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2015/04/16 21:24:48 (permalink)

Re-Name effects

Is there any way to rename effects? 
 
I love how all of UAD's plugins show up with UAD in the beginning of the name.   My Waves plugins are ALL OVER THE PLACE when listed in the effects layout.  Is there any way that you guys know of to rename my Waves plugins with.... lets say ..... the word ( waves ) in the name of the effect?
 
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    scook
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 21:37:04 (permalink)
    Use a custom plug-in layout or rename the plug-ins using the plug-in properties dialog. The problem with renaming plug-ins using the properties dialog is the custom names will be lost anytime a VST reset is performed.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 21:48:59 (permalink)
    When I try to rename my FabFilter plugins, the name is lost immediately after clicking Okay. Renaming in the layout works, but the FX Bin always shows the full name. Minor thing, but still a bummer.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 21:50:51 (permalink)
    Yes, a custom layout will only change the name of the plug-in in the layout.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 21:56:16 (permalink)
    My understanding was that changing the name in the properties under VST configuration should change the name displayed in the FX bin. Not so?
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 21:59:41 (permalink)
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    My understanding was that changing the name in the properties under VST configuration should change the name displayed in the FX bin. Not so?

    The name immediately reverts back when I change the name of any effect pluggin.  Its not sticking.
     
    So my answer would be "not so".
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:02:00 (permalink)
    I mean theoretically that should change the name in the fx bin, if the dialog would accept the changes.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:02:01 (permalink)
    I mean theoretically that should change the name in the fx bin, if the dialog would accept the changes.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:03:55 (permalink)
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    I mean theoretically that should change the name in the fx bin, if the dialog would accept the changes.

    Oh yes, I believe theoretically the name should change and stay changed.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:05:45 (permalink)
    I sent an email to support earlier so I'll report back if I hear anything.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:07:31 (permalink)
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    I sent an email to support earlier so I'll report back if I hear anything.

    Fantastic, Thanks.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:08:43 (permalink)
    This would mark the first ever bug that I have found since cakewalk 1. lol
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:12:05 (permalink)
    I have not bothered renaming plug-ins in years. It appears to work for VST2 but not for VST3 at least for the plug-in I tested, Timeless 2.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:14:23 (permalink)
    I'm trying to rename my effects plugins.  I can't rename those.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:15:14 (permalink)
    Hmm...yeah I'm using the VST3 plugins as well.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:22:10 (permalink)
    I may have spoken too soon. Do you have both the VST2 and VST3 versions installed?
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:24:49 (permalink)
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    I may have spoken too soon. Do you have both the VST2 and VST3 versions installed?


    VST2 and VST3 effects?   Do you mean the same VST effect installed in both VST2 and VST3 at the same time? 
     
    I don't think so but I can check. 
     
    Did you find something?
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:25:55 (permalink)
    Yes
    Yes
    Maybe
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 22:54:47 (permalink)
    I only installed the VST3 versions for FabFilter.  
    post edited by streckfus - 2015/04/16 23:03:24
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 23:16:45 (permalink)
    Hi
     
    You need to go to utilities >plug in properties
    >create new folder and rename it waves .
     
    then select the VST Audio Effects (VST) under plugin in Categories and from the registered plugins select the waves vsts (((see file names as your clicking on each vst it will tell you if its a wave vst ))) and press the add plugin to add them to the waves folder you created ((( Just make sure before you click add plugin that the WAVES folder you created is selected >Highlighted< and the plugin your going to add is selected also > then hit add plug in ))) . Do this for all the different vsts and you should have a list at the end of selecting all you vst fx I>E
    Waves
    Vst 3
    Camel Audio
    Antares
    and so on
     
    then you click the save button on top right of plug in manager box and remember where you save to .
     
    then go to your track inside sonar and right click >Insert audio fx
     
    then right up the to select plug in layouts
     
    then select the file name you just saved and WALLAAHHH you have organized all of you fx and the mess is gone
     
    ALL THE BEST
    Oh yeah do this for your instruments also :)
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 23:19:49 (permalink)
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    I only installed the VST3 versions for FabFilter.  


    Yes, I am past that point. It is slow going because I have to toggle between a bunch of screens and it takes a long time for my reset to complete. There is a problem with VST3 renaming. I have not figured out exactly what is going on.
     
