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2012/12/27 17:26:07 (permalink)

Pyro discussion anyone?

Since it seems a bunch of us snagged Pyro with our X-Mas credit I was wondering what all everyone is doing with it and what it's capable of. I got it for tagging, burning and to use instead of WMP for my personal music library but I'm seeing that it does a bunch of other stuff. 

Just looking for ideas and insights on my new virtual toy.

Hope everyone is having a happy and safe holiday season. Cheers.
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    scook
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 17:30:18 (permalink)
    I have a vision of how it works in my head but I am not sure how to explain it to you. Hopefully a brain scientist will come along and help us extract the vision. Use CDA instead of Pyro. I am probably the only one that bought Piscis with my CW coupon
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 17:48:20 (permalink)
    lol... scientist. ;-)

    Anyway, I'm not sure if it was the best decision but I did need something to do that kind of thing and it was $20 so figured I'd snag it. It's 32 bits though which I only realized upon installation. Not sure if that'll cause weirdness. :-/




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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 17:50:24 (permalink)
    I am sure it will run fine on 64bit OS. CDA is 32bit too.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 17:51:55 (permalink)
    There is a pyro forum, but not much activity there. I have it and I use it. I actually like it better than Nero. I use it to break up long recordings into separate tracks and you can actually use all of your VST plug-ins (with some exceptions) in the bin. 
    post edited by daveny5 - 2012/12/28 14:05:35

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 17:55:20 (permalink)
     There's really nothing else I want right now so I think I'll give that a try too. 

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 17:58:07 (permalink)
    Hi, Dave. Yeah I figured the Pyro forum wouldn't garner many replies. Hoping it might be an easier solution for digitizing my old tapes and stuff so being able to use VSTs will be cool for mastering. Wonder if R-Mix will work with it.

    Also hoping it will be an easier option for ripping the audio from CDs of old shows so I can then snag the good stuff and toss them into Sonar. 
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 18:00:12 (permalink)
    The version of WMP that came with my copy of Win7 Pro is kind of useless. I mean I can rip stuff but it doesn't seem to give me a WAV option. Could be I just don't know how to use it but I've never really like WMP anyway except for maybe a couple of the earlier versions.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 18:39:37 (permalink)
    I took my 20 dollar coupon and bought a Pro channel plug-in instead of the Pyro. I got the Expander gate. It was the only one I did not have. The Coupon made it 29.00 instead of 49.00.

    I have a much older version of Pyro. Never got it to work right. I use Nero and Easy CD creator. Let us know if you run into any issues beepster. If it works well I just may pick it up. The version I had was kind of buggy.

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 18:51:49 (permalink)
    Hi, Marcus. There seems to be quite a few updates kicking around. When I went to register my copy it defaulted to 1.0 when I knew what I had was supposed to be 1.5. Just poking around down in the Pyro forum I realize now that there is actually a 1.5.2 version as well so maybe that's what's going on.

    Anyway... I would have loved to toss that credit at something a little fancier (I soooooo wanted to buy Ozone) but sadly I have to now shut down the spending spree and work with what I currently have. I am now back to having ZERO disposable income (if that) so unless I can tighten my belt even further or start making some cash no more goodies for Beepster.

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 19:21:19 (permalink)
    That Sucks Beep, I have been in that position way to often. This is the first time I have updated in years. I still have my version of Pyro. Maybe I will go load it and get the update. 

    What you might do is take a run over to Izotope and get there free pdf on mastering. While it uses Ozone for the examples you can substitute the modules for some of cakewalks plugs. when you read about stereo widening use channel tools and check it out with the free vst Gonio 3.

    http://www.kvraudio.com/product/gonio_by_ukm 

    I use the meter all the time to check the stereo Image. It is a great companion to channel tools. It allows you to see what channel tools is doing.

    reading through the guide will give you a better understanding of how to use Cakewalks stuff. I got my list of free VST plugs that I like too.

