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Reason 9.5 with vst support
I have reason 8 and I hardly use that. Maybe I am to lazy too learn a new work flow and also due to the lack of vst support. Well now things might change. I am curious at what Splat and reason user think?
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 10:11:50
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Wow! I never saw this coming! This changes the game for the Props. I still miss Reason as a synth rack thing and probably won't get involved. But I know some Reason users who will be VERY happy with this
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 12:17:05
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 13:49:32
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☄ Helpfulby Brando 2017/04/28 19:58:01
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Wow! I never saw this coming! This changes the game for the Props. I still miss Reason as a synth rack thing and probably won't get involved. But I know some Reason users who will be VERY happy with this
glad I'm not the only one.. I use it as a rack and sketchpad, but they focus on DAW usage, which is a pity. as for vst support.. sure 2.4 support.. bet vst3 support is reason 10.. they got nagged for it for YEARS, I asked them for 2 default songs when starting (1 rewired / 1 normal) and they never implemented it. they release really stable code, and if you ain't got high end sound cards etc. it's more sympathetic to that than other things were. I saw reason from v1 alpha at work (when m-audio came into show it off).. and thats going back to feb/march 2000. I skipped the update , when 8 came out.. I did buy it for v9.. I think they realise they have to want users to justify the update cost, like all other pro audio makers.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 15:24:32
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 16:01:32
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Hmmmmm! The only reason (ha!) that I never even bothered to demo Reason was for the lack of VST support.
This could be huge!
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 17:14:31
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musichoo
I have reason 8 and I hardly use that...
Same here. Now and then it's fun and distracting to get in there and patch stuff, but ultimately the instruments/FX show their limitations, and I go back to making music with Sonar (and my gazillion VSTs). Now I'm thinking I need to upgrade to v9. First, because 9.5 will be a free update -- but also because it may transpire that v9 becomes known as the last stable version of Reason...
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 17:17:36
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I'm wondering if Reason Essentials will provide VST support? It currently offers unlimited instrument tracks.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
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☄ Helpfulby tparker24 2017/04/29 01:54:55
This is very interesting news. My wife has been using Reason for about 10 years, and she is very pleased that she will now be able to use her Korg M1 and Wavestation VST's from within Reason. (Up until now, she had been playing these VST's standalone in realtime.) The Reason platform has been very stable and trouble-free for her.
I have been a Sonar user since the '80's, and I must admit that this development makes Reason seem like an attractive alternative to Sonar for me. The foibles that are often introduced with the well-meaning Monthly Sonar upgrades reveal that the regression test effort for many releases is inadequate and/or not thorough. I don't really expect them to be, given this timetable. Also, it has been 1.5 years since I have purchased Rapture Pro, and I am still unable to use it, with Sonar technical support only responding to my initial trouble report about every 6-9 months or so. (They contacted me in January and asked me if I still needed help, to which I replied, "yes! yes! yes!" I have not heard from then since.) I am often afraid to upgrade, and I have not experienced that kind of fear with any other software application, although I admit that Sonar is among the most complex.
Now, I won't expect technical support from Propellerhead, but if my wife's experience is any indication, it will not be required. Every upgrade she has purchased, although not monthly, has been a quality bug-free release. Hopefully that quality will continue when VST support is implemented.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 19:52:08
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Funny thing is Propellerheads said it would never ever happen.
Reason was one of my first programs before I used before [cough]Cubase[/cough] and Sonar. Which was a great way to learn about routing hardware even if it is indeed virtual.
I know the sequencer has improved since I used it however it's one of programs which in the past had it's internal limitations unless you just used it as a Rewire Slave. Which with some DAW caused extra latency issues. Sonar does have it's complications however it can be easy or hard as you want it to be.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 20:52:15
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Anyone who heavily invested in RE-versions of his VST's might be somewhat less happy.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 21:04:50
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they have sorted PDC for vsts and Res too
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 23:48:43
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/04/29 00:35:32
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I'm wondering if Reason Essentials will provide VST support? It currently offers unlimited instrument tracks.
Yes it will.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/28 23:51:44
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ProjectM
Wow! I never saw this coming! This changes the game for the Props. I still miss Reason as a synth rack thing and probably won't get involved. But I know some Reason users who will be VERY happy with this
I doubt it will be a game changer for anyone to drop their other DAWs and jump to Reason. I'm far from thrilled. I liked the proprietary environment. It was the most stable DAW I have. Maybe they should have turned Thor and Maelstrom into VSTs instead.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/04/29 01:48:42
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/04/29 02:05:54
Happy camper here. Already loved the MIDI and Chord apps in Reason 9. Now I'll be able to use Neutron and Ozone. Swede indeed.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/02 06:55:09
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I'm not sure what to think. Prop has had one foot out the door for quite a few years now. With the recent news that they sold, I'm torn between it being a Cakewalk style decision that might save them or this being the last chance to make money from everyone who is excited about the update then close up shop. The past few updates they've done have been very "meh" worthy. The only thing really exciting about the update to 9 was the pitch correction but being that I already have Melodyne, I was less than excited considering how many other major issues Reason has yet to deal with that have been plaguing the program for years.