    Been able to change some VST3 names by double-clicking on the plug-in in the Plug-in Manager, entering a friendly name then open the new plug-in name properties and save it away. Once the name is changed it does not want to change again. That is the extent of my research so far.
     
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 23:42:10 (permalink)
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    Been able to change some VST3 names by double-clicking on the plug-in in the Plug-in Manager, entering a friendly name then open the new plug-in name properties and save it away. Once the name is changed it does not want to change again. That is the extent of my research so far.

     
    I followed those same steps (double-clicking the plugin from the manager) and this time the rename took, at least as far as the browser window was concerned.  I placed the newly named plugins in my layout, saved it, then inserted them into an FX bin on a track, and the name defaulted back to the original.  I went back into the plugin manager and they had reverted back to their original names.
     
    I also tried renaming the actual .vst3 file name in my scan path just to see what would happen, and that too was a no-go.  Couldn't remove "FabFilter" from the file name.  Which is kinda funny since the OP wants to see the company name and I don't. :)
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/16 23:57:14 (permalink)
    I have not tried it but renaming the dll may work if you change the Cakewalk ini variable VSTPluginNameFormat to use the dll name
     
    There appears to be something odd going on with renaming VST3 plug-ins. I will make some more time tomorrow to look at it (getting late here). FWIW, the names are stored in the VST inventory in the registry and that is why using the plug-in manager to rename plug-ins is lost when a VST reset happens. It is possible to rename the plug-ins directly in the registry bypassing all the Cakewalk tools.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/17 00:26:28 (permalink)
    There are 6 .ini files, two for each version of Sonar (X2 Producer, X3 Producer, Platinum).  One in the hidden AppData\Roaming directory and another in the ProgramData\Cakewalk directory.  I assume both files for Platinum would need to be changed?  When I go to the File>Initialization File through Preferences there's nothing there.
     
    Getting late here too so I'll probably save it for tomorrow, but thanks for the heads up.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/17 00:57:44 (permalink)
    The programData files are the master files. I would not change those. They are used to revert to factory settings. The files is AppData are the user files read by SONAR. There is no need to work at the OS level, the front end for Cakewalk.ini is Preferenences > File > Initialization File. To see the "Initialization File"  option make sure the Advanced radio button is selected at the bottom of the Preferences dialog.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/17 01:06:19 (permalink)
    Yep, I went through Sonar first and went to the initialization file there, but there wasn't any content in that window.

    Probably doesn't matter though because I renamed all VST and dll files, rescanned, and the default names came back, I'm guessing because of what you said about the registry.

    So I just switched the names back to normal. Not a huge deal since I typically put those plugins in a particular order anyway, it would just be nice to clean things up a bit.

    Who knows, maybe it's a glitch that'll get worked out in the next update in a couple weeks!
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/17 01:15:57 (permalink)
    The Cakewalk.ini is empty by default. Add the VSTPluginNameFormat variable and set the value 1. Unless this is done Cakewalk will not use the dll name for the plug-in. It uses the VST name, a variable inside the plug-in.
     
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/17 07:23:45 (permalink)
    Because you have waves plugins select 2 as the variable for VSTPluginNameFormat=2 at least I think it'is. Not at my PC at the moment.

    One of the options adds the Waves she'll dll name to the back of the plugin name.

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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/17 12:29:01 (permalink)
    Heard back from tech support and they weren't able to replicate the FX Bin/Renaming issue with FabFilter plugins on their side of things.  I did specify that I was using VST3 plugins for Pro-Q 2, Pro-C and Pro-DS and also directed them to this thread to demonstrate that I'm not the only one who's running into issues trying to rename the plugins through the VST Configuration/Properties dialog.
     
    Thanks for the clarification on the .ini setup.  I tried renaming the FabFilter .dll and .vst files, but when I brought them into an FX bin I got an error message and the plugin wouldn't open.  So it looks like the .ini workaround won't do anything since both the VST and DLL files have the same names with FabFilter listed first.
     
    Thanks for the feedback on this, and sorry to the OP for sort of hijacking this thread.
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    Re: Re-Name effects 2015/04/17 14:25:14 (permalink)
    i just wish there was a way that FX names in the FX Bins can use the name I give it in my custom Plugin-In Layout over the actual VST registered name, as I like my names better.  
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