     

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 19:44:41 (permalink)
    @Marcus... Yeah I think I've been getting some good results with the stuff that came with Sonar and I barely know how to use them so I don't think not owning Ozone is gonna be a major tragedy but it sure does look purdy. ;-)

    After messing with R-Mix a bit on that one acoustic track I did I'm thinking that's going to be really useful for getting rid of unwanted noise and frequencies so it should make my mixing a little easier. I find when I'm EQing I'm trying to get rid of stuff instead of accentuating the sound so not having that nastiness in the way will be cool. I also have room for my outboard gear to be set up so in theory I'll have better raw signals to work with as well. Between the Line6 Duoverb and my console I'm hoping for some major improvements. I also have room to mic my amp if I want but I'm not so sure how well that'll turn out. Add to that I've only scratched the surface of TH2 and... well pretty much everything I'm lookign forward to what new sonic adventures await me.

    Still slogging through a bunch of other crap though and am hell bent on reading the manual from start to finish.

    Cheers.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 19:45:44 (permalink)
    Oh and thanks for the link. I'll check it out. I've got a bookmarks folder for Mastering stuff that I've been trying to fill up. It's currently pretty sparse.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 22:35:23 (permalink)
    After Looking at it I got Pyro 2004. I am not even sure if it will work in Windows 7. Since then there has been Pyro 5, and the last Version Pyro Audio Creator. Pyro Audio Creator is actually The 6th version. 1.5 is in reference to Pyro Audio Creator. I don't think my old version will work. 

    Let me know how well your version works and if you have any issues.

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/27 23:28:56 (permalink)
    Pyro is better than Audio Creator for doing CDs.  I never figured out how to edit in AC.  I use Sound Forge instead.  But Pyro can make quick CDs (I use it for comping CDs, mp3s and old vinyl.  Easy to adjust volume between tracks.

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 00:50:22 (permalink)
    Beepster,
    The version we just got is 1.5. Check the setup file.
    If you open the Editor, and click Help>About.. you will see 1.5.
    For some reason, the MP3 activation only seems to work if you select Pyro 1.0. That doesn't really matter. Once you have the key, you have it.
    I did download the 1.5.2 update on my desktop PC, and it now shows 1.5.2 in the About.. screen.

    After considering some of the sample libraries, I went with Pyro because I just don't have anything quite like it.
    And like yourself, it's going to be a while before I can spring for any new toys.
    Aside from the obvious encoder, burner stuff, I kind of like the idea of having a simple environment, away from the somewhat busy Sonar interface, to finalize a track.
    A few choice effect in the bin, and minimal distractions. And it can use the 64 bit double precision engine.
    I'm pleased with the call, and it was a good way to spend $20 I wouldn't have had to play with.

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 01:11:11 (permalink)
    AT I'm confused here I have Pyro Audio Creator. I picked it up with one of those CW sales earlier this year. It seems to be a decent product and as far as I can tell it does what its supposed to do. I had a version of Pyro many years ago and could never get it to work. So what is better about Pyro. Also my version is 1.5.2. I did not have to update it either.  

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 08:17:53 (permalink)
    Yeah, sorry. It's actually Pyro Audio Creator I picked up. I didn't realize there was a program called just Pyro until I was poking around the forum. Is that just a CD burning thingy without all the other stuff?

    Anyway I was glad to see Pyro AC was Redbook compliant... at least I THINK the article was on AC. Guess I'd better double check.

    lol... so confusing.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 09:48:11 (permalink)
    I use Pyro and think it could do more and a few things better but what software doesn't have that need?

    I use for:
    1. Ripping
    2. Burning
    3. Simple editing
    4. Recording web stuff
    5. My favorite is the encoder - set up as many as you like and DOD a file. E.g. I share demo mp3s with my band and will typically reduce the file from whatever it is to 128khz. It automatically saves it to the same folder.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 09:53:56 (permalink)
    4. Recording web stuff

    How are you going about this? Does it snag the audio directly into the program or do you have to do some physical routing? Hadn't thought of it for this purpose. Cheers.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 10:11:41 (permalink)
    Well, because I have the M-audio 2496 which doesn't allow "recording what you hear" I have my audio out routed through a little 4 channel mixer and back into the card.  This way I can use Pyro's editor to record what is playing.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 10:15:24 (permalink)
    Ah, okay. Just thought maybe it worked like I've been told Audacity does. Cheers.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 11:06:51 (permalink)
    Beepster, Audacity needs a physical set up, it can only record "as you hear" ie from the web if the sound card has that facility.

