Linear Phase
 
Fact check..   October 26 200 euro was US$0.8252
 

I would be genuinely interested in reading how this exchange rate was determined.

I think you need to recheck your Fact check. It makes no sense as written (at least to me).

That extra zero does make a difference. Thanks, right or wrong at least the Fact makes sense.

scook
That extra zero does make a difference. Thanks, right or wrong at least the "Fact" is a little more plausible.

 
a typo is a typo buddy..   Its a fact.   Its a proper fact..   

Edit = Ya know what..  never mind.   I don't need a kvrgument on Cakewalk.com

The issue is not really the price.
 
The issue is the usability of the product. Of course the cost of 300.00 for a perfectly functioning upgrade from X1 to X3 would be reasonable. It may even be reasonable for an X3 that fails to perform as specified, as have all of its predecessors. The Cakewalk products (even when you only consider the features that actually work) are a tremendous bargain compared to a lot of the software that is on the market.
 
What people are upset about is not that they are not getting their money's worth out of that upgrade path, but that, given the history of Cakewalk in repairing their software,  the product that they get in paying for two upgrades is very likely to be a Sonar X3 that will also be retired before it is working as promised, just as X1 and X2 were retired before they were repaired.
 
But if you want to shed a tear do so for the poor sods who are going to shell out 600.00 for a new DAW that will also not work as promised.

slartabartfast
The issue is not really the price.
 
The issue is the usability of the product. Of course the cost of 300.00 for a perfectly functioning upgrade from X1 to X3 would be reasonable. It may even be reasonable for an X3 that fails to perform as specified, as have all of its predecessors. The Cakewalk products (even when you only consider the features that actually work) are a tremendous bargain compared to a lot of the software that is on the market.
 
What people are upset about is not that they are not getting their money's worth out of that upgrade path, but that, given the history of Cakewalk in repairing their software,  the product that they get in paying for two upgrades is very likely to be a Sonar X3 that will also be retired before it is working as promised, just as X1 and X2 were retired before they were repaired.
 
But if you want to shed a tear do so for the poor sods who are going to shell out 600.00 for a new DAW that will also not work as promised.

That is very interesting and is not my personal experience of Sonar. There have been bugs that annoy me, and manifold graphics glitches too. But nothing so drastic that I have felt that my money has been poorly spent. Then thing that causes me more frustration are the features that appear in other DAWs but not in Sonar. 
 
Is X3 going to cost $600?

Inflation.

That's all well and good except I've already paid $600 for X2 (X1 Production Suite + upgrade) and it's still fidgety. I like X2 and I like Cakewalk but the trust is broken. I blame Roland for interfering with how the bakers conduct their business. If they had released one more decent patch I'd be inclined to agree with you (OP that is) but X2... well I've already stated my issues before and really they are quite minor but they ARE intrusive and hinder a happy workflow.
 
That said the last upgrade was indeed worth it for the additional plugs. TH2 is awesome and getting the starter version and upgrade path was WELL worth it (and I can still get more out of it when I buy MarkII Bass). R-Mix is another impressive program (not sure the full version is worth the price as the base version is quite slick as it is). Breverb... well I don't like it as much as others but I haven't fiddled with and even still it's nice to have all those extra options. If I hadn't already owned the Production Suite the addition of the full version synths would have been another huge bonus and even the content club stuff, although for the most part not really my cup of tea, had some useful items in it like the Groove3 pass (taught me a LOT).
 
But the DAW itself... well again significant improvements that I very much enjoy like the timeline zoom and take lanes BUT the new stuff was kind of half implemented and not followed up on properly.
 
All in all was the upgrade price worth it? Hell yeah... but not necessarily for the DAW itself but for the add ons and really how many more random plugs do I need? If I didn't already have BFD eco the Addictive Drums addition would have me interested but I think BFD is superior (I tried the AD demo before finding out about BFD and it is indeed nice but not AS nice as BFD for my needs). Melodyne? Okay that's cool but I'm actually moving towards Izotope Suites and that includes Nectar. They just seem like a good solid company with good solid plugs. Besides I haven't even tried V-Vocal yet and it might work fine for what I need to do.
 
So I ask you this... are we paying for a DAW or cross promotion plugins and doodads?
 
I simply need audiosnap/time stretch to work, have less random bizarro behavior and graphical glitches and reliable editing (not things getting randomly selected and dropped willy nilly). Some workable notation tools wouldn't hurt either (but I can live without those).
 
I'm not seeing those things particularly mentioned in the leaks. Also the silence/secrecy has been unnerving especially considering one of the deciding factors for me to join the Sonar club was all the reports of how interactive the Cake team was with the user base. The competitors didn't have those types of glowing reports. It is indeed important... especially for impatient OCD freaks such as myself.
 
Food for thought.

Why Beep do you expect different behavior from CW when for as long as they have been on the net they have never given out information in advance on new versions.
 
Right now I'm looking at BFD3 and trying to figure out what it will be like. FXpansion is not offering much in the form prerelease information. 

Hi, John. I was wondering where you were. Hope you've been well.
 
