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2011/05/03 12:26:28 (permalink)

Quad core vs dual core in X1

I have an AMD 5600+ dual core as my studio CPU and I have a QX6700 core 2 quad extreme and mobo sitting here that's up for sale at the moment. Is there any real evidence of the benefits of X1 and quad core? Are there any Task Manager screenshots or anything?

The dual runs almost 50/50 in Reaper.
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/03 12:35:30 (permalink)
    I would imagine that 4 cores are always better than 2 cores running the same speed.

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 01:53:48 (permalink)
    I'm still using a Q6600 quad, and the cores all seem fairly evenly loaded when running X1, so you should get the benefit of the extra cores.
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 08:13:32 (permalink)
    Depending on what you are recording (audio vs. VSTi's) I'd say you most certainly would see an improvement.  As stated more cores will help.  I'm not sure about the differences between those two architectures.  If they are similar and you are using the same amount of RAM (with similar speeds), then I would say go with the quad core.

    I used to use a QX6780 quad-core and it worked out very well for me (pre-X1).  I've since upgraded to an i7 920 and have been using that for over a year now.

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 09:37:41 (permalink)
    At the time that X1 was released I did a minor upgrade to my system going from the same processor as you have - the AMD 5600+ to a AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition CPU and I have been very pleased with the results.  Fortunately my older MB supported the change so it ended up being a very cost effective upgrade option without having to replace large amounts of my system (I already had the 8GB of system ram so I only upgrade the CPU).

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 15:33:15 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies!

    @ Jind

    You're using 8G of RAM and a 64bit system, how much RAM do you actually see being used? (In Task Manger for example.)

    Up until now I've been using 32bit XP Pro and 2 x 1G OCZ with the 5600+ ( 2.9GHz dual core) and I usually see about 1.3/1.4G's used - that's with 2 or 3 vocs, a couple of trumpets and not more that 6 VST's.

    EDIT - sorry, when I said 6 vst's that means 6 tracks of midi instruments, there are about 25 or more associated effects and the effects for the vocs and trumpet.
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 15:42:39 (permalink)
    Hi Somerset

    Do you know how much RAM you're using?
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 15:44:05 (permalink)
    Hi Tyako

    Same Q: How much Ram where you using with the QX6780?
    post edited by edjay - 2011/05/04 15:45:28
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 15:50:04 (permalink)
    how much RAM each of them use is not going to be dependant only on the processor while using sonar.  it will also depend on how you use sonar and which plugins and (especially) which softsynths you use.  it will also depend on what else you have running on your system, but plugins and softsynths are going to be more of a factor than sonar itself or the anything else.

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 16:05:39 (permalink)
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    how much RAM each of them use is not going to be dependant only on the processor while using sonar....
    I agree, but I can't afford to buy extra RAM as well as X1 and Win 7 if it means that a quad is going to use more; and that also means thinking about going 64bit - as I'm sure you know that 2G is about optimal for a 32bit system.


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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 16:12:21 (permalink)
    no, I wouldn't agree that 2G is optimal for a 32bit system.  I would prefer to have the max available and I ran my 32bit system with 4G (only 3.25G was available of course).

    how much RAM do you have?  I would not run a 64bit system with less than 4G.

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 16:19:19 (permalink)
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      I ran my 32bit system with 4G (only 3.25G was available of course).


    ....but how much of it was used?

    EDIT: If you run the performance tab in task manager at the same time as running any number of applications, it will give you a reasonable idea of what your system is using.
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 16:57:13 (permalink)
    again - it depended on the project.  I used pretty much all of the installed RAM at different times depending on the softsynths and FX I was using in my projects.  it's the main reason I wanted to upgrade to win7x64 so that I could get more RAM for my large projects.

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 17:26:05 (permalink)
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    I used pretty much all of the installed RAM at different times...

    What CPU were you using?
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/04 20:49:50 (permalink)
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    Hi Somerset

    Do you know how much RAM you're using?

    I have 4 GB of RAM, and running Vista 32 bit
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/05 05:26:29 (permalink)
    edjay said...

    How much Ram where you using with the QX6780?


    I too had 4 gigs in my QX6870 machine when I used it.  I even upgraded it to 8 gigs when I added a dual boot of Vista 64-bit at the time.  I did that because we had one project that required more that the 4 gig limit we had with XP.  XP (of course) only saw 4 gigs of the RAM.

