Really dumb and embarrassing signal routing question...

I think I'm going nuts... Should be the simplest thing in the world in Ipswitch Update 1, I've done it before I'm sure..?
 
I'm trying to route audio into a softsynth sampler (Geist). Geist does include a plugin called "splitter" which makes it easy, but want to do it from Sonar. So in effect this could be for any sampler.


Here are my steps....
 
1) From browser add Geist soft synth.
2) Add audio track.
3) Drag in some looping sample into audio track and loop it.
4) Route output of audio track to Geist sampler.
5) Configure Geist to receive audio signal source
6) Play in Sonar.
7) Record sample in Geist sampler.
 
I'm stuck on step 4!
 

 
 
Cheers...

OK this is weird. I had tried this before and it didn't work now it does.
That is at step 4 you must have the Geist sampler in the FX bin of the audio track playing. Now it works. There's some hiccup here and I don't know what it is... but it works for the moment..
 
Which is leading me to another question (show you out of touch I can be).
 
These steps...
 
1) New blank project
2) In the browser add a synth. In the insert soft synth options make sure everything is unticked, so no tracks are created.
3) Create an empty audio track.
 
So I know I can route the output of the soft synth into the input of that audio track.
Instead though, how can I get that synth into the FX bin of the track? I know there are other methods, but I'm particularly looking at what to do after these steps. Cheers.

OK think I've found a bug I'll create a new thread to avoid confusion!

gustabo
Don't forget to update all your drivers, do a vst reset and then a vst rescan...

Hoho once again. 

I wish that Splat character would go away...

Couple of thoughts:
 
I know some synth functions (notably MIDI Out) will not work if there's no audio track receiving the synth's audio output (either as input, or via th FX bin). That could be why you couldn't get Geist's sampler to work until you put it in an FX bin. 
 
You can't insert a synth in the rack and then route its output to an FX bin. You insert it in the FX bin as you would any other VST, and then it automatically has a presence in the rack.

I don't think you can route audio into Geist without using the Splitter plugin. It really is quite simple, you just insert the Splitter on the track that you want to sample and then select the Splitter as the input in the Geist sampler. 

I have not used Geist so not fully clear what the problem is here. Most synths do not have an audio input. Does Geist have one?
Any synths inserted into the rack are considered "sources" so there is no audio input to them.
Inserted into a bin they do have track data streamed to them (assuming the synth has an input)

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I have not used Geist so not fully clear what the problem is here. Most synths do not have an audio input. Does Geist have one?
Any synths inserted into the rack are considered "sources" so there is no audio input to them.
Inserted into a bin they do have track data streamed to them (assuming the synth has an input)

Geist has an input (it has a record sampler) and it works most of the time without splitter plugin . I need to supply better steps for me to nail this issue.
The only clear problem is post #8 right now. Cheers.

Yes any secondary inputs will show up as a sidechain input that you can route tracks to.
So what is the problem here in this case - you want to send to the main input?
 
The main input is not useful for synths in the rack since there is no way to send track data to it.
If you need to send track data to the main input, then the  synth should be patched as a "transformer" inside an fx bin. You can still use it as a synth by sending MIDI to it.
 

So why do you want to use the synth as a source in the rack in this scenario -Is it because you still want to use multiple outputs from the synth?