ORIGINAL: JTANK

All this heated talk made me go get REAPER.

It might be good some day. But for what I do, manual entry of MIDI notes one at a time with the mouse, REAPER doesn't cut it.

Likewise for me. Am I missing something in Reaper? The "piano roll" (which seems to be the only way to do it in Reaper -- I sort of prefer entering notes in staff view in SONAR) seems to be so basic I couldn't possibly get excited about it based on what it is today. Or have I failed my "Reaper MIDI without a manual" test?

ORIGINAL: immprod

Hehe. As a last comment; since the founder of Cakewalk reply, I think we can call Reaper a "threat". Reaper is becoming ver. 1 now and then its on its own. We'll just wait and see. Both Sonar and Reaper are cool though...:)

Sigh.

People live in very small worlds.

So what happens if he gets bored of coding Reaper or tired of whinging users LOL? If the dude has all that dough I'd be worried about attention deficit di$order like a yacht or something. Peace.

If he gives up on further development, will he become the "Grim Reaper"?

Or has someone else already said that?

ORIGINAL: glazfolk

ORIGINAL: Rednroll

ORIGINAL: glazfolk

ORIGINAL: sambasevam
the only downside to reaper is...

Well the downside for me is that whenever I try to insert a plug-in while it's playing it crashes the program and produces a goddam awful noise. Sorry, but goodbye and good night on this one!

Geoff

I'm sure you did the same thing with Sonar huh? Ran across one bug within your workflow and said that's enough for me......right. I guess if I did that I'ld still be editing on 2" tape.

Thanks for the open mindedness, I'm sure Sonar works flawlessly and has never crashed on you.

Yes, there have been occasion when Sonar has crashed on me, but they are few and far between. No it is not flawless but on my DAW by and large it is very stable. If it wasn't, I would have abandoned it and changed to something else.

With Reaper on the other hand, it crashes every time I insert a plug-in, any plug-in, while it is playing. Not on the odd occasion, every time. For me, this renders the product unusable. You seem to be blaming me for having this experience, which I find rather strange. Quite possibly I am the only person in the world this happens to. But that doesn't help me.

If I understand it correctly, its bussing, by the way, also appears to let me create a feedback loop, which I find also strange, though I'm not 100% sure that that was the problem - it might have been some other bug.

You posted some information about Reaper for which I thank you. I did try it with an open mind, and have posted the result. Your sracasm really isn't necessary and doesn't do you justice.

I'd be quite happy to try Reaper again some time in the future, but for me, this behaviour on my DAW isn't just "ome bug in my workflow." It renders the product unusable.

Best wishes,
Geoff

Wow!! Do people ever conjuer up a lot in this forum from a few sentences. Geoff, I was just pointing out your closed minded approach. That is all....that's what I stated...I didn't suggest anything more than that. I'm actually surprised I would even have to explain something that I didn't say. If there's a problem with software that I'm using, then I appreciate ANY information of where there are problems and hope they get addressed and fixed. Just like I hope one day Cakewalk will get their fader grouping problem fixed in Sonar, so that it works properly. I've only seen that one since Sonar v4.0, so maybe there are stilll hopes for a Sonar 6 release fix huh?

Hey folks,

Out of respect for Cakewalk, including all it's employees (not to mention the founder and CEO, who actually posted to this thread ...gulp!), how 'bout we all just stop posting to this thread, and take this discussion to the Reaper forum, or elsewhere? Seems to me Cakewalk has been more than fair to leave this thread open and accessible, and worthy of our respect.

Thanks.

-mr moon

prolly a good idea.

as far as midi features, if you look at what is happening for 1.0 -- you will see some of the midi features are being held off for version 1.

To answer the original poster's question, I don't think SONAR needs to fear the Reaper.
Sonar is a very mature and refined audio host app with a lot, of years of development behind it. There is already a bonafide x64 version too. Once SONAR 6 is formally announced, in a few weeks, we will all be talking about it and all the new features, for months to come and not Reaper, I can guarantee you that.
OTOH, Reaper is a novel concept and I think it will find it's niche and hopefully, over the years mature, into it's own identity and user base. I think initially, it's niche market will be those users who are looking for a portable DAW that is affordable, non-CP intrusive, incredibly efficient with a small self-contained footprint that you can use within minutes, if not seconds, of installing it. For the ulitmate in portability, install it on your USB thumbdrive and put it on your keychain. Plug it into any computer with a USB port and within minutes, if not seconds, you could be recording or mixing. You never even have to install it on a computer, as it will run from any portable drive. For remote recording it should be ideal.