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/05 07:34:33 (permalink)
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    I used pretty much all of the installed RAM at different times...

    What CPU were you using?


    Q6600

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/05 10:22:31 (permalink)
    My system has 4Gb of RAM running with a Q6700 in Win XP/32, and I have run out of memory on larger, complex projects.

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/05 13:14:58 (permalink)
    My system runs Q9550 W7x64 X1x64 and regularly have over 6Gb of my 8Gb RAM in use....I put that down to the complex Kontakt sample libraries being used rather than the quad core processor.

    It's amazing how projects expand to fill the RAM available!!

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/05 13:48:50 (permalink)
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    My system runs Q9550 W7x64 X1x64 and regularly have over 6Gb of my 8Gb RAM in use....I put that down to the complex Kontakt sample libraries being used rather than the quad core processor.

    It's amazing how projects expand to fill the RAM available!!


    exactly!

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/11 12:27:02 (permalink)
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    I have 4 GB of RAM, and running Vista 32 bit

    Same question:

    Do you know how much RAM you're using?

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/11 12:32:20 (permalink)
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    we had one project that required more that the 4 gig limit we had with XP.


    We know that a 32 bit system will not use 4G of RAM. So how did you know that you were going over the 4G limit?


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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/11 12:38:50 (permalink)
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    My system has 4Gb of RAM running with a Q6700 in Win XP/32, and I have run out of memory on larger, complex projects.


    Are you sure it's the RAM you're running out of? How did you check this?

    Ar you sure it wasn't the CPU bottoming out?
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/11 12:42:50 (permalink)
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    Q6600


    I think I'm going to have to build up another system and test this 6700 and see what happens.
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/11 12:43:51 (permalink)
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    Twigman


    My system runs Q9550 W7x64 X1x64 and regularly have over 6Gb of my 8Gb RAM in use....I put that down to the complex Kontakt sample libraries being used rather than the quad core processor.

    It's amazing how projects expand to fill the RAM available!!


    exactly!


    We were originally talking about a 32 bit system though.
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/12 07:23:07 (permalink)
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    Bristol_Jonesey


    My system has 4Gb of RAM running with a Q6700 in Win XP/32, and I have run out of memory on larger, complex projects.


    Are you sure it's the RAM you're running out of? How did you check this?

    Ar you sure it wasn't the CPU bottoming out?


    Er, from the "Out of Memory" message that Sonar produces.

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/12 11:50:18 (permalink)
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    Er, from the "Out of Memory" message that Sonar produces.

    Duh.......you can tell I'm a new Sonar user eh.  :)

    Do you ever use Task Manager to have a look at RAM and CPU usage?

    EDIT: I did a 50 minute project for some Tai Chi classes a couple of months ago - lots of audio, midi and effects in one piece over about 20 tracks and the first thing to hit the boards was my CPU, not the RAM.

    That's a 5600+ @ 2.9 GHz dual core and 2G of dual channel OCZ DDR2 800 - that was on 32bit XP Pro.
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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/13 06:35:22 (permalink)
    Perhaps that's a manifestation of the inherent capabiltites of a Quad core over a Dual core?

    Just throwing the idea out there.......

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/13 07:21:15 (permalink)
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    I have an AMD 5600+ dual core as my studio CPU and I have a QX6700 core 2 quad extreme and mobo sitting here that's up for sale at the moment. Is there any real evidence of the benefits of X1 and quad core? Are there any Task Manager screenshots or anything?

    The dual runs almost 50/50 in Reaper.


    Here is an article on the subject to clear it up for you:

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    Re:Quad core vs dual core in X1 2011/05/13 08:54:14 (permalink)
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    Just throwing the idea out there.......

    If you're not really interested in the thread Jonsey mate, don't feel obliged, it's not a mandatory requirement of making an initial comment in a thread. It's a big thing for me, I've got to figure out RAM consumption and/or the 64 bit thing from the point of how much I can't afford to buy; on top of the X1 and Win 7 that I couldn't afford and the piano module I've been researching for two weeks that I can't afford either - if you see what I mean.

    Things are tight and I have a genuine interest in the subject matter. No offense.


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