drewfx1
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Public policy vs. Politics
A recent thread - in which I thought an entirely civil, and IMO also friendly exchange of ideas - was locked recently. Personally, I make a distinction between "politics" which is indeed toxic (and i agree needs to be banned) and "public policy" which is only vaguely related. I would apologize to any who disagree on this characterization, but I like to believe people can have productive, non-toxic, respectful discussions on public policy. Yes, even where we disagree on things. I also believe that the problem with problem with politics is that the exact sort of difficult questions we were discussing are ignored in place of superficial vitriol. You are of course welcome to differ. 
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 13:51:51
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Well, at least in the US *the law* is inextricably woven into the fabric of poly ticks. So when discussing legal concepts sometimes it overlaps. I feel the monitors can run the forum any way they wish. :D:D
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 14:08:19
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2016/11/10 19:29:55
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I feel the monitors can run the forum any way they wish. :D:D
Yep. Lock a civil conversation while a video to laugh about- kids toys that look like dicks is not....anyway they wish is right.
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 14:11:51
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Yes, some people have serious hang ups. The mods can't satisfy everyone, just those with common sense.
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 14:12:22
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drewfx1
A recent thread - in which I thought an entirely civil, and IMO also friendly exchange of ideas - was locked recently.
Personally, I make a distinction between "politics" which is indeed toxic (and i agree needs to be banned) and "public policy" which is only vaguely related.
I would apologize to any who disagree on this characterization, but I like to believe people can have productive, non-toxic, respectful discussions on public policy. Yes, even where we disagree on things.
I also believe that the problem with problem with politics is that the exact sort of difficult questions we were discussing are ignored in place of superficial vitriol.
You are of course welcome to differ.
+1 Drew I agree. That thread was locked because a few had complained.......apparently a civil discussion is not everyone's cup of tea. 
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 14:20:24
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eph221
Yes, some people have serious hang ups. The mods can't satisfy everyone, just those with common sense.
No doubt. I regret coming back to this forum thinking I would enjoy conversing with musicians. Easy fix.
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:09:01
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The entire thread was not a civil conversation about "public policy." one post from someone bringing a particular political viewpoint (or anything else for that matter) can trigger a violation ruining an entire thread for everyone.
comparisons with other threads which "got away with something" are irrelevant. "the mods" can't and don't want to police every single post.
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:30:04
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The distinction between politics and public policy is a distinction without a difference. Most of us could get just as angry about an abstract discussion regarding a policy, as about supporting a particular party or person who espouses that polity. To the extent that a political choice is anything other than a personality cult or beauty contest, and I think for most of us it is, then the heart of politics is policy. It is not the politician who is the devil or a saint, it is the fiendish or godly beliefs he (or she) promulgates and threatens or promises to make us accept.
There are other places to fight about policy.
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:46:07
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/11/15 10:27:02
No politics, no religion, enjoy! 'Tis the mantra I like to follow. (And, no, I'm not one of the complainers - ever. I just know that there are many layers to the onion of reality and neither politics nor religion are at the top so arguing about either is pointless.  )
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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bapu
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:46:39
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I have a car insurance policy.
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craigb
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:46:58
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Oh yeah, I forgot to add... IBTL! 
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Mesh
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:48:10
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bapu
I have a car insurance policy.
What is your policy?
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:50:30
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I have a job that provides medical insurance where my contribution is $300.75/month. Hope it stays that way for the time being (until Medicare kicks in).
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bapu
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:51:10
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Now....... 
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:51:40
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:51:42
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politics and public policy are always going to be joined at the hip,
because of the impact that the supreme court has, setting 'public policy', and how all businesses (even this forum) fall under those rules and guidelines without input......
and how the supreme court is a purely political tool, due to the way appointments are made.
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bapu
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
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Mesh
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:53:30
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I have no insurance
I drive unrestrained
I text and drive
I am Popeye the sailor man
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 15:54:54
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/11/10 16:06:38
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 16:07:27
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Mesh
bapu
I have a car insurance policy.
