fitzj
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Pro-tools vs SonarX1
I have read so much about pro-tools for windows but compared to sonar pricing they charge crazy prices.
You purchase pro-tools nine but quickly you find that you need the expansion kit that give you beat Detective for stereo tracks plus you only get 1 instance without this expansion kit.
In the uk this will set you back pro-tools 9 with Vat £499.00
Extension pak £1499 - 1699 plus vat.
Pretty expensive when you count it all up compared to Sonar
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/11 12:21:13
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I think Sonar is a much better value and has comparable functions. (I have the Roland V-Studio 700). Pro Tools does give you a bit more commonality with large commercial studios in case you are sharing files.
I have used Sonar/Cakewalk and Roland VS recorders for a long time, so the Sonar/Roland package is conceptually easier for me.
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/11 12:27:51
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While we're on the subject... does X1 have an equivalent of the region list?
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/11 13:26:05
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I'd agree Fitzj. I used a ProTools HD 3 system for about a year when I worked in a commercial studio and found that things I took for granted in my Sonar set up at home (then version 6) were generally very expensive addons in ProTools and the default basic ProTools offering was actually quite limited; you got very little bang for your buck. If you are going down the ProTools route, you have to get the hardware which is pretty awesome, but without that, the software is rather less remarkable.
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/11 14:03:31
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/11 14:16:41
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Speaking of hardware, the V-Studio is not flashy, but it works extremely well and is very nice for the price—especially keeping in mind that the software is bundled for free. The Fantom synthesizer may or may not be of interest to you, but it is a nice all-around unit that does not take any CPU cycles. Included VIs with Sonar are basic but good. I use the bass on most tracks.
post edited by konradh - 2011/05/11 14:28:01
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/11 14:47:42
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I don't know if it has gotten any better but when I had Pro Tools the support was non-existant. This is the reason I went to Cakewalk. That was awhile ago may be it has gotten better.
And yes, price wise they are charging a premium. I can do everything I need with 8.5 Pro or X1 Pro.
I am not working with any studio so no need for Pro Tools for that reason...but I would think a studio could work with whatever you give them...not sure about this though.
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/12 11:40:37
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Pro Tools warns you when a track is not empty if you try to delete it, does X1 have this feature?
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/12 11:42:45
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While we're on the subject... does X1 have an equivalent of the region list? No... IMO, That's one of the better features of PT
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/12 12:19:24
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sonar has these lil dots that indicates that there is something on the track
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/17 23:37:23
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So if you are working with commercial studios often what are the best options?
1/ Take in separate dry wave/aiff files for each track and let them do the arranging, or
2/ Buy the Protools platform and transfer the X1 projects over to protools so it's ready for the studio to work on.
I suppose the issue there is you have to take in the wave files less the effects, but if you take it in set up for protools they can do any adjusting easily if they have the same plugin packages.
What do you think?
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/18 07:18:58
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CarvinAbuser
Pro Tools warns you when a track is not empty if you try to delete it, does X1 have this feature?
That's what Ctrl + z is for 
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/23 09:32:41
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In PT when you select a section of audio and hit play, only the selected section is played. How do you do this in X1? Thanks
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/23 13:01:17
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In PT when you select a section of audio and hit play, only the selected section is played. How do you do this in X1? Thanks Select a section, then click the "set loop points to selection" button or press SHIFT-L.
post edited by bitflipper - 2011/05/23 13:05:54
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/23 13:07:25
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Pro-tools vs SonarX1 Is this the heavyweight division bout for the title?
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/23 13:51:50
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CarvinAbuser
Pro Tools warns you when a track is not empty if you try to delete it, does X1 have this feature?
no -- But it warns you if your song is bad - that's an awesome feature - I have deleted so many bad songs and saved so many good ones with that feature - beats pro-tools hands down in that category
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/23 14:28:02
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In PT when you select a section of audio and hit play, only the selected section is played. How do you do this in X1?