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 11:10:23 (permalink)
    Oh... I had posted a thread and someone recommended it. I really wish my 18i6 had the loopback function the 8i6 does. Oh well. Thanks for the heads up. That'll save me from wasting time figuring it out the hard way. Cheers.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 12:30:20 (permalink)
    I have a version of Pyro. I never could get it to work. 
    It always said I didn't have a CD/DVD drive/burner.
    Funny because that's what I used to install the damn thing with.
    After way too many hours with tech support and other avenues I finally gave up.
    Of course Cakewalk wouldn't refund my $40 because it had been opened.
    I believe it's Pyro 5 if anyone wants it just PM me and it's yours.
    Best of luck but by far the worst software ever put out by Cakewalk.

    I ate that loss and invested in CD Architect.
    It may have cost a couple of bucks more but it's in a whole different league.

    I wonder if Cake would consider sending me a check for that $20 Christmas gift and help me offset this over priced coaster I bought from them.  

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 12:42:22 (permalink)
    I used to get that error on my old system ALL the time. I don't think I ever successfully burned a CD with the internal drive no matter what program I used and ended up buying an external USB burner. It was infuriating. I chalked it up to some kind of Windows or BIOS issue which I was not smart enough to figure out.
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 12:50:27 (permalink)
    John,

    the older pyro (5?) was a ripper/CD burner.  As I recall it had slip editing in the CD track and you could do fades etc.  Also track naming/numbering.  VST support was added and it came w/ basic Cake effects.  It was a good commercial product (I used to see it in Best Buy, etc.) and that is what I used it for.  The best thing was it had a quick song envelope so you could (kinda) match volumes which was important when I was burning home comps from albums, CD and mp3s.  SF was more involved for that.

    Pyro AC is a multi-module "all in one""  comercial product and does more.  I've never figured out the editor part of it, not worth the time since I use SF for that process.  I've never really dealt w/ Publisher, which is the same in other Cake products I guess.  My website wants more money per month to do html inserts and I'm cheap - esp. when there are free sites I can link to.

    The burner, encoder etc. work well, and the tagger is very nice if you have a "file" from vinyl you need to name - or your own stuff.  Worth it just for that, tho I don't know Nero etc. since I mostly use SF.  Pyro et al is just more convenient for non-pro work at times.

    Also, I guess you need to have your interface running when installing.  My Pyros have always defaulted to the computer speakers instead of my interface and I never found a way to change that.  It might be different w/ AC but I don't have that on my music computer, only this internet/writing one which has nothing but the realtec card.

    Whew!  that is a lot for a program I don't use that much.  I'm sure it is pretty good, but not up to SF (w/ all the cost differential there).  I've asked Cake several times to "Pro" Pyro and hook it up to SONAR for editing, etc.  However, they've never followed my advice.  Imagine that.  I also wanted Ford to make a flying car - not happening either.

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 13:39:31 (permalink)
    Beepster



    4. Recording web stuff

    How are you going about this? Does it snag the audio directly into the program or do you have to do some physical routing? Hadn't thought of it for this purpose. Cheers.

     
    Beep, my Line 6 soundcard hasn't got a 'what you hear' setting for recording from the web.
     
    If I want to download any audio (or video) from the web, my solution is to use Real Player. You just open 'New Web Browser' from within Real Player and then download directly. If, for example, the audio is part of a YouTube video, you download the video and then use Real Player's built in audio extractor/converter.
     
    It's a bit fiddly, but as it's a download, it's much quicker than recording something in real time.
     
     
     

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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 13:50:47 (permalink)
    Cool, Steve. I actually looked at downloading a vid from youtube for the first time acouple weeks ago and couldn't find the option... then when I googled for an answer I saw a bunch of people freaking out about how they disabled that function. 

    That would indeed be where I'd be getting most stuff from. Hope that wasn't permanent. If so I'll have to physically route things which sounds annoying.

    However there are other places/things I'd like to snag stuff from so that's cool... within the law of course. ;-)
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    Re:Pyro discussion anyone? 2012/12/28 14:03:17 (permalink)
    Another reason I use FDM.
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