Questions about Sonar 2017.03 new PRV

Yes, it bothers me that audio tracks and the audio part of inserted synths shows up in the PRV...Unless there is another way to filter these out I have not figured how.

chuckebaby
 
Have you tried using the filter button ?
 

 
I would use the filter if it worked ...
How to filter something? There is no documentation about it.
You do not have any option to filter anything except "add all tracks" ...
And even if the filter worked, it's a much harder way to show just a few tracks in the PRV, right? The idea is that the workflow is easier, not more difficult.
 

For the different colors - it's more subtle than you would think and it's the background colors not the note colors
Like this (calling these blue and beige for lack of a better description) - using your screenshot #3:
 
Eb blue
D   white
Db  blue
C   white
B   white
Bb beige
A   white
 
I hope that makes sense.

SimpleManZ
So, I was half way understanding the 'filter button'. Figured it out and actually appreciate it. Another goodie is being able to mute audio tracks from within the PRV, this will enhance workflow.
Thank you and a thumbs-up to Cake-Bakers. 

So, could anyone please explain me how to use  the filter button or anything else to see just some tracks in PRV?

Hatstand
https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=EditingMIDI.10.html
 
the manual has other information on the prv changes also. it may be of some use.

Thank you.

Sorry if this has already been posted (I don't see a mention of it yet)
I can't display multiple tracks in the new PRV when one of them is using a drum map. I use this all the time to line up bass notes with drums (using a drum map).
If I change my drum track from a drum map to a normal output - it works fine.
 
EDIT: I found it! You have to enable in "View -> show/hide drum pane"

I'm with cparmalee on just showing MIDI tracks in the PRV view-but-as chuckebaby and soens point out, they like having audio tracks in the PRV. This change may help both camps.
 
I'd find it help full to be able to have a choice such as: "Show All" and "Show MIDI Only". As it is now, to just show MIDI tracks one would have to go through all the tracks and select then use the filter to just show MIDI (or audio for that matter.)
 
Another problem for me is that everything I've Archived in the Track View- the individual tracks or tracks in  a folder, is listed as an individual track in the PRV track window. As many do, to reduce clutter in the Track View  you'd use the Track Manager to hide these Archived folders/tracks.But hiding archived tracks or folders does not hide any archived tracks in the PRV Track View. It shows every track active or Archived!
 
Lastly, there is no folder hierarchy in the PRV TV-only tracks. As it is now, if I pick a track that's in the PRV TV, the corresponding track in the main TV may not be seen. It can be buried in a collapsed folder, or an an Archived folder. So now I have to start opening folders to find that track.....this does not work. 
 
Michael
 
 
 
I'd like to see any tracks or folders Archived in the Track View hidden in the PRV TV also. 
 

The filter function isn't so intuitive. The filter button on each track has a bad tooltip.  It says "Record".  That button was probably copied from elsewhere. Fixing that will make the feature more intuitive.

WallyG

rogeriodec
About my question 3: "How to display multiple controllers? The option is inaccessible", any help?

Clicking on "View/Show Multiple Lanes" in the PRV works for me, unless I'm misunderstanding your question. I can display one controller lane or by selecting show multiple lanes, I can display any or all of the controller lanes that I desire.
 
Walt 

Oh, boy, it was there all the time... 
Thank you Walt.
However there are still several problems that hamper the workflow, as I have tested and also I have seen complaints in the forum.
In addition to several bugs.
I hope this is corrected soon.

cyberzip
Hm, you don't find it messy or disturbing to see all tracks in the track pane to the right? Or hard to pick the right track from that huge unfiltered list (that weirdly also includes audio)? Or find it inconvenient that the filter stays put when opening the PRV again... at least I rarely edit the same tracks in a row.

I couldn't use PRV AT ALL before if I was using MIDI files brought over from Finale or BIAB because they typically had 4 or 5 controllers per track.  That was practically impossible with a single track and multi-track PRV was out of the question.
 
The new IU has some problems that I would like to see cleaned up, such as you mentioned. These all strike me as very, very simple clean-up items that should be corrected in April.
 
You mentioned some persistence issues with the PRV. I have some general complaints about persistence. In particular if I have moved windows to separate monitors, that is all lost every time I start Sonar. I could live with that, but the "track manager" selections are not persistent either, and there is really no excuse for that.  I never need to see the Metronome fader or the rightmost fader that corresponds to the audio interface.  It is a real PITA to have to go back through all of this every time I start Sonar.  That stuff should be saved with the project.
 
I am just finishing a little project that I started on Friday after updating to 2007-03. It is a song I wanted to do anyway and this gave me a chance to practice with the new UI. This integrates MIDI tracks from Finale (scanned from manuscript) and tracks from BIAB, plus some MIDI I have entered directly into SONAR and some WAV files. Basically a little of everything.  I found the PRV very usable despite the various issues that have been mentioned.

WallyG
I can display any or all of the controller lanes that I desire.
 Walt

Interesting.
Does this mean that if there are 4 controller lanes you can just choose to see only the 2 that you want to see and the other 2 are hidden?

WallyG

Steve_Karl

WallyG
I can display any or all of the controller lanes that I desire.
 Walt

Interesting.
Does this mean that if there are 4 controller lanes you can just choose to see only the 2 that you want to see and the other 2 are hidden?

Yes Steve. In fact this is how I managed the controller lanes before this update. Say you have 4 controller lanes that have data on them and you want to work on 2 of them. Click on the minus sign of the 2 lanes you want to close. You now have the 2 lanes left that you want to work on. If you want to bring back the other two lanes, click on the + sign on the bottom left and type which lane(s) you desire to add. The data will still be on the lane.
 
The previous implementation of the controller lanes worked a little better. If you closed lanes by clicking on the - sign, and then wanted to bring it back, you could click on the + sign on any lane and choose from a list of active controller lanes that have data on them. (The lanes that were closed were in bold letters).
 
I think this area of the PRV could be improved, by adding a filter just like the track pane implementation. That way you easily filter in controller lanes that you want displayed.
 
Anyone from Cakewalk reading this thread....
Walt
 
 

You can still display multiple controller lanes. You will find the option under View>Show Multiple lanes.
Then you can click the + sign to add another lane.
If you want to see only one lane turn the option off again and then you have one lane you can select the various controllers that you want to edit.
 
I'm not sure why the option under controllers to display multiple controllers is greyed out. Perhaps is should be removed completely.