Question about tempo in Sonar and Melodyne 4- YES! Workaround suggested by briandhughes

Well, I got Studio 4, but something's frustrating me: I played and sang a song into Studio 4 with no click and varied the tempo as I played even more freely than normal, just to see how good Melodyne's new tempo detection really is.
 
The tempo detection worked just great - really impressive, in fact. You can watch the correct measures going by in Melodyne, with beat one falling exactly right every time, despite my deliberate expressive timing fluctuations.
 
The trouble is, I can't figure out how make Sonar recognize the analyzed tempo so that I can now add loops, etc. and have them follow Melodyne (and not Sonar). I can't seem to find a setting telling Sonar to follow Melodyne's tempo.
 
Would anyone know the way to accomplish this?
Thanks in advance!
LJ

I have just sent an email to Celemony asking about this.
 

Acron, that's what I tried to do yesterday, but I couldn't figure out how to make that work, either. That doesn't mean that it doesn't work, just that I can't figure out how to do it.
 
I'm still hoping that someone here will come up with a solution that a) works and b) I can understand and implement

briandhughes, thank you, thank you, thank you! Your tip works perfectly! I kept trying to import the midi file by selecting file>import>midi; it never occurred to me to try file>open.
 
Even though this not as convenient as doing everything from within Sonar would be, at least it works!
 
This will make making music SO much nicer and more natural for me - it's something I've wished for for years. I'm thrilled!
 
Hurray for this forum, and thanks again, Brian!

That would be the icing on the cake, Steve! 
 
Since Sonar already boasts ARA technology, it does seem (from the outside, at least) that it would not be too difficult to implement this great feature entirely from within Sonar itself.
 

Yes, Paul G. I just Export the Wav file from the stand-alone Melodyne, and then select an empty audio track in Sonar, and file>import>audio into that. It lines up perfectly. Have fun!
LJ

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briandhughes, thank you, thank you, thank you! Your tip works perfectly! I kept trying to import the midi file by selecting file>import>midi; it never occurred to me to try file>open.
 
Even though this not as convenient as doing everything from within Sonar would be, at least it works!
 
This will make making music SO much nicer and more natural for me - it's something I've wished for for years. I'm thrilled!
 
Hurray for this forum, and thanks again, Brian!

Yer most welcome. That was a feature I was really interested in as well. The sound editor is awesome too. The EQ and Harmonics is totally awesome.
Brian

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I would not have upgraded for any other reason.

Of course, we all have our own priorities and needs.  For me, the ability to so easily manipulate the timbre of the instrument (by varying the strength of the various overtones) is surprisingly powerful.  This feature directly controls what we have tried to accomplish with EQ, exciters or other methods in the past.
 
I ran a bass recording into the thing last night.  The overtone package was mostly as I expected, but there were several overtones that were not at all what I expected to hear.  Being able to take them out or emphasize them is really revealing.  I am now interested to try this on several different basses to see how their timbre varies.  This might help some people make equipment choices, even if they don't use this feature in their mixing.
 

I've been thinking about the possibilities for my wind instruments. I have a good sax, and ok flute and cheap alto flute. A good flute is made from silver to dampen resonances, creating a nicer tone. Just the head (mouthpiece) of my Good flute is solid sliver. My Alto flute is cheap German silver throughout. I've wondered about melodynes ability to pull back some overtone ranges to that may help make the Alto sound like a nicer flute.
 
The mouth piece has such a large influence on the sound. Maybe manipulation of harmonics will make it sound like a different head joint of the flute, which is a neutral sounding  stock one. The same for my Sax, although a good sax, and the stock Yanigisawa mouthpiece is okay sounding. To please both clasical players and jazz players playing it, the mouthpiece sits between both, not wanting to impart too much character. Maybe melodyne will be able to subtly change this. Having looked at where they tried to make a sax sound like a clarinet, I suspect some potential is there.
 
Thinking further, If I played 2 unison lines on the same instrument, Melodyne seems like I should be able to make it sound like to different performers, or instruments (two types of soprano sax, rather than  a soprano an something else). More then just formant manipulation. Playing the second line a semi tone or 2 up, then droping the pitch back down Melodyne, adjusting the formants a little and playing with the overtones, all subtly could thickening up unison playing.
 
 

Ah but it was the subtlety I was after. But the none subtle looks to have amazing potential too. New years holiday next week. Not had anytime for anything for so long, I can't wait.

I was trying to figure this out all afternoon and started another thread...as didn't see this one... but... here's the procedure from start to finish that seems to work which I posted elsewhere... klugy but works!  If you had a band with 5 or 6 tracks it would be a royal pain:
 
OK, so this is the kludgy system that seems to work: (based on writing a free form piano track with no click)

1. export the piano as a wav file
2. bring up M4studio or editor's external desktop program
3. load the wav into M4... select all (don't know if this is necessary)
4. Click Edit, go to Temp at bottom, click Detect Tempo of Selection
5. File export, Tempo map... save it with your song/wav file folder
6. Go to Sonar, Go to file open (yes, a NEW song!), and select the saved tempo map (the .mid file in "5" above)
7. It will import the tempo map... 
8. Then you can re-import the wav file melodyne analyzed into this new song.

This is real wacked, especially if you have several live tracks to save and reimport...
 
Studio1 v.3 has a much better/easy/direct ara system per a pdf prepared by a forum member I reviewed while trying to figure this out.  Imports directly in the same song into the tempo map.
 
I'm sure the bakers are gonna fix this but it's NOT fixed in Manchester as I'm running it...