Ctrl-Spacebar Edit: SHIFT+Spacebar
post edited by tarsier - 2011/05/24 14:27:48
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DJSur
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/23 23:39:04
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PT or X1?
Pick one and don't look back. Use it, learn it, live it!
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 12:04:10
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tarsier
In PT when you select a section of audio and hit play, only the selected section is played. How do you do this in X1?
Ctrl-Spacebar
Thanks, but Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't seem to do anything differently than the Spacebar.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 12:14:03
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AFAIK, Ctrl + Spacebar = Pause
Nothing to do with only playing a certain section.
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 14:26:47
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AFAIK, Ctrl + Spacebar = Pause Yep, I got my keyboard shortcuts mixed up. It's SHIFT+Spacebar to play selection. Sorry about that.
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 15:27:37
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I don't know if it has gotten any better but when I had Pro Tools the support was non-existant. This is the reason I went to Cakewalk. Support is often overlooked, but is one of the things that I'm really proud that we can say is still free with SONAR and will continue to be. I think in general you will find that the amount of free phone support we give (about 24 months for most products) exceeds all of our competitors. $80 a phone call is a bit rough IMO.
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 16:18:19
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Willy Jones [Cakewalk
$80 a phone call is a bit rough IMO.
holy smokes, that's truly terrible. FAIL!....
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 18:43:54
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that's ridiculous. I get a hard time alot for using X1 and not the "industry standard from my coworkers" I am a sonar convert from the pro tools world and I for one am not looking back. I am still forced to use it on some projects but I definitely prefer working in X1
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 22:28:33
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Willy Jones [Cakewalk
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I don't know if it has gotten any better but when I had Pro Tools the support was non-existant. This is the reason I went to Cakewalk.
Support is often overlooked, but is one of the things that I'm really proud that we can say is still free with SONAR and will continue to be. I think in general you will find that the amount of free phone support we give (about 24 months for most products) exceeds all of our competitors. $80 a phone call is a bit rough IMO.
Anyone starting out should take note...support wil be the most important thing to you nothing else will matter if you don't have good support. Good support also means support that is not outsourced to some call center in a country where the language can be an issue. Cakewalk should be applauded for what you get for your money. I have never looked back to Pro Tools and at this point never will. Plus you get this forum which is another big big plus.
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 22:57:36
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In Protools it's easy and effective to compose with standard notation. Sonar has barely updated it's notation in 15 years and it's a nightmare.
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Zuma
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/24 23:12:03
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I don't know man. You can pick apart any DAW and say "look what this can do and that one can't". It's silly to me because they all have or do something better than the other competing DAW's. No single DAW can be all things to all to people and acheive perfection in all phases of music production. Get 'em all for Christ sake and you'll be happy for years to come. I don't know. I don't want to see Sonar become Abelton, or Reason, or ProTools, etc. If I want/need those programs I'll buy 'em.
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vintagevibe
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/25 02:07:18
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Zuma I don't want to see Sonar become Abelton, or Reason, or ProTools, etc. If I want/need those programs I'll buy 'em.
I don't either. I just want Sonar to be Sonar but with useable notation.
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Zuma
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/25 07:32:26
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vintagevibe
Zuma I don't want to see Sonar become Abelton, or Reason, or ProTools, etc. If I want/need those programs I'll buy 'em.
I don't either. I just want Sonar to be Sonar but with useable notation.
Yeah? Well I want world peace but guess what? Some things you gotta wait for. You have options available to you in the mean time... don't pretend you like you don't.
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Re:Pro-tools vs SonarX1
2011/05/25 08:29:03
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I think vintagevibe and many others have been waiting for quite a while for 'basic' notation improvements.
I don't understand why some users persist to knockdown requests for better notation. It might not be used by everyone, but that is also true of other aspects of Sonar like the matrix and step sequencer views.
Given that Sonar was one of the first rock steady X64 platforms which did allow users to use more memory for Orchestral sound libraries I can fully understand the frustrations over the last few years in regards to notation and its current limitations.
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