performer 8 a look when it comes out.....and it better have a WHOLE LOT to offer over X1...which I doubt that 
it will....to get me to switch...

For me, X1 is MILES AHEAD of anyone else in the game...but that's just my opinion...

And you know what they say about those...

fitzj


I have read so much about pro-tools  for windows but compared to sonar pricing they charge crazy prices.
You purchase pro-tools nine but quickly you find that you need the expansion kit that give you beat Detective for stereo tracks plus you only get 1 instance without this expansion kit.
In the uk this will set you back pro-tools 9 with Vat £499.00
Extension pak £1499 - 1699 plus vat.
Pretty expensive when you count it all up compared to Sonar

add also that Pro Tools really sucks, no 64bit support its outdate and old, hardly work and you have big troubles just install it on Windows 7 x64 makes it even more hilarious.
 
Trust me Pro Tools has nothing to offer, infact much less.
 
You get more functionality with SONAR X1, Cubase, Nuendo, Logic, Samplitude, Studio One, Reaper...etc... Pro Tools are just overrated. Some still continue use it, not because its good, because they have invest a lot of money into this garbage TDM and so forth. That's the truth. Still majority of the big studios has shift their workplatform and use Cubase, Logic, Sonar X1,Sequoia and Samplitude instead. All modern DAWs are in full x64bit support. Some still continue to use their outdate Pro Tools HD system for tracking but later on, all real work is done in other DAWs that do support x64.

Coke and Pepsi!! They both are pretty much the same, may do things a little differrent. Much more bang for the buck with Sonar.