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QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
Hello! I'm thinking to buy a version of Sonar.
I have a QCon Pro from Icon and I would like to know how it can be used with Sonar (Platinium or any version).
If some of you could make it work, I would like to know the steps in order to do it.
Sorry about my bad english and thanks in advance.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
September 21, 16 2:15 PM
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Hi, and welcome to this forum. I do not have a Qcon Pro, but if I understand correctly it uses Mackie Control, which is supported in SONAR. To go deeper, you could download fellow SONAR user azslow3's AZ Control, which can be downloaded here: http://www.azslow.com/index.php?action=downloads Hope it helps. All the best.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
September 22, 16 5:37 AM
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After tracking all related posts on this forum, analyzing QPro Mod description (there was one) and attempting to create special preset for it, I can conclude that QCon Pro is not the best choice for Sonar. In the same price category there is X-Touch, which is known to work fine out of the box.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
September 22, 16 6:46 AM
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I looked at the Qcon web site and it lists compatible DAW's but does not include Sonar. Whether that is really the case or not? But, I decided Qcon was not for me and upgraded to the Behringer X-Touch which works OK in Sonar.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
October 05, 16 9:06 AM
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Thanks for your welcome and replys!
Zargg71: Thanks for the tip. Anyway, I don't understand how should the AZ control can make the Icon Pro X work with Sonar. If you can be more specific or make a step by step instructions, it should be great.
If there is any interested in this, I wrote to Qcon and they send me this reply:
Yes, you should be able to make custom maps for your QCon Pro X using Sonar.
Sonar has an ability to learn MIDI functions used on devices, I'm including links to Youtube videos that should help clear these things up for you.
The first video is simply setting up a MIDI device:
The second is how to use the MIDI learn function, to use this you will most likely want to set your DAW mode on the QCon Pro X to User Define.
I hope this helps clear things up for you. If you have any other questions please don't hesitate to ask, we're always here.
Anyway, It's still a little difficult to me, to understand how to make it work...
I just want to make the DAW work with at least the basic features like Solo, Mute, Faders, Start, Stop, Rec...
Thank you!
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
October 05, 16 12:44 AM
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MadbeatEstudio
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
October 05, 16 12:48 AM
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Thank you again.
I will try it in a month, when the DAW arrives, and the I will post my experience.
Thanks again, regards.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
October 06, 16 4:49 AM
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MadbeatEstudio
If there is any interested in this, I wrote to Qcon and they send me this reply:
Yes, you should be able to make custom maps for your QCon Pro X using Sonar.
Sonar has an ability to learn MIDI functions used on devices, I'm including links to Youtube videos that should help clear these things up for you.
It will work on the level of Korg Nano then, no motorized faders, no indication on buttons, etc. But ~10 times more expensive  There is a fancy post, most probably also from QCon: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/10771786-post2.htmlTo explain why it is fancy:
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Regarding the use of the QCon Pro with Sonar, this is an ongoing issue for many, many controllers on the market right now. The fact that Sonar and Steinberg have chosen to require non-standard data to somehow 'authenticate' seems an awful lot like a 'buy our own licensed stuff' trap.
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For now, I'm just searching for this handshake information and trying to get a copy of the current firmware code to update.
So they have failed to find Mackie (!) protocol official documentation (which takes ~30 second to find in Google, as EMagic Logic Control, dated 2002) and they blame CW and Steinberg for using something "non standard". Not to say that MackieControl Sonar plug-in source code is officially published as Open Source since several year. Back to the practical aspect. AZ Controller preset for QCon was never tested. But there is modified MackieControl plug-in for QCon, made by another Sonar user: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3092979I do not have QCon, so I do not know either it works. But I guess it is better then other solutions in this case.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
October 06, 16 8:36 AM
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Azslow3, thanks a lot for your thoughts. I want to die because to me, Sonar is the best software... I don't like any other like for example ProTools... and I think I'm not be able to make the Qcon Pro X work with Sonar... :( Anyway, I will try with the Mackie Control Plug In... is the only hope... I don't understand how the files must be installed in Sonar... I will ask to the author. Thanks, regards
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
October 06, 16 10:06 AM
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Is it too late to return the Qcon? if not bite the bullet and sell the Qcon and buy a Behringer X-Touch which would solve your problems. As I previously mentioned in this thread, I had seriously considered the Qcon but since they did not mention Sonar in their compatibility, or anywhere I could find on their web site, I passed it up.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
November 16, 16 12:34 AM
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☄ Helpfulby lorenzobanda777 December 19, 16 4:40 PM
Hi folks!
Yesterday the Qcon Pro X arrives.
Well, I'm going to share my experience with all of you.
First, nothing happens. The mackie option in Cakewalk SONAR didn't work out of the box as expected.