I'm still burned from buying into 6.5
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/02 23:05:49
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Maybe they will release some of their stuff into VSTs. I love Redrum. Even with VST support I will probably still use Reason "old school".
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/12 23:17:57
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Yes, Essentials will definitely offer VSTs
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/12 23:23:34
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I Absolutely Love Reason. It Allows Your Imagination to Dictate the Technology and Not the Other Way Around.
I Believe the VSTs will be the death nail for all other DAWs, including, um, Platinum...
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/13 05:29:09
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I Absolutely Love Reason. It Allows Your Imagination to Dictate the Technology and Not the Other Way Around.
I Believe the VSTs will be the death nail for all other DAWs, including, um, Platinum...
Best sarcastic post I've read so far. Fanboy alert!
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/13 15:07:38
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The other attraction for Reason, that I haven't seen mentioned, is their SSL 9000-modeled mixing console. I doubt anyone's going to spend $399 just for that, but Reason Essentials has the console and is $69.
Or, if you already own Reason v8 (Like me and Shi-hwei) it's a $129 upgrade to the VST version. Coincidentally I'm also looking at the same price upgrade for Mixbus 32c v4.
Since I plan on sticking with Sonar for MIDI production, it's down to Mixbus or Reason for mixing audio stems. So, the Harrison or SSL 9000 console? Not likely to get both, so I'll be doing the "wait and see" game to find out which one everyone's talking about (in a good way) in six months.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/13 20:02:40
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if you watched the live stream from props the other day , there is a few "gotcha's"
e.g. the synths etc that use midti /audio stuff . I'm guessing things like sugar bytes artillery and a few more things like that.
neutron is another interesting one as it's the the "guess" function.. which well depends on how reason is dealing with the audio and summing perhaps/
you use vst's in that, you can't use them in rewire.. which is a pity, in the sense of they should have a sort of export function to help with that perhaps.
it's a start, but not enough.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/14 01:25:35
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This is mixed news to me.
I like that some good plugins will be available to Reason users.
I hate that it will likely reduce some of the stability that has always been one of the better aspects of Reason.
I liked that Reason forced you to work within the box instead of accumulating a bunch of plugins you never mastered.
i hated that you were not able to use that plugin you already knew inside out.
I have noticed over the years that hardcore reason user tended to have a better mastery over how to use stock plugins and instruments than the average user of other DAWS and their music seemed to sound just as good. Not sure if that speaks to the quality of built-in plug-ins or the value of taking the time to learn to make the most of what you have before going plug-in crazy. I guess part of me feels like they just got rid of what made them unique.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/14 01:33:52
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Plus the user manual for Reason Essentials is 700+ pages, and the full Reason manual is 1100+ pages. I think if I am going to learn another DAW, I will opt for Cubase, LOL! 
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/14 02:28:19
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Reason + vst = pure emotion. Love ittah.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/14 02:42:06
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abacab
I downloaded the Reason 9 trial today. Just had a few questions, and naturally went looking for their forum.
Guess what? They discontinued their forums over two years ago! Yup!
https://www.propellerheads.se/blog/an-end-of-an-era
Uninstalled ... sorry ...
Well, in fairness, that's more a reflection of where they were two years ago. It does say "an end of an era", and suggests they saw the writing on the wall... Which brings us to today. If adding VST support doesn't signal a new era for Reason, I don't know what would.... My guess is the forums will be back online (somewhere) shortly. Where else would be complain about our VSTs crashing Reason?!
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/14 15:51:20
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dubdiscipleI like that some good plugins will be available to Reason users.
I hate that it will likely reduce some of the stability that has always been one of the better aspects of Reason. I've seen this said for years but I still don't understand why this is even an issue. Adding VSTs isn't going to make the software any less stable than it is unless the plugin itself has issues. This is why there is a testing stage of development before a product is released but Prop has always been adamant about using this excuse and thus it caught on to users saying it.
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Re: Reason 9.5 with vst support
2017/05/14 15:53:52
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abacabGuess what? They discontinued their forums over two years ago! Yup! Yup, when 6.5 came out a lot of users felt bamboozled after we purchased and found out the cost of REs, that buying REs didn't also give you the other formats the plugins might have, that 6.5 was pretty bare bones as far as what you got and that they didn't fix half the stuff we were asking to be fixed. There was a lot of outcry about this on their forums and rather than address the issues people were having, they simply shut down their forums.
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