So enough, of Reaper, when are we going to get the juicy details, on SONAR 6!

How much will the reasonable cost be?

ORIGINAL: OldGeezer

You can just right-click on the plugin name and choose to float the window...?

I've tried that too. 1). Too much work. 2). Once you close it, to open it, you have to open the VST window, then select float the window again. 1).

Really, energy-xt is the only sequencer _I_ have seen so far that handles VST viewing. It has tabs on the top screen for VSTs(or anything for that matter) so you get the ENTIRE screen space for just one vst! You can tab how many ever vsts you want! Now, THATs revolutionary. :)

While I agree that if you need the subset of features that reaper provides, you may be OK, my original point is still correct. The devil is in that last 20% that will bring it up to the level that the rest of teh DAWs are at.

A professional DAW needs to be extremely proficient at

a) Audio
b) Midi (driving hardware synths)
c) Software Synths

Right now reaper appears to be quite good at A, sorely lacking in B&C (again, compared to competition, and I understand how young the product is). Personally, I couldn't begin to think about switching over, as i'd lose tons of features I"m used to having.

I'm not putting the product down at all, once it matures (which will take years :) ) it may be a contender.

My point is simply that the only silly talk in this thread is that reaper at 2 months old is in the same league as Sonar.

If reaper is actually sufficient for your recording needs, then you've potentially bought software above and beyond what you actually needed, in which case, you *may* be considered silly also

-Eric

ORIGINAL: pipelineaudio

ORIGINAL: Sonifferous

Reaper seems light years away from being any threat to any of the major DAWs.

This reminds me of when Traction came out and everyone thought *that* was going to be the DAW killer, same with Orion, Live, and any of the other up-and-coming apps.

Since he was able to write his DAW from scratch, he intelligently took alot of Sonars core routing features and added them initially to his program, which of course, is the major upside to starting later, learning from other peoples mistakes, and also implementing other peoples ideas immediately.

The problem is that developing software does not follow a linear timeline/graph over time. As the program becomes more complex, the time it takes to add features while maintaining backwards compatibility becomes exponential in nature. While I have no doubt reaper will become 80% of what the major DAWs are rather quickly, thats not a big deal, the devil is in that last 20%.

That said, I"m def keeping an eye on this, in 4-5 years this looks like it could def be a contender.

This is just silly-talk

While looking for the new daw to replace Vegas, many of us contended that without mouse wheel zoom, sonar was just too slow to use in front of a customer.

But many saw beyond that and did just fine with sonar, the slower editing was probably made up for in some way by some of Sonar's other features

But to suggest reaper isnt useable or a contender, not just now, but for the last two months (half of its existence) is just silly talk

It FLIES as an editor and its routing allows stuff that I thought I had to give up when I left the hardware world years ago

ORIGINAL: Sid Viscous

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3 updates per day? Sounds like a nightmare of problems.

Yeah, I like the one update and a new version model alot better.

ouch!

ORIGINAL: kb420

I find it very interesting which threads Cakewalk staff choose to comment on.


Very interesting indeed!!!!

I'm not sure what the implication here is...

I'm not sure what the implication here is...

No offense but click here for an example. Not one response from the synth gurus that actually work for the bakers. Heck we even got new patches before a bug is fixed.

have a good one
3Eo

ORIGINAL: Greg Hendershott [Cakewalk]
And to Justin, if you're lurking: Look what 20 years of this business does to a guy's brain. Give it up now, man, while you still have time.

:-)

Too late, my brain (and personal life as well) has deteriorated too far already!

Glad to see someone with a sense of humor in this business, a lot of other people I've talked to have had their heads up their asses..

Cheers,

Justin

Careful, John, you'll be told you've got a "closed mind."
Best.
Geoff

PS Haven't forgotten your other question will email ... soonish!