The secrecy really is the least of my issues but last year we seemed to have gotten plenty of official promo details from Cake. IIRC they didn't let these types of leaks even come close to getting the drop on them. Just one day there was an announcement and the info started to flow. I'm sure this has to do with the corporate weirdness going on but beyond that the Bakers kind of abandoned the forum starting around february. We were getting regular interaction about general mundane stuff (like helping users with questions and the like) the whole summer but they just disappeared this year. Even not talking about new releases but just being around can put folks at ease. Now I could see why they might not want to hang around so much or were instructed not to pop in as frequently because some people were outright abusive towards them. However in those over the top scenarios I personally would have just said "Lookit... chill out mufugga or we're gonna show you the door". I think the leniency and tolerance is laudable but if someone is just being a constant jerk don't let them chase you off. Boot them.
 
But that's all pretty OT. This is about the price. For those looking for the extra plugs and stuff it's probably a fair price. For those who simply want things already there to work a little better... not so much. I absolutely adore X2 which I try to bring up every time I start speaking negatively like this. I'm happy with the design and the feature set. If it worked a little better then I'd be happy. I do seriously hope they consider the idea of some kind of lower priced X2 patch after all the X3 hoopla settles. Cheers.

I find it interesting folk aren't comparing stuff "like for like" ..
 
1) logic's upgrade model relies on someone to buy a machine also.. and it's pretty much locked in to apple, due to it. Yep they really changed the model / prices compared to other companies. cutting DAW prices by half pretty much for their rivals.
 
2)pro audio is niche market, user base isn't like "windows" etc.. so yes it's development but a specialist area and the budgets are vastly different. can't really realistically be compared.
 
3)Avid again area a bit like apple, your locked in to them.. I don't have anything good to say about their "so called" support and they were more interesting in telling me about charging for something than helping.
 
4)Being outside the US is another aspect for the rest of us. Competing with EU based DAW's etc.
 
I can't see sonar getting a new GUI overhaul due to to the silly amount of work / change that went into "X"
 
I will compare it to cubase.. I prefer how they deal with updates / bugfixes.. and you don't seem forced into buying updates just to get bug fixes.. or "version +1" of whatever it is..
 
again , a lot of focus is on extra plugins..  LE and SE versions are a bit like bait on a fishing hook.. give em enough to want to upgrade. Except some aren't sonar exclusive and I got em elsewhere e.g. the AAS ones with a korg keyboard I own. Or other plugins which I probably have better sounding ones of.
 
I'd rather be paying more for work on the core program then any licensed extra's.
 
even with things like tape delay etc.. am I expecting it to be as good as u-he satin ? not really.. but I'd rather buy satin than pay for something I'll only upgrade. It's not like I can demo that either.. just see a GUI and have no feel of the actual sound.
 
if it is a jump to x3 directly "end of" .. then yep they have succeeded in getting a few backs up in the process.
 
I'm guessing a few of us will let the bugs settle down and to find out what is gonna change / happen... the yearly game of poker with the marketing department that I am getting used to. (this is why I like u-he / fabfilter / d16 / psp.. things are straight forward and I don't have to 2nd guess em)
 
 

S.A remembers last years not so "exclusive" exclusive strings ? that I could have got with the boxed version from elsewhere later ? pricing is the same pretty much.. until it's on the shelf thats pretty much a place holder.
 
 

Fog
S.A remembers last years not so "exclusive" exclusive strings ? that I could have got with the boxed version from elsewhere later ? pricing is the same pretty much.. until it's on the shelf thats pretty much a place holder.
 
 

lol... yeah. I wasn't aware of the Sonar release cycle when I bought the Production Suite in May 2012. A month later they were offering a $100 discount and a little later $100 and a free upgrade to X2 (or something like that) which included most of the stuff I paid the extra $100 for the suite for. Man did I feel like a shlub. Then the early adopter deal with the strings came along so I figured at least I could get SOME kind of deal out of Cake. Then shortly after the release a bunch of people were stamping their feet that they didn't get the strings pack (even though it was supposed to be for early adopters) and Cake caved and gave them the strings anyway.
 
I basically paid (going by my fuzzy math) an extra $300 for the exact same bundle others got (maybe $200... can't be arsed to make the calculations without any tea in me).
 
So if I seem cranky about things now people should know I've been kind of taking a beating from Cake from the beginning. I rarely mention it and I'm staying calm now (I think) but yeah... this has been a little messed up.
 
No regrets though. I don't think I could have done anything differently with the info I was provided.

Beepster

Bristol_Jonesey
Off Topic - have you seen the GUI of the soon-to-be-released BFD3?
 
http://www.gearslutz.com/...-soon.html#post9454820

Oh, crap. I didn't realize that was happening. Looks cool but I want to snag 2 on discount before it disappears (don't want to pay full price and once 3 is released you know it'll be full price for a looong time). Better start keeping an eye on their site. Cheers.
 
Huh. I don't suppose it's gonna go any lower than the $129 it's currently at. I wonder if I'll still be able to snag the upgrade after they release 3. No flow right now and I wanted to get my VRM box first.

Rumour has it that there will be NO discounted price for upgrades to BFD3.
 
Full price or nothing.
Think I'm going too pass on this one