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Quick Question for Omnisphere Users

I'm re-installing everything on my new DAW, which means running around trying to find installation disks and backups of downloaded software. Plus the joy of re-visiting every obtuse authorization scheme each vendor imposes (some plugins may just not make it onto the new DAW at all, too much trouble -  yeh, I'm talking to you, Waves).
 
A big one remaining is Omnisphere, but I can't find the installation disks and I don't remember if it was a boxed product or a download. Do they even sell it as a download? I'm just trying to narrow down what I'm looking for in the closet, a home-made backup of a download or a boxed set.


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 12:45:54 (permalink)
    I hated it when I got my new DAW, all those softsynth installations to contend with. I have omnisphere and it comes on several DVD disks and was never released as a download.
     
    Please don't take this wrong way but one tip I invested in a small server and copied all my softsynth installations to that unit. I then set up a text file and recorded all the soft synth serials into this one document, which I also backed up to the cloud. Although still painful installing all the stuff it did make it a tad less painful.
     

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 12:53:24 (permalink)
    Have fun with your new rig.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 13:48:41 (permalink)
    Yeh, I have most of my stuff backed up to an external USB drive, which has helped a lot. But not Omnisphere. I recall that it was pretty big, which is probably why I didn't copy it.
     
    So it's back to the closet to continue my hunt...wonder what other lost goodies I'll find in there. I've already found a string-less Mandola I bought in Spain in 1971, I'm hoping the neck isn't warped too badly. It'll be a wild guess as to what string gauges to put on it. 
     
    New O/S is 8.1. I am running XP-32 in a virtual machine, but that's for legacy dev tools, not SONAR. For DAW-ing I'm trying to go 64-bit only for most stuff, to keep the installation simple (not because of Freddie's assertion that 64-bit plugins sound better). But that means re-downloading some plugins, which unfortunately is not an option for some older stuff. I may be out of luck with Ozone 4, for example. 


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 14:31:41 (permalink)
    I just checked and all I have is an old Atmosphere box...
     
    After looking inside I do see the Omnisphere 6 DVD disks, install manual, and upgrade paperwork from Spectrasonics.
    After that initial install everything else (updates) has been downloads.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 15:38:59 (permalink)
    I found it. It wasn't a box, which I'd long ago tossed away, saving only the envelope the disks came in. A plain white envelope that doesn't say Omnisphere on it. Got my marker out and wrote "Omnisphere" in big letters for the next time.
     
    Another question...these installation disks predate the 64-bit version, which came along in a subsequent update. Anyone know if it's OK to uninstall the 32-bit version after updating, or will the uninstall trash my libraries too?


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 16:07:47 (permalink)
    I just renamed the 32bit plugins I didn't delete or uninstall them.
     
    make sure you check your spectrasonics account and get all the library / update / patch files and install them in the correct order.  kind of a pain but it's like that with a lot of older installs that have been patched/updated.
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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 17:02:04 (permalink)
    I'm sure you all don't need a suggestion, but I keep all my DAW software in a big plastic box. It's a mess but I know where everything is.


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 17:56:41 (permalink)
    I manually delete every 32bit .dll on my X64 system. x64 plugins work fine..
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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 18:24:29 (permalink)
    Yup...it's just a plain white envelope...I guess they should just send it to you in a brown paper sack. You'd think for the price you would at least get a nice box with a multi DVD booklet thingy. I did the same thing...took a sharpie and wrote OMNISPHERE on it. Sheesh.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 20:19:59 (permalink)
    Jeez, what a royal PIA this whole exercise is turning into! Everybody wants passwords I've long forgotten, all of which I thought I'd written down somewhere but apparently there are some I didn't.
     
    Adobe tells me I can't run Audition without authorizing it but they don't authorize EOL'd software. They'll give me a version that doesn't require authorization but they want a password, too. That I never wrote down. They sent me an email but I can't get email on this computer yet because I forgot my stinkin' email password! And apparently didn't write that one down, either.
     
    Superior Drummer wouldn't work because the install disks installed the 32-bit version and hid the 64-bit version in an obscure place - never asked where I wanted it to go. D16 Group wants a long-forgotten password. Basically every plugin vendor I ever bought stuff from wants a frickin' password. 
     
    What's embarrassing about all this is that I thought I had been taking diligent notes all these years, writing everything down in one file and putting all the disks in a shoebox. 
     
    I did get Omnisphere running, though.


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 20:21:51 (permalink)
    U need iLok :). - Diablo advocatus
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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 20:47:21 (permalink)
    Ok - time to REALLY REALY REALLY admit it. You don't own anything - you just pay for it, as if you do - Nice job SillyCloned Valley.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 21:29:02 (permalink)
    Acronis, etc for the future?  Might save your behind should your new DAW take a "vacation" as well.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/12 22:04:45 (permalink)
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    U need iLok :). - Diablo advocatus


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 05:40:11 (permalink)
    I finally wound up using iLok though I'd been avoiding it. It's doesn't appear to be as bad as it has as reputations for, I've had no problems other than the $40 'tax' for the key itself.

    On passwords - I've filled out so many 'lost' password forms that I broke down and downloaded a password manager. I'm using KeePass, which is available on SourceForge. It's quite a nice place to store all your password and associated web data.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 06:47:16 (permalink)
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    On passwords - I've filled out so many 'lost' password forms that I broke down and downloaded a password manager. I'm using KeePass, which is available on SourceForge. It's quite a nice place to store all your password and associated web data.



    Ditto on KeePass. Mine's on a NAS so all the computers in the house can use it. There's a portable version that can run on a thumb drive to accomplish the same thing.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 11:00:16 (permalink)
    But you still have to remember to update the database, whatever form it may be in. 
     