Then, I tried several things like replacing the MackieControl made by Sdupayage or trying to understand how to make it work with AZslow3 Control... but nothing happens (may be I was doing something wrong... is very possible...)
My last attempt was to upgrade the firmware of the Qcon Pro X.
It came with the version 1.06 and I upgrade it to 1.07 (I don't like to do these upgrades beacuse the hardware can be ruined if you do it wrong or something happen...)
But... THEN IT WORKS GREAT!!
Sonar could make it work with the standard Mackie protocol!!!
Every seems to work well, except the Meter bridge and SMPTE Lcd display... :(
The rest works great like the label names in the display, moving faders, Jog shuttle wheel, Star, stop, solo, mute and so on...
The strange thing was: triyng in Adobe Premiere, everything works including the metter bridge!! (but not the SMPTE display).
Conclusion: If you have this devie, you shold do the upgrade... it worth it... Version 1.06 doesn't work with Mackie Control, but 1.07 does.
If anyone can help me making work the metter bridge and SMPTE LCD display, please do it!!
Thank you to everyone, regards from La Argentina.
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azslow3
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
November 17, 16 5:50 AM
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Thank you for letting us know that iCon has finally managed to implement Mackie handshake properly!
With meters, have you set MackieControl option "Meters" to "Signal LEDs + Meters" (default is "Off")?
With SMPTE. I remember some devices set SMPTE display into "MIDI mode" by default,
I mean it is displaying MIDI time code. You can either try to find how to switch it into Mackie mode (only iCon/documentation can help) or at least test that something is displayed when you enable "Send MIDI Sync" with "Transmit SPP" and/or "Transmit MTC" (with your qCon checked in both lists), in the Sonar Preferences / Project / MIDI
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
December 03, 16 0:26 PM
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Hello Folks,
For anyone interested I just purchased the Behringer X-Touch, and with the new firmware version 1.15 its the dogs nuts and a bag of chips, it works, my only caveat is that Cakewalk needs to wake up and extend its Mackie Control protocol, its very old and you can't modify too much except the F1 to F8 Function keys and some others, using a control surface like X-Touch, Cakewalk should open up the editing features for Mackie control a little, however it does work great out of the box, just remember to go into the Mackie control properties to make your meter and touch fader adjustments, and don't use too many USB items in your system, you'll get USB MIDI bottleneck issues.
Jimi Jones
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azslow3
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
December 03, 16 2:33 AM
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jimijones55
For anyone interested I just purchased the Behringer X-Touch, and with the new firmware version 1.15 its the dogs nuts and a bag of chips, it works, my only caveat is that Cakewalk needs to wake up and extend its Mackie Control protocol, its very old
There are already several discussions about X-Touch, this thread is about different device from different manufacture. Cakewalk implementation of Mackie Control protocol is complete, protocol defines only how to communicate with each button/fader/encoder. It say nothing about what they should do. X-Touch is a COPY of more then 10 (15?) years old device. It is "very old"
and you can't modify too much except the F1 to F8 Function keys and some others, using a control surface like X-Touch, Cakewalk should open up the editing features for Mackie control a little, however it does work great out of the box, just remember to go into the Mackie control properties to make your meter and touch fader adjustments,
If you want complete freedom in configuration, you can download AZ Controller and configure everything yourself. That obviously requires some skills.
and don't use too many USB items in your system, you'll get USB MIDI bottleneck issues.
MIDI devices will have hard time to saturate USB bandwidth. You will need to feel your room with X-Touches to achieve that. And any computer has more then one USB controller. But in older Windows there was MIDI devices limit, that is USB unrelated.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
December 19, 16 4:39 PM
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just received my icon pro X
Will ot recognize in sonar, latest firmware.
what am I missing?
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
December 19, 16 4:42 PM
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please leave a step by step accounting of how you did this. I just received my Qcon Pro X today and it wont even recognize in sonar. I have latest firmware, using mackie control stock plugin from Sonar Platinum
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
December 19, 16 5:24 PM
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Are you sure you have 1.07 firmware, as reported by MadbeatEstudio? You can also start with: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Mackie-Control-support-improvements-m3311275.aspxIn that variation there is "Compatibility" option, so the device will (a kind of) work even with old firmware. You will need the next release of this plug-in in case you are going to control ProChannel, current version (of this and stock plug-ins) will crash Sonar when pointed to ProChannel compressor.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
December 19, 16 6:57 PM
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Well its working now, and its freakn amazing. Blows Mackie MCU pro out of the water.
The trick was to replace the mackie dll file with a modded one from a user on a diff post.
This unit will not work with the stock mackie control driver that comes with sonar.
Will be uploading a video to YT for more details.
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Re: QCon Pro (Icon) with Sonar. Do work well?
December 26, 16 8:28 PM
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Can you share the modded .dll? I'm having the same issue. My Pro X works superb with Studio One..can't get it to do a thing in Sonar.
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