What is your policy?
To NEVAH discuss my Policy. It's like the first rule of Fight Club.
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 16:10:43
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bapu
Mesh
bapu
I have a car insurance policy.
What is your policy?
To NEVAH discuss my Policy.
It's like the first rule of Fight Club.
Is this a Public Policy or are you getting political?
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 16:19:01
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/11/10 16:20:12
Mesh
bapu
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bapu
I have a car insurance policy.
What is your policy?
To NEVAH discuss my Policy.
It's like the first rule of Fight Club.
Is this a Public Policy or are you getting political?
I have a few ticks in my poly. A good hot wash and hot rinse cycle should take care of that.
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spacey
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 16:44:29
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Beagle
The entire thread was not a civil conversation about "public policy." one post from someone bringing a particular political viewpoint (or anything else for that matter) can trigger a violation ruining an entire thread for everyone.
comparisons with other threads which "got away with something" are irrelevant. "the mods" can't and don't want to police every single post.
Since you addressed me in that; I said the truth; A civil conversation was going on and was locked because of a complaint. - the truth. Now if I missed somebody fighting over something...excuse me. A video about kids toys that looks like dicks hasn't been. - the truth. I compare. You don't. We're squared away as I see it. - and sorry Reece...I was talking to Drew when I pointed that out but if you think it's a bad comparison that's Ok by me. I'm sure many here compare differently. I thought I should add; I didn't complain about the thread being locked. (you were very nice about it Reece I just mentioned to Drew why I didn't understand it being locked.) I didn't complain about Beeps picture. ( I did enjoy it) I didn't complain about the dicks video. ( thought it was weird and found humor in the little time I watched) I guess I don't understand reasoning behind the complaints and locking. But it's Ok. Lot of things I don't understand.
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Beagle
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 17:01:11
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Beagle
The entire thread was not a civil conversation about "public policy." one post from someone bringing a particular political viewpoint (or anything else for that matter) can trigger a violation ruining an entire thread for everyone.
comparisons with other threads which "got away with something" are irrelevant. "the mods" can't and don't want to police every single post.
Since you addressed me in that;
I said the truth;
A civil conversation was going on and was locked because of a complaint. - the truth. Now if I missed somebody fighting over something...excuse me.
A video about kids toys that looks like dicks hasn't been. - the truth.
I compare. You don't. We're squared away as I see it. - and sorry Reece...I was talking to Drew when I pointed that out but if you think it's a bad comparison that's Ok by me. I'm sure many here compare differently.
I thought I should add;
I didn't complain about the thread being locked. (you were very nice about it Reece I just mentioned to Drew why I didn't understand it being locked.)
I didn't complain about Beeps picture. ( I did enjoy it)
I didn't complain about the dicks video. ( thought it was weird and found humor in the little time I watched)
I guess I don't understand reasoning behind the complaints and locking. But it's Ok. Lot of things I don't understand.
I understand your viewpoint. there are a lot of things I don't understand as well. I can't deal with things I don't know about. after your comments here I've looked for and taken down the video link in question.
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UbiquitousBubba
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 17:02:34
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I understood something once. At least, I think I did. Maybe not.
Never mind.
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drewfx1
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 19:09:53
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I appreciate everyone's thoughts.
My point here was twofold:
To explain that I make a distinction between the two things. I thought it was a productive civil discussion regarding public policy with perhaps a few questionable words that didn't really go anywhere. Obviously there is a fine line here and others might disagree.
To apologize to anyone who does not make the same distinction I do and who felt we were thus violating the TOS.
I also appreciate Beagle's (and the other mods') work in navigating these kinds of things.
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 19:12:35
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☄ Helpfulby drewfx1 2016/11/10 19:15:17
Oh goody! Does that mean we can discuss religion now?
j/k
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 19:26:08
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Guitars are the best. Vote for guitars!
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Re: Public policy vs. Politics
2016/11/10 19:36:49
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