    I have a Word document (encrypted - and password-protected, of course) that I keep everything in: passwords, auth codes, account numbers. I started this file in the 70's on an Apple ][ and have been carrying it forward all these years. I routinely replicate it to every computer in the office and house.
     
    But if I neglect to put something in it, the scheme fails.
     
    Today I have a new problem...I cannot get into the BIOS on this new computer. It boots so fast that even holding down or rapidly pressing the Del key doesn't get me in. Windows 8.1 has a way to force booting into the BIOS on a restart, but my BIOS doesn't support it. My next step is to unplug the boot drive and thus force it to open the BIOS.
     
    It's been just one damn thing after another...
     
    On the positive side, Omnisphere works really well with the extra RAM and faster CPU. As does Superior Drummer and Kontakt. I can finally use the OTS Rickenbacker library as it was intended, with all 24 round-robins enabled. I can now have multiple sampled instruments loaded at once without freezing each one individually. I could even run Diva now, if I could afford it.


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 11:11:14 (permalink)
    I have found a good way of storing installation DVD is in a ring binder using plastic A4 pouches that hold 6 DVDs. I also print any relevant emails and receipts a place them next to the right pouch.

    A lot of stuff is also on an external hard drive for fast re installation but I like to burn downloads to DVD as well.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 11:19:35 (permalink)
    I think I'm going to do just that, GB. Plus I've offered a paying job to my budding computer guru grandson to catalog all the disks and put them into a spreadsheet for me. I'll show him just how tedious computers can be, and maybe he'll re-think his career objectives. He's 13, so there's still time for him to become a brain surgeon instead.


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 13:00:51 (permalink)
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    Today I have a new problem...I cannot get into the BIOS on this new computer. It boots so fast that even holding down or rapidly pressing the Del key doesn't get me in. Windows 8.1 has a way to force booting into the BIOS on a restart, but my BIOS doesn't support it. My next step is to unplug the boot drive and thus force it to open the BIOS.

    You're sure it's the Del key? My newest machine uses F1 or F2 (forgot which). While i was booting the screen flashed by so fast I had to stare at the screen and boot several times to read 'Press Fx for bios'.

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 13:38:30 (permalink)
    This may sound silly but I have actually tried to take a video of the boot process, then taken the video and watched it frame by frame to see if I captured the magic screen shot containing the bios key...
     
    Sometimes I was lucky first time other times not...

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 14:09:37 (permalink)
    Can you try a VariAC*




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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 14:43:44 (permalink)
    LOL, I actually considered videoing the boot screen so I could see what it says. I was sure it was Del to open the BIOS because I'd successfully done it a time or two before, when I first set it up.
     
    Turned out to be the USB keyboard. Apparently the USB port was not being initialized fast enough. I dug out an old broken keyboard that had a PS/2 connector and that worked. So now my virtualization features are enabled in the BIOS and VirtualBox is once again working and I have XP installed there and it works just great. Thanks again to Bill for suggesting that!
     
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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 14:45:57 (permalink)
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    This may sound silly but I have actually tried to take a video of the boot process, then taken the video and watched it frame by frame to see if I captured the magic screen shot containing the bios key...
     
    Sometimes I was lucky first time other times not...

    That doesn't sound silly. Wish I had though of that then... Come to think of it, I wonder if that screen would stay up while a CD in the drive is spinning up and it's deciding whether it's bootable..

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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 15:40:07 (permalink)
    I even tried disconnecting the boot drive, hoping that would force it into the setup, but it didn't. It just hung on a prompt telling me to insert a bootable disk and press Enter. That's dumb. What if the boot disk was bad? I'd have no way to change the boot sequence.
     
    It's about as sensible as the old "no keyboard connected, press any key to continue" message we used to see. You'd think BIOS's would have made more progress in the last 30 years.
     
    Here's a trick I've used many times: when at the grocery store trying to read 4-point ingredient listings on products, I often take a photo so I can zoom it. I have to avoid high fructose corn syrup, so I read a lot of labels. Try to find a brand of barbecue sauce that doesn't have it. All because of government price-fixing on sugar to guarantee our domestic sugar industry makes a consistent profit. That's why everything uses HFCS, which in turn is a big part of the reason for the epidemic of childhood obesity in this country. And don't get me started on peanut policies...I'd have to ban myself for talking politics.


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 16:27:12 (permalink)
    I usually on a cold boot press <F4> or <F11> or <F12> and can get into BIOS.  I've never hit the DEL key and gotten in my BIOS.  Guess it depends on the computer. 
     
     
    and I just use my Phone camera as a magnifying glass. 
     
    Do you actually take a picture of the label?  you must have a bunch of pictures of various labels you have forgotten to delete in your phone.
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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 19:39:32 (permalink)
    Depends on the BIOS vendor which key you press to enter the setup. I've seen F2, F1, F10 and ESCape used.
     
    And yes, I would indeed have a lot of useless photos on my phone if I didn't routinely delete them all. Who knows how many pictures I've taken that accidentally included conclusive proof of alien visitation in the background?
     


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    Re: Quick Question for Omnisphere Users 2014/11/13 19:43:15 (permalink)
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    I have to avoid high fructose corn syrup, so I read a lot of labels. Try to find a brand of barbecue sauce that doesn't have it.



    Going OT, but ...
     
    Got a Trader Joe near you?  Their BBQ sauce does not have crap in it (nor does their ketchup).  Any health food store will also stock non-crap brands.  There are a number of DIY recipes easily found on the web, if there are no commercially available options close to you.
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